Raf Simons Leaving Christian Dior; Maria Chiuri Rumored In

[Creative]

I thought they just made a brand new dress for her using an old pattern so she wouldn't be wearing the original dress, if they claim they designed it then that's just sad.

Awards shows are coming up and they're gonna have to dress more celebs (though they might just give them old raf designs or vintage Dior)

Sure, but it looked beyond cheap. Would've never guessed it was Dior. And it's even worse when you compare it to the original...

J. Law wore another Dior dress... A very ugly one.

 

[eugenius]

I could be totally, completely wrong about this, but could they possibly be waiting 2 years just so they have time to find the RIGHT candidate? I feel like when one designer leaves, and another one enters, those decisions are always done in haste, and usually with disastrous results. By waiting 2 years, that gives them ample time to find a designer who'll actually stay & make worthwhile clothes again. I'm sure they don't want to run the risk of turning Dior into a neverending cast of characters at the design helm.

But, with the million and one things required to make Christian Dior..Christian Dior..I could totally see super-talented and super-experienced designers like Olivier and Alber saying "Pffft, there's not enough fabric, pattern-cutters, seamstresses, and money in the world for that job."

 

[Benn98]

kudos to Lawrence for her unusual choice though.

I'm sorry, but I can never applaud Jennifer Lawrence for her Dior red carpet looks. Her stylist and the designer, yes, but never her. She doesn't give two hoots about the brand.

It's high time for an update at least, it's been a while. Dior is just too big a house to continue with no concise creative direction for more than a year. The thought of that alone seems preposterous. Perhaps they're holding out for someone who's tied with another house? But who!

 

[tboy34]

Oh I wasn't expecting this. I mean, I knew the Design Team is in charge of Pre-Fall but the next two too? The only possible reasons I can imagine right now is: They'll let Phoebe or Tisci write the final chapter on their respective houses, They'll wait until Alber solves his issues with Lavin/Wang or the collections designed by the Team will be a sort of audition for the job. I have the feeling Olivier is already off the race so I'm not waiting for him to take over anymore. I recall reading somewhere He turned down the offer not once but twice.

Really? He turned down the job twice? That is very interesting to hear.

 

[Deleted member 130879]

Is Theyskens looking to see the fashion world burn? He would be perfect for Dior and he is a teacher, he is used to the stress and expectations. ink:

If he really is out of the race, I'll just have to quit. Really, I can't think of anyone else for the place. Riccardo's soul was stolen by fame-whorism and I don't see that changing. Do people really think he will become a low-profile classy designer at Dior? He will try to mimic Galliano to say the least and that sickens me (as Galliano over the top behaviour did back in the day). And Alber is so outdated... his designs in the last couple of years look all the same.

Is there any other designer out of the fashion circle at the moment? I think Dior needs someone fresh, someone without a "designer job" for the past 3/4 years.

 

[Creative]

Theyskens refused to design for Dior? Now that's VERY weird cause he said in an interview he was waiting for offers... and that he had some collections designed and all.

 

[Lola701]

Is Theyskens looking to see the fashion world burn? He would be perfect for Dior and he is a teacher, he is used to the stress and expectations. ink:

If he really is out of the race, I'll just have to quit. Really, I can't think of anyone else for the place. Riccardo's soul was stolen by fame-whorism and I don't see that changing. Do people really think he will become a low-profile classy designer at Dior? He will try to mimic Galliano to say the least and that sickens me (as Galliano over the top behaviour did back in the day). And Alber is so outdated... his designs in the last couple of years look all the same.

Is there any other designer out of the fashion circle at the moment? I think Dior needs someone fresh, someone without a "designer job" for the past 3/4 years.

Yes Tisci or Elbaz are talented enough to do the job. You talk about Tisci being fame-whorish but Dior is not understated. Dior (in contrast to Chanel) is a bit OTT. They needs someone "grand" to do the job.
They tried with someone low-key but the success of the collections wasn't consistent and the designer himself didn't seemed quite comfortable with the level of attention of his position.

Working at Dior is not like working at Chanel, Givenchy or even Celine where designers have "Carte Blanche".
Dior is Bernard Arnault's baby and today, we have to take a lot of things in consideration. We are not in 1996 anymore....

Talent is not enough.

 

[anlabe32]

Theyskens refused to design for Dior? Now that's VERY weird cause he said in an interview he was waiting for offers... and that he had some collections designed and all.

Indeed. He seems very desperate so I doubt that's true.

 

[Fashionstuff]

Yes Tisci or Elbaz are talented enough to do the job. You talk about Tisci being fame-whorish but Dior is not understated. Dior (in contrast to Chanel) is a bit OTT. They needs someone "grand" to do the job.
They tried with someone low-key but the success of the collections wasn't consistent and the designer himself didn't seemed quite comfortable with the level of attention of his position.

Working at Dior is not like working at Chanel, Givenchy or even Celine where designers have "Carte Blanche".
Dior is Bernard Arnault's baby and today, we have to take a lot of things in consideration. We are not in 1996 anymore....

Talent is not enough.

I hope they wouldn't try to goes the way- try to repeat mega successful Story with the ex-unknown Michele at Gucci. ( Please , not!!!! )
The most Designers for sure wants to have "Carte Blanche". That can be a Problem. More 1 month and we'll see the Dior creations in PFW

 

[IloveDiorHomme]

I am so tired of people expecting big names for Dior. Just put a hardworking inspired young designer please; THEY EXIST.

Nicolas Ghesquiere came out of nowhere at Balenciaga. He did an amazing job. Dior is a big structure but fashion needs new blood.

 

[george5]

Here I found the article. It was a rumor back then but maybe He changed his mind these years (If It was true)...

Olivier Theyskens, Revisited

Oct 14, 2010

Following our post a few days ago (that launched countless uncredited reposts) about the unpredictable trajectory of Olivier Theykens, we've learned a few more shocking rumors.

Remember years ago when Theyskens, at only 25, was interviewing at Givenchy and asked for a salary twice that of McQueen's when he started? (They refused.) Well, he's either a very skilled negotiator or compulsive self-saboteur. We hear that in the last several years he's turned down the job at both Valentino—despite a fortune offered by the Marzotto Group—and Dior. And get this, apparently he turned down Dior not once, but twice. Why? Because, according to conventional wisdom, there is no life after Dior. Many see it as an ailing house and view John Galliano as a protege of Helene Arnault, wife of LVMH chairman and CEO Bernard Arnault. As for Valentino, Theyskens likely refused because what he really wants is the Lanvin gig in 2012 (as we previously theorized) and because the job is in Rome, not Paris. Finally, we've even heard that, just last year, Theyskens declined the job at Oscar de la Renta, where rumors abound that the 78-year-old designer may soon retire.

We think the Belgian's penchant for romantic demi-couture would work brilliantly at any of those labels. But until he settles on one, we'll continue to bring you the twists and turns in the never-ending saga of his unusual career.

hintmag.com

 

[Creative]

What is he waiting for, then? That article sort of changed my mind about him. No Valentino, no Dior... What does he want? I thought fashion CEOs didn't want him and that was the reason he didn't work. Yes to Theory but no to Dior? And the world has changed, there is life after Dior. It seems there is no life after... Theory.

Edit: I thought he was that kind of designer who is on an ego trip, but it looks like he isn't. Every young designer would kill for that job. Refusing the offer twice sounds crazy, and it's not like he doesn't have the talent to make it work. He would have his name engraved in gold letters in Fashion History. Same when he asked LVMH to double Alexander's salary... and as they didn't reach an agreement he refused to design for Givenchy. It's just crazy. When Marc declined to design for Dior I was shocked because he looks like he is on an ego trip too. The world has changed.

 

[eugenius]

I think you're all reading way too much into so very little.

 

[ThatGuyPaul]

Can we move on?

 

[rip_ian curtis]

Well I guess theyskens will remain unemployed for good.

 

[Creative]

I think you're all reading way too much into so very little.

Hmm... like what?

 

[Pradable]

@ creative

I think it could be maybe not due to fashion in particular, neither an ego trip matter, maybe, I would say, it is about refusing to work for these big conglomerates and their coercive and pragmatic practices of human resources. I think... not, I'm sure everyone in its right mind would think twice before accepting a proposal from one of these organizations.

 

[Fashionstuff]

What is he waiting for, then? That article sort of changed my mind about him. No Valentino, no Dior... What does he want? I thought fashion CEOs didn't want him and that was the reason he didn't work. Yes to Theory but no to Dior? And the world has changed, there is life after Dior. It seems there is no life after... Theory.

Edit: I thought he was that kind of designer who is on an ego trip, but it looks like he isn't. Every young designer would kill for that job. Refusing the offer twice sounds crazy, and it's not like he doesn't have the talent to make it work. He would have his name engraved in gold letters in Fashion History. Same when he asked LVMH to double Alexander's salary... and as they didn't reach an agreement he refused to design for Givenchy. It's just crazy. When Marc declined to design for Dior I was shocked because he looks like he is on an ego trip too. The world has changed.

I don't understand him too. And i changed my mind about him too. What he is waiting for? Did he think he is a genie,i mean when he asked a double salary? He was 25, ok. Maybe too Young, ego trip. But refuse all Jobs? One day he would wait of some opportunity but nobody will offer for him to ovehelm the best brands of the world.

@ creative

I think it could be maybe not due to fashion in particular, neither an ego trip matter, maybe, I would say, it is about refusing to work for these big conglomerates and their coercive and pragmatic practices of human resources. I think... not, I'm sure everyone in its right mind would think twice before accepting a proposal from one of these organizations.

If Theyskens is refused to work for these big Groups than he has no future in the fashion industry. With Theory ,which is not very big conglomerate-such LVMH, Kering or Marzotto, he worked also very short time.
He think twice for every offer and after... after he refused every offer.
Every creative mind want and "must" create.
Agree with Creative , every designer, if yound or not, will use the opportunity , the Chance of the life to work for Dior.
Maybe under "There is no life after Dior" he means that there is no life in Dior after Galliano, because it will take time till the people will stop to compare new designer with Galliano?
And it's nonsense, see Galliano, it seems there is a life after Dior , also if he was fired from Dior. But he wanted to create and he made collections for De La Renta and he got his Chance, he has Maison Margiela.

 

[Pricciao]

Are you serious? That article was in 2010, it was even prior his Theory appointment. You guys can think a bit thoroughly before making judgements alright?

Why would he refuse the Dior tenure? well if it was Galliano before his scandal/at his prime, anyone would've turned it down to save faces for themselves; or if it was at the time the scandal happened, wouldn't that situation be too much fuss to deal with for Theyskens?

 

[Deleted member 7575]

Guys, there's a lot of reasons why someone like Theyskens wouldn't want to work for LVMH. I know it sounds crazy but it's not always in a person's best interest to sign up with these huge conglomerates. We don't know what's going on in his life and who knows what the terms of the contract were.