Riccardo Tisci - Designer

[HigthaVandah]

So Tisci is not one of the good gays?

Has this become a niche tFS reference?

Maybe Tisci is one of the secretly bald gays...

 

[unknown179]

Does anyone any editorials that the fw12 Givenchy earrings were in?

I found this picture but I can't even track down where its from because its from Pinterest

 

[99 Percent Polyester]

Does anyone any editorials that the fw12 Givenchy earrings were in?
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I found this picture but I can't even track down where its from because its from Pinterest

This is from Michelle Elie's Instagram from 2012 (and yes, I had to scroll back 13 years 😭). Doesn't look like it's from an editorial shoot.



Here are some other shoots I found:

Ming Xi, Vogue China, ??? 2012:
Ming Xi & Antonia Wesseloh by Andrew Yee for Vogue China

Liu Wen, Vogue China, December 2012:
oriental tales: liu wen by karim sadli for vogue china december 2012

Kristina, Vogue Russia, November 2012:
An Outerwear Clad Kristina Salinovic Poses for Richard Bush in Vogue Russia's November Issue – Fashion Gone Rogue

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[unknown179]

This is from Michelle Elie's Instagram from 2012 (and yes, I had to scroll back 13 years 😭). Doesn't look like it's from an editorial shoot.



Here are some other shoots I found:

Ming Xi, Vogue China, ??? 2012:
Ming Xi & Antonia Wesseloh by Andrew Yee for Vogue China

Liu Wen, Vogue China, December 2012:
oriental tales: liu wen by karim sadli for vogue china december 2012

Kristina, Vogue Russia, November 2012:
An Outerwear Clad Kristina Salinovic Poses for Richard Bush in Vogue Russia's November Issue – Fashion Gone Rogue

I accept payment in the form of Visa gift cards, Fortnite V-Bucks, and The Fashion Spot crypto coins.

I was able to find the last three editorials. Thank you so so much, I didn't think to check her instagram.

 

[99 Percent Polyester]

I was able to find the last three editorials. Thank you so so much, I didn't think to check her instagram.

No problem! I like going down rabbit holes and it was satisfying to find the source, lol.

Afterwards I even looked through the photographer’s profile and googled to see if anything popped up and nope. So I’m pretty sure it’s not from an editorial shoot.

 

[tourbillions]

so where is he going

 

[KilltheLook]

so where is he going

Fire Island

 

[Monsieur Cristobal]

I liked a lot his Givenchy but sometimes is good to accept that our favorite designers from ten years ago won't keep endlessly coming back.
Some of them don't want to, some others are not wanted.

 

[FashionPower]

Fire Island

You forgot XLSIOR in Mykonos, Circuit in Barcelona and Puerto Vallarta

 

[vogue28]

MODERATOR’S NOTE:

Please take ALL discussion regarding the sexual assault allegations against Riccardo Tisci, here. Thank you.

 

[GIVENCHYlover]

An intriguing interview from Vogue Hommes S/S 2011


Vogue Hommes International: Which man has seduced you the most?
Riccardo Tisci: I don't think I've met him yet. I've been attracted to a lot of men in my life but never truly seduced. I'm still young though...

Vogue Hommes International: Do you have a particular type of man?
Riccardo Tisci: The kind that works out. About two years ago, I went through a break-up that transformed my view of love and sexuality. Until then, I had wanted elegance above all. I pretty much didn't care about looks. Now sex appeal matters. I like handsome, muscular boys who radiate strenght. This explains my obsession with Latin America. I can't resist the way those guys are so comfortable with their bodies. I find this kind of confidence in yourself and your body hugely attractive.

Vogue Hommes International: Could you be attracted by a woman?
Riccardo Tisci: Obviously. Man or woman, at the end of the day who cares? I'm open to love. I had an emotionally though childhood, so I'm eager to soak up all the different feelings others can bring me. There's nothing male or female about that. I wouldn't really describe myself as bisexual, just an advocate of free love. I couldn't care less about gender, colour, age or background. I just follow my heart.

Vogue Hommes International: Two seasons ago, you cast Lea T, a stunning non-operated transgender model, in your Givenchy campaigns. Are you attracted to transsexuals?
Riccardo Tisci: I'm not sexually attracted but I am touched by their soul and how fragile they appear.

Vogue Hommes International: How do you seduce someone?
Riccardo Tisci: I don't have a particular method. It's almost impossible to read my emotions, even for the people who've known me for twenty years. Having said that, I'm desperately shy and even through my work, interviews, that kind of thing, I have gone a long way to overcoming this, the minute I fall for someone, my shyness resurfaces. Which could be that wins hearts in the end. They do say shy people make the best lovers?

Vogue Hommes International: What's the craziest thing you've ever done for love?
Riccardo Tisci: I spent an entire night in the freezing cold, outside the house of a boy who'd broken up with me. I must have been 17. I'd done a really stupid thing, he'd dumped me, and I was feeling miserable and guilty. It's an experience that made one of the biggest impressions on me, but with hindsight I don't think it was love. At that age, everything has the colour of love. Which doesn't prevent it from being engraved in my memory.

Vogue Hommes International: Any taboos?
Riccardo Tisci: None. It's funny, because as soon as you're in the public eye, all kind of stories about yourself start doing the rounds. People fantasise like crazy. How many times have I heard I was part of some booty call involving toys or bondage or transsexuals or whatever. I'm actually much tamer than that. At most I enjoy simple, organic games. I love making love. That collision of romance and animal. It sends me into a trance.

Vogue Hommes International: Sex without feelings?
Riccardo Tisci: A lot when I was young. Now I need feelings, emotion, even for a one-night stand.

Vogue Hommes International: Describe your best sexual experience.
Riccardo Tisci: I've had quite a few, but the one that immediately springs to mind was with someone well-known. I'd never have imagined something could happen between me and this guy. It's still the hottest weekend I've ever had. Nobody knows for sure if he's straight or gay; it's a complete mystery. Still, I was drawn to him, his way of talking and thinking, the way he smokes, walks, dresses. I admire his work as an artist. That weekend together, the intimacy between us, has only made him even more attractive to me.

Vogue Hommes International: The best place to make love?
Riccardo Tisci: I've had my best experiences on a sandy beach, in a lift at night, and in slightly risky places where you know you might get caught: the suspense is a huge turn-on. I once made love in the bathroom on a boat, where I'd been invited to a party. That was quite a thrill.

Vogue Hommes International: The most erotic smell?
Riccardo Tisci: For a woman, just under the fold of her breast. For a man, the small of the back, where the buttocks begin.

Vogue Hommes International: Who would you say is the epitome of seduction?
Riccardo Tisci: Keanu Reeves, River Phoenix and Tiger Tyson. He's a p*rn star I once met in a club in New York. Very sexy...

Vogue Hommes International: Who would you love to invite to dinner?
Riccardo Tisci: River Phoenix and Elvis Presley. We could have a threesome.

Vogue Hommes International: Do you think of yourself as a seducer?
Riccardo Tisci: Not really. Even though I like how I look, I'd be curious to understand what others see in me. What they like about me. When I realise a man or a woman is attracted to me, I always wonder what they've fallen for. So to answer the question, no, I don't see myself as a seducer. Which in the end is maybe what seduces people.

 

[Alquimista]

looking at old givenchy shows, videos, etc, and I started to ask myself: who is influenced by Tisci today? who are his heirs? who picked up the aesthetics, the cuts, the VIBES he was creating at that time? You see other top designers like Phoebe, JW Anderson, f*cking Demna and they all have their copyists, their "babies", the ones who developed, copied, stretched their design style, but I do not know ONE designer that seems to be influenced by Tisci. And that makes me sad.

thefashionisto

 

[DK92]

who is influenced by Tisci today?

Thank God, NOBODY!

To be honest, I never liked him as a designer, but I recognize that he has talent and delivered good looks overall, from clothes to hair and makeup that were interesting on the runway, the whole show vibe is great, something I miss these days.

I think he would be the only one (available) capable of doing something interesting at McQueen. But I want him to do it more comprehensively, without repeating the cycle he did at Givenchy and then at Burberry of using the same team for everything.

 

[Lola701]

looking at old givenchy shows, videos, etc, and I started to ask myself: who is influenced by Tisci today? who are his heirs? who picked up the aesthetics, the cuts, the VIBES he was creating at that time? You see other top designers like Phoebe, JW Anderson, f*cking Demna and they all have their copyists, their "babies", the ones who developed, copied, stretched their design style, but I do not know ONE designer that seems to be influenced by Tisci. And that makes me sad.

I think the biggest influence Riccardo had on fashion was in the ressurgence of streetwear and the inclusion of streetwear in the high fashion conversation.
The Givenchy FW2009 menswear collection was a game changer for fashion as a whole. The collections that followed also.

As far as his womenswear, he is not really one designer of « a silhouette ». He had themes that were very personal, influences that are very personal and that he mixes in a particular way that it could be difficult even to copy with subtlety.

And compared to the designers who were as influential as him, he never produced a school of design.
The designers who came up from his studio never managed to shine on their own at brands where their voices could matter.

It’s a bit like Alber! Who is influenced by him? No one.
The same with Karl. Yes in some ways, his legacy lives on at brands he designed (it’s impossible to not reference him at Chanel, Fendi or Chloe) but as a designer, who is influenced by him? Nobody.


I hope his current issues don’t mean the end of his career but I think Burberry was a bit of a mistake as a career path. Maybe motivated by money and how huge the machine is but Riccardo is really a HF designer.

 

[tricotineacetat]

looking at old givenchy shows, videos, etc, and I started to ask myself: who is influenced by Tisci today? who are his heirs? who picked up the aesthetics, the cuts, the VIBES he was creating at that time? You see other top designers like Phoebe, JW Anderson, f*cking Demna and they all have their copyists, their "babies", the ones who developed, copied, stretched their design style, but I do not know ONE designer that seems to be influenced by Tisci. And that makes me sad.

thefashionisto

Altuzarra and Antonin Tron were both known collaborators in the development of Tisci's best Givenchy collections.

Antonin Tron was quite heavily involved in Tisci's infamous naval-themed FW‘07 and his graduate collection in Antwerp a year after mirrored his graphic hand with embellishment that would continue to be a part of Tisci's Givenchy vocabulary. It's a pity his Atlein collections did not pick up that interest. His way of draping with jersey is something he might have picked up at Givenchy.

As for Altuzarra, we know he has come a long way since starting out with his body-con beginnings.

 

[PDFSD]

Altuzarra and Antonin Tron were both known collaborators in the development of Tisci's best Givenchy collections.

Antonin Tron was quite heavily involved in Tisci's infamous naval-themed FW‘07 and his graduate collection in Antwerp a year after mirrored his graphic hand with embellishment that would continue to be a part of Tisci's Givenchy vocabulary. It's a pity his Atlein collections did not pick up that interest. His way of draping with jersey is something he might have picked up at Givenchy.

As for Altuzarra, we know he has come a long way since starting out with his body-con beginnings.

classic case of the offsprings being even less talented on their own than the (in this case already debatable) talented parent

on a separate note tisci was the precursor to blazy both have a talent & love to overdesign & embellish and be reptertive at the same time never evolving

both loved by yes gays both designed stuff for kanye tours as wel lol ..ok my mind is seeing all the links even the Helmut Lang's copy/influence on both designs and love for granny lace flou slip dresses

 

[tricotineacetat]

classic case of the offsprings being even less talented on their own than the (in this case already debatable) talented parent

on a separate note tisci was the precursor to blazy both have a talent & love to overdesign & embellish and be reptertive at the same time never evolving

both loved by yes gays both desiged stuff for kanye tours as wel lol ..ok my mind is seeing all the links even the helmut langs copy/influence on both designs

I still enjoy quite a few of those earlier Givenchy shows, which were pretty straight forward and chic, and have therefore aged better than the streetwear-inspired part that would later define the overtly commercial, merchandised part of Tisci's later Givenchy.

Regarding the overdesign aspect - Some of Nicolas' often-referenced Balenciaga shows were in their own right very much overdesigned and in that regard, decorative and not more purposeful. The same accounts to some of Helmut Lang's most sought-after vintage pieces between 2003-2005. I really don't see a clear 'better', more the fact that Nicolas' ongoing success gives his design legacy a different legitimation than that of other designers, whose critical acclaim did not translate to commercial success.

 

[Lola701]

I still enjoy quite a few of those earlier Givenchy shows, which were pretty straight forward and chic, and have therefore aged better than the streetwear-inspired part that would later define the overtly commercial, merchandised part of Tisci's later Givenchy.

Regarding the overdesign aspect - Some of Nicolas' often-referenced Balenciaga shows were in their own right very much overdesigned and in that regard, decorative and not more purposeful. The same accounts to some of Helmut Lang's most sought-after vintage pieces between 2003-2005. I really don't see a clear 'better', more the fact that Nicolas' ongoing success gives his design legacy a different legitimation than that of other designers, whose critical acclaim did not translate to commercial success.

Fashion in the 2000 was overdesigned and way over detailed.
Thank god in a way because it forced designers to pay attention to details even if sometimes looking at some pieces, I wonder if there was a need to have that many pieces to make a pair of pants or skirts.

A part from Alber, I can’t think of one designer who didn’t « over designed » or over detailed.
There was after all in the beginning of the century that influence of active wear, performance wear. Designers were experimenting, having pockets everywhere, pushing sometimes the idea of functionality. Those researches that were started in the 80’s/90’s by Issey or people like Guirbaud morphed into fabrics and decorations.

Riccardo is a quite decorative designer and in one collection he could it marvelously and terribly at the same time (FW2008).

I feel like the idea of clothes being more « dépouillés » came back after the crisis in 2007/2008.

But I don’t feel like Riccardo’s pieces in womenswear as a whole has aged badly. Nobody wants to see the tshirts and I really don’t like his SS2008 collection but a lot of things (except the chaps) have aged quite well. The same cannot be said about his menswear. Yes the Gaultier/Helmut Lang inspired stuff looks still great but the rest not so much…

But I feel like it’s the case for most designers no?
But the again when we see pieces in silhouettes, they can sometimes feel dated (mostly because of accessories) but on their own, in a own, they are marvelous.

The whole Balenciaga SS2009 kind of feel very dated. It felt dated 2 years after it was shown but except for the pants and the shoes, the pieces on their own were sublime and quite different from what Nicolas ever did.

 

[PPPT]

I’ve been thinking about Givenchy’s haute couture during Riccardo Tisci’s era. I still can’t quite understand why it wasn’t successful enough to continue, or why the house eventually stopped showing couture.

 

[Lola701]

I’ve been thinking about Givenchy’s haute couture during Riccardo Tisci’s era. I still can’t quite understand why it wasn’t successful enough to continue, or why the house eventually stopped showing couture.

I don’t think it was that successful during Clare’s era. Riccardo was doing his 10 looks thing that was quite sustainable and actually clever for Couture.
Clare expanded, with runway shows and all but without a clear vision for her RTW, her Couture kind of felt isolated.

Then Matthew Williams and the pandemic happened.

Couture is an expensive activity to keep up. Operational costs alone are mind blowing.

I think they relocated the Couture ressources for the custom Redcarpet or for special orders. The house has downsized so much since Riccardo left that the will likely relaunch Couture only when the RTW take off again and has a real identity.


Tbh I find the « Couture on marketing budget » thing a bit passé considering how many customs those brands are doing.

If they aren’t operating Couture in a real way, with something aimed at a clientele, it should remained closed.