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So You Want to Become a Model? (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

I honestly don't understand how bridal runway was considered pointless by a 15 year old. Couture gown, wedding dress, I don't see much of a difference. Just a kid flying off the handle and digging for every angle she could.
Now I don't even want to know how she came to the conclusion that Stam winning over her was rigged. Comparison wise solely on the face alone, there's no way the results would have rang any other way, rigged or not IMHO.
 
Just so you know... a lot of the model mall searches are RIGGED. A seventeen magazine/elite model search was coming to my local mall to look for fresh faces, promote seventeen, etc. There would be five girls to be picked for a contract with Elite.

A girl that I knew who was my friend got picked to be signed with Elite, and I was really happy for her because she had the height and all the requirements needed to be a model. I was at the search to have fun and get a goody bag (I know I'm too short for high fashion and Elite :p).

Turns out when I talked to her at school, she was already signed with Elite before the contest. Elite sends her out to the other sort of model "searches" in the area and they always pick her.

I feel really bad for some of the girls who go to these things expecting people to be picked on fair judgements. Since elite does this with their other model "searches" they just shouldn't bother at all.
 
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^Wow...interesting.

Elite kind of rigged the International Elite Model Look this year too.
They sent Denisa Dvorakova to the event when she wasn't even a new face! (she had already appeared on many top designer runways and been in Italian Vogue etc.)
Of course she's going to win..ugh.
 
I really dislike "model searches" for this reason ... and for many other reasons too. Most (almost all) of them are not what they seem to be ... they are money makers for the organizers mainly ... or publicity for the agency. Neither of which is in the best interest of the aspiring models.


I still maintain that that best and least expensive way to find out if you have what they want is to show up for open calls. You will know instantly if you are what they are looking for.
 
#3407, wow.


I don't think this has been posted, but if it has, feel free to delete, thanks :flower:

Modeling Contracts, Model Releases

Many models face legal questions revolving around modeling contracts and model releases. The Models Observer has contacted the Law Firm of Sebastian Gibson to supply you with tips on how to deal with the leagal aspects of modeling.

Attorney R. Sebastian Gibson was educated in California and Wales and has been a practicing international lawyer for over 25 years, having practiced in England. For the last 20 years, he has practiced from offices in Palm Springs and he has served personal injury, car accident, business and real estate clients throughout Southern California.

The Law Firm of R. Sebastian Gibson also specialize in real estate, business, class action and litigation cases, international and entertainment law, trademarks and patents, and other intellectual property matters.

Author: California Lawyer Sebastian Gibson / for Models Observer
May 2007

1. What are the things I should pay attention to when signing a modeling contract?

First, let me say that the Law Offices of R. Sebastian Gibson represents only models and not photographers or agents. Therefore, my responses to these questions are how I would advise a model only and are somewhat partial toward models.

This is a tough one to answer briefly. A model should have an experienced attorney look over any modeling contract before signing it, especially your first contract, but if you don’t have the money for an attorney or can’t find one experienced in reviewing this type of contract, here are some pointers. There are primarily four types of modeling contracts out there. With an exclusive contract, the agency is your exclusive manager and booking agency and you will not be allowed to sign with any other agency for the length of the contract. Therefore, as discussed below, make sure you are signing with a reputable agency that can advance your career and not an agency that will simply tie you up for an extended period of time and do little for you.

A non-exclusive contract allows you to find work on your own without the requirement that you pay the agency a commission. You may also sign other non-exclusive contracts with other agencies. If the agency you are meeting with does not have the money to advance your initial costs of building a portfolio and the like, this type of contract is better suited for you.

A one-time contract is one that is signed for just one job and one job only. When the project is complete, the contract has been fulfilled as long as you have also been paid. If you have not been paid, you can sue for breach of contract.

A fourth type of contract is a mother agency contract. This type of contract allows your agency to receive a commission even after you are signed by a subsequent agency. In this type of agreement, the agency may simply be looking to sell your rights to a bigger agency and still take a cut. However, they may even be a reputable agency, but one seeking to make every cent they can from their discovery of you.

To understand how a mother agency contract works, you need to understand a little bit about how agencies are paid, and this is one of the key provisions of your contract. It is common for top-rated agencies to charge 20% commission on all monies a model receives for his or her work. Only a small percentage of very successful models over the years have been allowed by the agencies to reduce the agency commission to 15% and an even smaller percentage of very successful models have been allowed to negotiate their own contracts with their own managers and lawyers.

On top of the standard 20% commission, it has been alleged in a class-action lawsuit that some agencies have routinely charged an additional 20% of the model’s fee for the job to the model’s employers and then pocketed that 20% without giving any of it to the model. In addition, in compensation for the agency advancing the model his or her payments without having to wait until the agency is actually paid by the model’s employers, the agencies have often charged a further 5% commission to the model. Now you know how agencies make money. The good ones, however, may be worth every cent.

The mother agency contract, however, further contains a provision whereby the agency claims a commission on any modeling job the model ever obtains, even if that job is obtained by another agency. This is similar to where a scout discovers a model and obtains a percentage (often 5%) of the model’s earnings from the agency the scout directs the model to. A mother agency is often the first one that discovers a model. It is no coincidence that at the time when the model has the least amount of money and the least clout, that a model needs to have an attorney reviewing the model’s contracts.

Next, as discussed above, you need to research the modeling agency from whom you are being offered a contract. In a large market city such as New York, a reputable model agency should have the work and the money to invest in you to train you. That means they will advance the monies against your future earnings for a quality portfolio, composite cards, test shoots and the like. This is an important part of the contract and you need to understand what you will be responsible to repay. You do not want to be owing the agency money if you or they do not find you work and payment for your work.

In a medium sized market, the agency may be able to direct you where to go for photos for your portfolio, training and composites, but they may not be financially able to advance you the costs. If you wind up paying for these items, you need to ensure that the agency you are signing with and the city you are in can provide a sufficient amount of work to get you reimbursed for these costs.

In a small market (as well as larger ones) you may find agencies who are connected with modeling schools. Some of these agencies may simply be a hook to lure you into attending the modeling school. Be wary of such an agency that may either have no idea what they are doing or who seek to profit from your inexperience by profiting from every expense you will be directed to incur.

You want to read carefully the sections of any contract that provide what constitutes a breach of contract by you or the other party and what remedies or damages the parties are entitled to in the event of a breach. If the only person who can breach a contract is you, and if you are the only person who may owe anyone money in the event of a breach, run away as fast as you can.

2. Is a contract signed in the United States valid in other countries?

This question is easy. Yes, it is valid. A contract, however, can limit it’s terms or the geographical area (countries) to which it applies. In addition, you should ensure that the contract states that it is governed by the law of the state in the U.S. that is most convenient to you. If you live in Phoenix, you don’t want it governed by the law of North Dakota, much less the law of China, because you will be all but ensuring that to get your day in court, you will have to file suit in some far off jurisdiction. The contract should provide that in the event of any dispute in connection with the contract that either a lawsuit or mediation or arbitration shall take place in your state. If you want to save some costs, provide that the parties shall mediate or arbitrate any disputes. If you think you are always going to be in the right, then also provide that the prevailing party shall be entitled to any costs and attorney fees. If you don’t provide for that, you will not be entitled to be reimbursed for your attorney’s fees and costs, even if you win the mediation, arbitration or litigation.

source: modelsobserver.com
 
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While browsing through agencies' websites in Hong Kong, Singapore, etc., as well as keeping in mind that this is of course the Asian market, I noticed that they have quite a handful of local/Asian models who are of average height (usually 5'5 to 5'6 but I've seen they actually have models signed with the agency at 5'1!). Out of curiosity, I checked out the work that these models have on their portfolio and obviously, it's mostly print (magazine eds and such) work but it isn't necessarily a bad thing. I was just wondering if anyone has any advice/comment about this?

I know some people who can fit in the market (Asian/Pan-Asian) but aren't very tall (same as the average heights mentioned above) and I'm thinking whether or not it would be best to advice these friends to send photos to international Asian modeling agencies.
 
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Question: What are the requirements for being a model? Is there a minimum or maximum height, weight or other factor?

There are many different types of modeling categories. Each modeling category has different requirements. The main modeling categories are:
  • Editorial / Fashion
  • Commercial / Print
  • Fitness
  • Plus Size
  • Kids
  • Real People
Modeling is open to both male and female models and people of any ethnics or national background. While some modeling categories can have very specific height or weight requirements others can be more accessible. There are models of all ages, up to 60+.The two main modeling categories are Editorial/Fashion (i.e. runway and fashion magazine models) and Commercial. Editorial/Fashion has very strict requirements for height and weight, Commercial is a very broad category with requirements that are not as strict, there are all sorts of commercial models. Basic height requirements for the two main modeling categories, Commercial and Editorial/Fashion modeling usually are in these ranges, Commercial Modeling:
  • female:
  • 5'6 to 5'11

    male:
  • 5'9 to 6'2
Editorial / Fashion modeling:
  • female:
  • 5'8 to 6'0
  • Edited: Slender build

    male:
  • 5'9 to 6'2
  • Edited: slender build
Plus-Size modeling:
  • 5'8 to 6'2
  • size 10-18
Keep in mind these are just general guidelines and are not absolute.
source: models.com
 
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As quoted by fashion agent Jonathan Phang- digitalspy.com


You've worked with a lot of the top supermodels over the years. What makes the difference between someone who's really good looking and someone who's got what it takes to become a supermodel?
"Well you see, if you had the answer to that, you'd make a lot of money. It's really indefinable. It's so much about mystique and personality and meeting the right people at the right time and being in a creative group that flourishes at the same time. There are plenty of girls that I've represented over the years that - had they been in a different place at a different time - could possibly have been a star. It just depends on how you manage to excite people and what your story is. The fashion business is a bit cyclical. One season it will be all about blue-blood girls from posh public schools, but the next thing will be street cred from the gutters of the Gorbals, or something. You have to go with it. If the story is applicable the girl has a chance of becoming more household. We all kind of denigrate the skill that models have, and because it appears easy when someone does it well, you think: 'That job's a piece of piss. It's only walking or standing there, looking pretty'. But it's the ones who do something special with it, who maintain and continue to excite people in front of the lens that have a long career and do well with it."
 
Wow ... thanks so much, *Bianca*, xPedro and model mom ... for this great information! :flower: :flower: :flower:

Karma coming your way .... B)
 
Just a reminder ... talk about models' weight is not allowed at tFS ... so i had to delete a whole bunch of posts ... sorry ... it's the rules.

So you know ... measurements and clothing sizes are what are important in modeling. They will take your measurments and see if they fall within what they want.
 
Those were some good, intelligent posts too.............................
 
While browsing through agencies' websites in Hong Kong, Singapore, etc., as well as keeping in mind that this is of course the Asian market, I noticed that they have quite a handful of local/Asian models who are of average height (usually 5'5 to 5'6 but I've seen they actually have models signed with the agency at 5'1!). Out of curiosity, I checked out the work that these models have on their portfolio and obviously, it's mostly print (magazine eds and such) work but it isn't necessarily a bad thing. I was just wondering if anyone has any advice/comment about this?

I know some people who can fit in the market (Asian/Pan-Asian) but aren't very tall (same as the average heights mentioned above) and I'm thinking whether or not it would be best to advice these friends to send photos to international Asian modeling agencies.

In Hong Kong,the average height of the famous runway models is 5'8.While those editorial models are usually shorter(5'5 to 5'6),but it really depends on the magazines.High fashion magazines use taller girls.
BTW,which HK agencies did u browse?Some of the HK modelling agencies are not up to standard...
And I think most Hongkongers are not very tall,average 5'5,so I think that's why short "models" can survive in HongKong.
 
This is probably a stupid question but do you need to be from.. say America if you wanted to possibly sign with an American agency?
 
^ that's a great question. You don't need to be american to be signed with an american agency. However, you *do* need a work visa. There are two possible categories in which a model can get a work visa in the united states. The first and most common is the H1-b the specialty workers visa. The H1-B groups, IT workers, Lawyers, Doctors, Models, and other workers to possess special skills. You need 16 tearsheets and a slew of letters to apply for this. And only 65,000 new H1-B's are granted a year. The second type of Visa is the 0-1 visa, and that is the extrordinary artist visa. You need alot more tear sheets and alot of more letters to get this one. It's the BEST visa to have as a model.
 
^^ adding on, the agency typically arranges the work visa/permit for you so no need to worry about the details really. Also, many models don't have legal permits except for trickier countries where it's harder to lie your way through customs. For example, I know many girls who only have permits for the USA though they also work in the UK, Italy, France, Japan, Russia, etc.

Also last time I saw a girl get a visa in the states, all that was required was a letter from the USA agency informing them of the request for her employment. She'd never done work before so no tear sheets either.

What makes one visa better than another by the way?
 
^For the H1-B visa you can only apply once a year (I think it's April) and it's only given out once a year. (I believe it's around September or October)

If you have what is needed for the 0-1 visa, you can get it much faster.
 

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