Rochas to close

hypothetically and logistically. I dont see why it cannot be done. Although, it will need lots of lawyers , researching laws and regulations, copyrights etc. all that business law headache. It's too soon to know what both the company and Olivier are open to discuss , if there is room for discussion.




fashionista-ta said:
He can?? Can you point me to the report that says P&G have given Olivier rights to the Rochas name for fashion purposes?
 
some more on this story, from today's wwd...

Theyskens could not immediately be reached for comment, however, sources speculated he would likely seek funding to reestablish his signature label, which he owns but put on hiatus to concentrate on Rochas. Though he often stressed his commitment to Rochas, saying that he felt at home at the house, Theyskens continued to speak frequently about his own brand and its aesthetic as if it was never far from his mind. He liked to talk about some of his design ideas as belonging to his world, and being unfit for Rochas.
 
smartarse said:
Look at the bright side, Olivier can retain Rocha's name and line under his tenure with a different investor and/or company who is more in line with the industry.

I haven't hear this anywhere. :huh: As a matter of fact P&G tried to license out the fashion label but wanted to retain the fragrance rights and nobody bit.

Olivier is talking about reviving his own line. Not the Rochas line.
 
Buzz Meets Bottom Line: Procter & Gamble Closing Rochas Fashion House

Published: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 (www.wwd.com)

PARIS — Despite wide critical acclaim for designs by Olivier Theyskens, the Rochas fashion house is to be shuttered, WWD has learned.

Procter & Gamble — owner of the business — met with some 30 workers here Tuesday to propose a shutdown plan, a company spokeswoman confirmed. She would only add that the fall-winter ready-to-wear collection — highlighted by lean pantsuits and ethereal gowns — would continue to be shipped.

According to an industry source, P&G owns and will continue producing fragrances under the Rochas brand; however, fashion is not its core business.

Retailers have not yet been informed of the Rochas fashion closure and no official announcement is expected. Laying off workers is a complex and lengthy process in France and could take several months.

P&G inherited Rochas — both its fashion and fragrance arms — in 2003, when P&G kicked off the $6.9 billion acquisition of Wella's portfolio, which also included the fragrances for brands such as Anna Sui, Montblanc, Escada and Gucci. There were no other fashion companies besides Rochas in the holdings.

According to the industry source, P&G had tried to license out the Rochas fashion business, but there was only interest in outright acquisitions of the fashion and fragrance brands together.

The shutdown will mark the end of three years of acclaim for Theyskens, who made Rochas one of the most anticipated and lauded shows of Paris Fashion Week and a favorite resource of retailers such as Barneys New York, Jeffrey and Neiman Marcus. Earlier this year, Theyskens received the International Award from the Council of Fashion Designers of America.

It is understood the Rochas ready-to-wear business grew some 30 percent last year, and the company received a strong reaction to its pre-spring 2007 collection, unveiled earlier this month during the couture shows. But ultimately, Rochas was considered a niche label, known for cocktail attire and extravagant gowns that could cost as much as $35,000 at retail. The financial performance of the fashion house could not immediately be learned, but it is understood it was loss-making.

Historically, beauty companies have found fashion businesses difficult to master and disposed of them. In recent years, L'Oréal spun off its Lanvin fashion holding and Groupe Clarins stopped manufacturing the Thierry Mugler fashion brand to focus on its hit fragrances.

But the Rochas shutdown also underscores that media acclaim is no guarantee of security for designers at a time of intense bottom-line focus. Although American fashion critics and magazines in particular fawned over the 29-year-old fashion wunderkind, the business did not reach critical mass.

Theyskens could not immediately be reached for comment, however, sources speculated he would likely seek funding to reestablish his signature label, which he owns but put on hiatus to concentrate on Rochas. Though he often stressed his commitment to Rochas, saying that he felt at home at the house, Theyskens continued to speak frequently about his own brand and its aesthetic as if it was never far from his mind. He liked to talk about some of his design ideas as belonging to his world, and being unfit for Rochas.

A Belgian based in Brussels, Theyskens leaped onto the international fashion radar in 1998 at age 21 when he dressed Madonna in a striking black satin coat with hook-and-eye closures for the Oscars and she anointed him her new favorite designer, again donning his gowns for the VH1 Awards in New York later that year. Theyskens was immediately dubbed a Goth hero and gained a reputation for theatrical fashion shows. At one, the end of his elevated runway, which had just supported a model in a massive gown, sprouted a crack and tumbled to the ground. The name of fashion's new hero was soon on everyone's lips, and he was considered a front-runner to succeed Alexander McQueen at Givenchy in 2001.

Theyskens joined Rochas in 2003 at the tender age of 26. He replaced Peter O'Brien, who had been brought in four years earlier to revive rtw. Fashion operations had ceased in 1955 following the death of founder Marcel Rochas, known for his feminine silhouettes and a bustier dubbed "the guepiere."

Theyskens immediately established a sophisticated couture look for Rochas with his debut collection, which featured dramatic "hunchback" gowns and bustier dresses that enveloped the body like a cream puff.

But, amid such showstoppers, Theyskens made Rochas into one of the torchbearers for what has become a new refinement in fashion, lifting inspiration from the world of Paris couture, and blending it with a modern point of view.

No one expected Theyskens to trumpet elegance when he arrived at Rochas, given his reputation for darkly romantic confections in his own label. But he often said that in his designs for Rochas he was exploring another side of his personality, one that was more contained and strictly defined.

A few months ago he told WWD: "My idea for Rochas was based on a very Parisian vision, which is a slightly intellectual approach to fashion and one that centers on the idea of taste." Recent collections were inspired by Monet's water lilies and chimney sweeps, but they displayed Theyskens' concentration on developing pure silhouettes — as in the thin pantsuit he showed for fall-winter. "What I feel modern is to make clothes that have poetry and inspiration," he said. "Modernity is an attitude and an approach to fashion. What is most important is that the personality of the designer come out in the clothes."

The size of the Rochas fragrance business could not be learned. However, industry sources say it remains "very healthy," particularly in France and Spain.

Among the brand's fragrances are Poupee (or "Doll," in English) for women, which Theyskens unveiled at a Rochas show in 2004, after he was made responsible for the brand's scents, as well as its artistic director. The designer described the fragrance, housed in a pink bottle topped with a red spray cap, as "very feminine and very couture."

In 2003, Lui, joined the men's lineup at Rochas, which also included Rochas Man and Eau de Rochas Homme. Other Rochas fragrances include Alchimie, Byzantine Woman and Madame Rochas.

In the meantime, P&G kept bulking up its prestige beauty stable. By last year, it had fully integrated Wella's fine fragrance division, called Cosmopolitan Cosmetics, into P&G Prestige Beauty. The division had a war chest of global and locally acclaimed prestige scents — including most of the former Wella-owned licenses (a handful had been spun off), plus brands such as Lacoste, Valentino, Max Mara and Jean Patou. Together, they generated almost $2 billion and were rivaled only by the world's biggest prestige fragrance player, L'Oréal.
 
Thanks for the bio of Theyskens' professional career. He will still thrive. All they buyers know him and I bet they will support his personal endeavors and designs. Especially after that Barney's quote.
 
yes. of course Olivier 's concentration is to revive his own line but it needs capital. but doesn't hurt if he has the possibility to continue the legacy of Rocha couture either.

Stylebites said:
I haven't hear this anywhere. :huh: As a matter of fact P&G tried to license out the fashion label but wanted to retain the fragrance rights and nobody bit.

Olivier is talking about reviving his own line. Not the Rochas line.
 
Rochas makes the best suits, the best dresses, the best shoes, what went wrong??? So it's expensive, but it's the best thing out there!!! As for Olivier's own line, it's not Rochas. It's good, but it's very very different. This is the worst thing that's happened to fashion!!!
 
What about Olivier can take over Loewe, or even Givenchy (i like ricardo but he's wrong for givenchy)??? There's so much Olivier can do. I just hope he keeps on making those amazing suits and gowns.
 
Oh well, it took me a while to consider posting again... this is still a little too much to handle right now, I always depended on Rochas as the brand I was most willing to grow a business with, and I always believed in the potential of the brand, which makes it double a pity, when most of the people were only seeing it as a brand that would be most prominent for 5-figure evening gowns (I always focussed on daywear so I can't tell if these dresses, which were the most expensive showstoppers, not the average price level, actually sold).

Rochas did try to launch bags and footwear - they did have a very talented young guy from Antwerp working on this exclusively, who is also doing all footwear for Bruno Pieters... the bags were fairly reasonably priced, given the fact that the leathers were absolutely TOP NOTCH quality, unlike Marc Jacobs, Balenciaga, Luella or Lanvin... Unfortunately though, you need to have the PR to sell a handbag/accessories collection successfully. Rochas had always been a quiet house, I always happened to appreciate that since the collection had never been hyped (thank god colette didn't have it), but in terms of sales, it probably wouldn't have hurt.

As far as the idea of Olivier moving over to De La Renta is concerned, I wouldn't doubt he would be capable of changing the look into something less "stiff", but it would still be a very American collection, more so than Rochas. By American, I am trying to point out that the market does seem to demand for evening gowns, cocktail attire and cruise clothing, which is different than in continental Europe where you are mostly selling daywear... It wouldn't excite me that much to see Olivier focussing on that aspect of his work, I thought he was best when he was capable of translating all the couture references into something you could either way throw over as a seperate piece for daytime or in another context for the evening... which is a concept I am personally feeling very much attached towards.
 
tricotineacetat said:
Oh well, it took me a while to consider posting again... this is still a little too much to handle right now, I always depended on Rochas as the brand I was most willing to grow a business with, and I always believed in the potential of the brand, which makes it double a pity, when most of the people were only seeing it as a brand that would be most prominent for 5-figure evening gowns (I always focussed on daywear so I can't tell if these dresses, which were the most expensive showstoppers, not the average price level, actually sold).

Rochas did try to launch bags and footwear - they did have a very talented young guy from Antwerp working on this exclusively, who is also doing all footwear for Bruno Pieters... the bags were fairly reasonably priced, given the fact that the leathers were absolutely TOP NOTCH quality, unlike Marc Jacobs, Balenciaga, Luella or Lanvin... Unfortunately though, you need to have the PR to sell a handbag/accessories collection successfully. Rochas had always been a quiet house, I always happened to appreciate that since the collection had never been hyped (thank god colette didn't have it), but in terms of sales, it probably wouldn't have hurt.

As far as the idea of Olivier moving over to De La Renta is concerned, I wouldn't doubt he would be capable of changing the look into something less "stiff", but it would still be a very American collection, more so than Rochas. By American, I am trying to point out that the market does seem to demand for evening gowns, cocktail attire and cruise clothing, which is different than in continental Europe where you are mostly selling daywear... It wouldn't excite me that much to see Olivier focussing on that aspect of his work, I thought he was best when he was capable of translating all the couture references into something you could either way throw over as a seperate piece for daytime or in another context for the evening... which is a concept I am personally feeling very much attached towards.

Your words make me want to cry :cry: I'm still in shock :cry:
 
tricotineacetat said:
Oh well, it took me a while to consider posting again... this is still a little too much to handle right now, I always depended on Rochas as the brand I was most willing to grow a business with, and I always believed in the potential of the brand, which makes it double a pity, when most of the people were only seeing it as a brand that would be most prominent for 5-figure evening gowns (I always focussed on daywear so I can't tell if these dresses, which were the most expensive showstoppers, not the average price level, actually sold).

Rochas did try to launch bags and footwear - they did have a very talented young guy from Antwerp working on this exclusively, who is also doing all footwear for Bruno Pieters... the bags were fairly reasonably priced, given the fact that the leathers were absolutely TOP NOTCH quality, unlike Marc Jacobs, Balenciaga, Luella or Lanvin... Unfortunately though, you need to have the PR to sell a handbag/accessories collection successfully. Rochas had always been a quiet house, I always happened to appreciate that since the collection had never been hyped (thank god colette didn't have it), but in terms of sales, it probably wouldn't have hurt.

As far as the idea of Olivier moving over to De La Renta is concerned, I wouldn't doubt he would be capable of changing the look into something less "stiff", but it would still be a very American collection, more so than Rochas. By American, I am trying to point out that the market does seem to demand for evening gowns, cocktail attire and cruise clothing, which is different than in continental Europe where you are mostly selling daywear... It wouldn't excite me that much to see Olivier focussing on that aspect of his work, I thought he was best when he was capable of translating all the couture references into something you could either way throw over as a seperate piece for daytime or in another context for the evening... which is a concept I am personally feeling very much attached towards.


ewwww, grosss, not de la renta, please.
rochas was the epitome of french chic, de la renta is the epitome of over-commericalized american cheap. God no, please stay with something french, olivier!!!
 
forgive me for changing the subject,but tricot,I thought Lieven Bonne(who designs footwear for Bruno)was female? Or is he working with somebody else?

Thanks kimair,for that bit about Olivier :flower: I always knew that he was still keen to do his own thing.
 
This is the worst news I've heard all week. I will follow Oliver wherever he goes but Rochas was the ultimate label as far as I'm concerned. The clothes were beautiful and timeless but it seems P&G only value the profit margins. Its an absolute shame that they can't appreciate and support artistry of this level.
 
Luxx said:
This is the worst news I've heard all week. I will follow Oliver wherever he goes but Rochas was the ultimate label as far as I'm concerned. The clothes were beautiful and timeless but it seems P&G only value the profit margins. Its an absolute shame that they can't appreciate and support artistry of this level.

Sadly, Wall Street won't let them...
 
Scott said:
forgive me for changing the subject,but tricot,I thought Lieven Bonne(who designs footwear for Bruno)was female? Or is he working with somebody else?

Thanks kimair,for that bit about Olivier :flower: I always knew that he was still keen to do his own thing.
Lieven is actually a boy, not a girl...:lol:

In any case, I am thrilled to see what he will be doing next... I told him numerous times that he could easily launch his own label and that I would definitely buy it - in fact, he brought up a lot of interesting concepts to treat leather, on the other side, he always gets the proportions right.
 
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as most of you may know, i was never a fan of Theyskens work (even though he IS the cutest boy) and i will dissagree on the quality of the Rochas pret-a-porter.. their latest collection had me laughing out loud, sorry, but to me, it was very tacky by the time it reached the sales floor

somehow i could see this coming, truth is that no matter how hyped some designers will be, fashion IS business, so.. when a brand does not sell, investors wont keep spending money on it, very cruel but very logical right?

like so many have stated already, i really hope Theyskens will find backers and go back into creating his own line , which is something he can do in a better way than what he was doing for Rochas.

and please, for your typos, it is Rochas, or else you are talking of (John) Rocha :wink:
 
Where is justice in the world:cry: ? As a designer, I adore Rochas and find Olivier's work has always been highly inspiring, romantic, conceptual but highly wearable. He got the French chic in the palm of his hands...His debut collection for the house was one of my fav shows EVER...
I hope the best for him, (but look at Helmut Lang, Jil Sander and Roland Mouret...:( ) I guess I gotta stay positive...however, I can't see him at de la Renta though, that'd be disappointing....love the idea of him being at Givenchy
 
Olivier has done a great jo for Rochas, but I don't think he could be ok for Loewe or Givenchy.
 

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