Raf Simons Named Chief Creative Officer of Calvin Klein

......he really needs to start making some money for the suits

And fast! This slide could not have happened at a more inconvenient time as the brand will have to struggle with the recent US/China trade tariffs as well. Saw an interview on CNBC with the CEO, and as the above article stated, it's mainly CK Jeans and that oddly titled line. He doesn't sound like the type who will allow his coins to be messed with.

The analyst in the article is saying those two brands recently underwent rebranding? That happened the moment Raf took over which is how many seasons ago already? Maybe she just doesn't want to throw him under the bus. Willy Vanderperre's tepid campaigns aside, CK ads has been shockingly absent in magazines, especially in the Nov/Dec issues where the likes of Gucci took up 6/8 pages.

No, I'd say his number is up. Watch how he'll cry about numbers pressure in 3....2.....
 
I think he may already be out. From the start there was a sense of arrogance and coldness about his approach to the brand. It was like he totally ignored the DNA of the brand, and by using Willy; the worlds most lifeless photographer, created the most sexless and emotionless visuals for any brand, let alone a brand synonymous with "sex". It's almost as if he wanted to fail. Very strange tenure.
 
Honestly, not a surprise in the slightest.

Raf and his team...Pieter, and Pieter's BF Matthieu, Willy...really have ended up coming off as a very pretentious and out of touch group. A group in which no one is offers the voice of reason. Their work shows this attitude - an inflated sense of self importance. Honestly, I feel like their "Jaws" collection left a bad taste in everyone's mouth (even Cathy Horyn hated it!). It was such an arrogant collection! A cruel joke.

Which is to say, I haven't hated everything they've done for Calvin so far, but if you really think about it, it's had nothing to do with Calvin Klein. It's sort of this imagery and identity they've concocted that came out of nowhere and of nothing. Lola is right, Americana is really not CK. That's Ralph's territory. CK was always more about a cosmopolitan sophistication, a sensuality, a sexuality, something more urban but cozy. None of that appears in the work this team has created.

And it's no secret that that's the Calvin identity. This is not them taking over some small, dusty, forgotten Parisian maison that is in need of an identity. This is Calvin Klein. Francisco Costa may have fizzled out hard the last couple years of his tenure, but at least even when he relinquished himself to just knock off Celine, the brand and his collections still managed to at least feel like Calvin.

Raf needs a serious reality check. And so does his team. I think they've all become their own worst enemies. I think if Raf has any chance of surviving here, he will need to refresh his team - part ways with Pieter and Matthieu, and work with a new photographer. It could be the jolt he needs to pull it together. I fear if he doesn't, his days here are very numbered.
 
#mycalvins was such a hit in 2015 and now CK looks so far away from everything...

Rafs was supposed to be the leader of NYs fashion. Its a pity.
 
Couldn't have said it better! I won't lie, I welcomed the news when I heard he's heading to CK. There I may have delusional because I had hoped he'd be a perfect due to his stint at Jil Sander. How is it that he had such an intrinsic understanding and respect of the core values of that brand, not only executed it it perfectly, but also innovated and moved it along with the times? With CK being such an 'easy' brand to steer, I assumed it would be a walk in the park for him. I didn't want to revert to the popular adage in 80s fashion - you're only as good as your last hit.

But yes, to date his collections are too pretentious. And his overhaul way too ambitious. Not dumbing CK customers down because I was one myself, but the shopping experience used to be very easy and to the point. Zucchelli was rooted in atheticism and minimalist simplicity, and pushed himself in an understated yet spornosexual way season after season. From my personal experience his line was well cut, minimalist in terms of design for most part, and aimed at a very exclusive body shape. That body shape has never changed, however much gender neutral campaigning would like us to think it did. In fact most of the Virgils, Kanye Wests, Icebergs and streetwear tropes are actually relying VERY heavily on Zucchelli's past collections, only in a different silhouette.

Because of the strong effortless legacy reiterating house codes at CK is actually way more necessary than doing a bar jacket at Dior, or tweed at Chanel. That's understandable. CK the cornerstone of American fashion and their reach is more wider than Armani or Herrera. Americans may hoist flags in front of their houses, but do they actually want to dress up in sheeny cowboy outfits as well? His obsession and interpretation of Americana is almost insulting and far too experimental. Furthermore, the CK customer have access to a variety of European or even native brands with a more playful or avant-garde sensibility. Why would they want that at a legacy brand?

As for the matter of CK Jeans, I think it's a victim of unifying the creative vision under one umbrella. If consumers perceived the main line's advertising campaigns too out of touch, then it would become easy to dismiss CK Jeans the moment they spot a seemingly tamer visual continuation. Also, the marketing mapping for CK Jeans is way too sporadic for such a bread and butter line.

So what's next? I doubt he'll change sensibility anytime soon. He's too stubborn for that. I think they'll just try to save face with Luchford, hoping he'll better translate the new order to consumers. Which in fact should've happened from day 1.
 
#mycalvins was such a hit in 2015 and now CK looks so far away from everything...

Rafs was supposed to be the leader of NYs fashion. Its a pity.

Raf became a leader but he is only talking to the fashion crowd. This is the problem with designers being hyped up and coming with arrogance. Everybody made him believe that he was the savior of Calvin.

I think that Raf’s proposition in terms of clothing is quite clever....even more in menswear. He has managed to put his stamp on each and every garnment. There’s a signature shoe, pant, shirt, coat, suit.
But to erase sex and going for his whatever Warhol obsession...bad idea!

Sex still sells. Yes, pornochic doesn’t work but the mass doesn’y understand « intellectualism ».

MyCalvin worked because it was connected to the youth but designers like Raf and Hedi are only referencing their youth. On one hand, rock & roll is easy to understand but Jaws & Sterling Ruby? I hate Jeff Koons but this is a more approachable artist to collaborate with.

It will be interesting to see the next show. Maybe the designer line of Calvin should be contemporary instead of « luxury ». It’s hard like for Marc Jacobs to sell 30$ underwear and 2000$ coats.
 
I bet that within a year or so there will be headlines about him leaving. Tbh I think he and his team have taken too big steps with the label, from total change in style and marketing to logo change etc. I get the sense from the news that they have alienated a lot of their bread-and-butter customers in the process. It’s clear that the suits want a more mainstream, ”department store” approach from now on, which actually is their core business. Even mention of Macy’s in the article tells it all.
 
Executives have to stop thinking that a star designer will automatically bring money. More often now, they bring a lot of expenses, arrogance and all their friends to take as much money as possible from the brands they've been hired. They are extremely lazy and pretentious. They hide their laziness thanks to huge set design, aggressive PR/marketing policies (multiple campaigns, Instagram, full look policies, etc).

I think PVH hired him because they wanted the youth spirit he injected in his own brand or with Adidas but instead he took distance with the CK customers with clothes barely desirable and prices that make absolutely no sense for a brand like CK.
 
Executives have to stop thinking that a star designer will automatically bring money. More often now, they bring a lot of expenses, arrogance and all their friends to take as much money as possible from the brands they've been hired. They are extremely lazy and pretentious. They hide their laziness thanks to huge set design, aggressive PR/marketing policies (multiple campaigns, Instagram, full look policies, etc).

I think PVH hired him because they wanted the youth spirit he injected in his own brand or with Adidas but instead he took distance with the CK customers with clothes barely desirable and prices that make absolutely no sense for a brand like CK.
The question now is are they courageous enough to lower the prices?
They have invested so much into the business for letting things dying like that.
I’ve never understood why they decided to do a denim and underwear line for their runway line considering that they already have CK Jeans.
 
I saw the Collection with the long weird name at Barneys in SF recently and between Dries, Rick Owens, Balenciaga, Comme etc it made absolutely no sense. Too basic to be Designer Clothes, too conceptual and pretentious to be Casual or just a cool Denim Brand. I was seriously wondering for whom this collection was supposed to be.
I'm asking myself who Raf designs for in any case- his tenure at Jil Sander was cool and there were some beautiful shows but I was always told it never sold and that's why he was let go.
I love Raf and his men's collection were fantastic, but maybe it really has all gone to his head. It seems more vapid posturing now than cool clothes.
 
Calvin Klein is a very complicated brand, in the sense that they have this gigantic commercial mainstream side and a high fashion side.. and the two of them just can't work together. They're in two very different universes. I never thought the idea of combining Collection and Jeans/Underwear under the same creative direction was good. They need to let Raf work on FASHION the way it's supposed to be, and someone else work on jeans and underwear like it's supposed to be! You could definitely feel a sense of pressure to be slightly commercial, to be kinda middle of the road in the Raf's collection's, and I'm sure he doesn't appreciate that. Hopefully they can find a middle ground where all the different sectors of the brand are well served.

But the worst thing about this was the CEO's "strategy": "Social media... Instagram... influencers... millennials... Gen Z......."
Gross.
 
Executives have to stop thinking that a star designer will automatically bring money. More often now, they bring a lot of expenses, arrogance and all their friends to take as much money as possible from the brands they've been hired. They are extremely lazy and pretentious. They hide their laziness thanks to huge set design, aggressive PR/marketing policies (multiple campaigns, Instagram, full look policies, etc).

Exactly. This situation is another warning sign of what still happening this industry. We need rethink all this system of star designers. We have to put everyone in their places. A designer does have to be in a big house to be consider worthy and a brand doesn't needs a super star in chief to be considered worthy. Creativity gets lost in this system. In 10 years we will have only a few of this big designers working and then what? JWA is the only one that pops in my mind that maybe will have the energy and the stomach to keep working in this industry, but even him looks personally tired sometimes in interviews.
 
I'm not surprised one bit by the falling sales. Raf is great at what he does in Europe, but he's a terrible fit for a brand like Calvin Klein, whose DNA is sex and sensuality. Raf is the total opposite of that. His annoying European obsession with "americana" is always so pretentious and off putting. Americans are not interested in a montage of our greatest cultural hits, literally printed on to our clothes. Him and his bff Pieter need to go, and they can take Willy with them.
 
Now that the design template from the mainline collection has triggered down into the jeans range, it really shows how the approach of watering down the mainline aesthetics to a cheaper price range does no longer work on today's fashion market. The translation of the contrast striped and pocketed runway denim and the cowboy boots in even cheaper materials and finishing was a predestined fail - It seems nobody thought about the fact that these clothes would be sold in malls where the customer is looking for a much more simplified product, all while the fashion forward customer on a budget would wait comfortably for the mainline to go on sale.

The marketing people at Calvin Klein should have taken note that the designer denim and contemporary market has moved somewhere else at this point. Acne, A.P.C. and even CLOSED really paved the way for how contemporary brands with a focus on jeanswear should look like today, while on the elevated high street market there are new brands like ARKET (H&M group) and Uniqlo U directly competing for the fashion forward customer that Calvin Klein jeans should be aimed at, at better prices and sometimes even better quality.
 
Remember seeing his first Ck collection thinking, ‘this is not ck at all’
 
Calvin Klein is a very complicated brand, in the sense that they have this gigantic commercial mainstream side and a high fashion side.. and the two of them just can't work together. They're in two very different universes. I never thought the idea of combining Collection and Jeans/Underwear under the same creative direction was good. They need to let Raf work on FASHION the way it's supposed to be, and someone else work on jeans and underwear like it's supposed to be! You could definitely feel a sense of pressure to be slightly commercial, to be kinda middle of the road in the Raf's collection's, and I'm sure he doesn't appreciate that. Hopefully they can find a middle ground where all the different sectors of the brand are well served.

But the worst thing about this was the CEO's "strategy": "Social media... Instagram... influencers... millennials... Gen Z......."
Gross.

True, and I agree with you! Before Raf it used to be like that. Costa and Zuchelli oversaw their separate campagns, and at times had to collaborate on one campaign for CK Collection. The rest were all under different creative control. But remember, one of the reasons Raf decided to leave Dior was over the lack of creative control. He could oversee the mainline campaign, but not perfume, makeup, spokesperson hires, store design, nor the showroom. With that in mind, it's very easy to assume it may have been one of his terms when Calvin Klein negotiations kicked off. It's a tricky business. I understand why he would've wanted that. Well, most of it stems from ego of course, but he probably wanted CK Collection, CK Calvin Klein, CK Jeans, underwear, watches and perfumes to have a seamless visual feel. He probably didn't want a g*ngb*ng campaign for CK Jeans next to his Texas Chainsaw Massacre-lite mainline campaign. But then the question must be posed - how can you as a designer control those markets when you don't have direct creative input in the development of the products? Perfume I have no problem with because perfumes are often associated with the current design aesthetic of the brand's collections anyway. Jadore for instance is synonymous with Galliano's extravagance. But even there I'd say tread carefully. But jeans, underwear and watches are unique, individual markets and you can easily muck it up if you don't understand how they operate or what approach to follow. It should be handled individually because it's very much likely that the person buying a denim may have no interest in buying into the mainline. I think Raf bit off way more than he could chew, and now fingers will be pointed to him. Because the irony is that historically CK Collection always generated the LEAST revenue for the brand. Always. It's only there to keep the brand in the same conversation as other luxury players. A marketing effort, in plain words. And what's happening now is that the advertising directive is being funneled from a little platform who very few actually buy into, or understand. With that in mind, it baffles me that CK By Appointment was even greenlighted.
As for CK Jeans, I think his designs are way too ambitious for such a commercial brand. There too, the audience is vast. How is he expecting to sell a denim shirt, pants and jacket set in egg yolk-yellow to a hipsters in LA and young professionals in the Middle East? Because that's how diverse the jeans demographic is.

This is why some brands don't like to cede complete creative control to designers. Phoebe had it, so of course Hedi will as well. But Celine is a small label. Maria Grazia, Alessandro and not even Karl does (we all know he would gladly load the makeup, jewellery and No.5 directives on his plate.) And there's a reason for that. Sublines can be converted into big earners because they often court unique consumers, and it's probably better to put together a generated team who can focus solely on that, AND liase with the CD to make sure the direction is not too far off from his. That should be the short term solution for CK, I think.
 
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I’m not even sure if a designer should have complete control over everything. Shouldn’t it be more about a group of people that all work for the same vision , albeit in their respective fields ?
In Raf’s case , he’s good at conceptual and serious, a northern european take on streetwear . That might have been a valid idea to give meaning to the main line at Calvin Klein , to create content and conversation. But it has nothing to do with the easy and sexy denim and underwear, which is ( correct me if i’m wrong) about youth, fun and good times. It’s not about tortured and arty references of what is wrong in America .
His collection for CK would have made fascinating and baffling in his own name , shown in a wasteland somewhere in Paris .. in NY, under the CK name they just make no sense .
 
I’m not even sure if a designer should have complete control over everything. Shouldn’t it be more about a group of people that all work for the same vision , albeit in their respective fields?

I think it's because designers feel the sublines will jeopardise their vision or aesthetic by putting out something (products or campaigns) that is in direct contrast to their own. Or in most cases, just ego. Like the time Hedi sent out a formal media release to let it be known that he's got zero contribution to Yves Saint Laurent beauty and fragrance campaigns.

That job is better left to CEOs or a dedicated professional. Gucci is proof that it can work. Michele set the tone with his aesthetic, and the brand is adapting it for other lines.
 

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