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here's an article from WSJ on plus sized clothing

Dressing Women
Of a Certain Size
August 21, 2008; Page D1

The average woman's size in the U.S. approximates a 14, but fashion designers generally don't make anything larger than a size 12. It doesn't take an economist to see that supply is out of kilter with demand for large-size designer duds.

This is precisely the opportunity that Tadashi Shoji saw when he began offering his collections in sizes up to 24. "It's money dangling in front of your eyes," he says.


Mr. Shoji is best known for svelte eveningwear of the sort that he'll show on the runway during New York fashion week next month.

Tadashi collection cocktail dresses and gowns tend to be figure-flattering, with gathers called ruching, darts and shutter pleats coyly masking all manner of flaws. These designs often show up on celebrities, helping to generate Mr. Shoji's high-end reputation.

He says, grinning, that the queen-size version of his Tadashi collection now accounts for about $5 million of Tadashi Shoji & Associates Inc.'s $60 million in annual revenue.

Queen Latifah is a frequent customer. Although her weight fluctuates, she is generally a size 16, he says. Phone calls to the representatives of the singer and actress weren't returned.

Where do you find well-made, stylish clothes in sizes that fit you? What do you need that you're not finding? Discuss.
I've spent months asking people in the fashion industry why large sizes are so rare. Designer Elie Tahari explained last year that it's expensive to offer bigger sizes, which require more fabric, as well as special patterns and a separate "fit" model, a model whose standard proportions are used to fit the clothes.

Mr. Tadashi, however, says large women are willing to pay extra for designer duds. His queen-size dresses retail for roughly $350 to $800, about 10% to 15% more than his standard sizes.

Perhaps more important, fashion-industry people are often fixated on their own ideals of beauty. Many designers just don't want to see their clothes on big people -- and many stores are complicit, displaying tiny sizes and keeping larger ones in back. Paige Adams-Geller, a former fit model for many high-end jeans manufacturers, told me in March that she urged designers to consider how their clothes would look on a woman who wore, for instance, a size 10.

"And the designer would say, 'Well, I don't want someone who is that size,' " she said, " 'They shouldn't be wearing my brand.' " Ms. Adams-Geller turned that into a profitable business, Paige Premium Denim, selling jeans for up to size 28 -- or "4X." "I'm like, there's a lot of people out there that size with money to spend," she said.

Sometimes, what fashion calls "plus" size seems out of sync with real life. I recently received an email from a "plus-size" model who noted that she wears a size 8 pant. That's my size. Gulp.

When Denise Brodey came on board as editor-in-chief of Fitness magazine two years ago, she began demanding that the magazine use real-size models. The magazine, she says, "was not a reflection of what's going on in the world out there."

At first, she says, Fitness struggled to find clothes since the designer samples were all too tiny for the new models. "The only thing that really works is shoes and handbags," says Celeste Brown-Wright, the magazine's fashion director.

But Ms. Brown-Wright says she now relishes working with women who devour pizza during fashion shoots. "They smile!" she says.

The first time I came across Tadashi Shoji's plus-size gowns, I was visiting myShape.com, an online retailer with an innovative sales approach: They take women's measurements and suggest clothing to fit. MyShape uses real women as models -- in every shape, size, age and color. They had a warehouse rack full of Mr. Shoji's big-size gowns.


Evans Vestal Ward for The Wall Street Journal
Cocktail dress on model Nancy Kruse is adjusted by Tadashi Shoji.
Mr. Shoji employs a size-18 fit model named Nancy Kruse to come to his Los Angeles studio several times a week for fittings. Because his "queen-size" garments are based on her proportions, she's careful to keep her measurements -- 48-39-48 -- from fluctuating. "You can screw up someone's company if you go up and down all the time," Ms. Kruse says. The model, who drives a shiny, white BMW, says she has a don't-ask-don't-tell deal with her doctor: "If I hear my weight, I'll want to lose weight and then I'll be poor."

Mr. Shoji trained as an artist in Japan before coming to the U.S. to make his fortune in fashion. He began making queen-size gowns about five years ago, after buyers from Saks asked if he'd be willing to make certain items from his collections in bigger sizes. Today, they're sold in the plus-size departments of stores that include Saks and Bloomingdale's, along with big-size garments from Anne Klein, Ellen Tracy, Harari, and Magaschoni.

Mr. Shoji adjusts the garments to offer more coverage for wide bra straps, less plunging necklines and extra coverage for the upper arms. Shoulder pads are often wider to de-emphasize hips.

He has ordered a garment-dummy custom-made to Ms. Kruse's dimensions to use for fittings when she isn't available.

The clothes are cut and sewn in Shanghai, where it has proved difficult to find a fit model with voluptuous curves. Hence, Mr. Shoji purchased shapely hip and breast pads at Frederick's of Hollywood and shipped them to Shanghai for the factory's model.

"Certain people have said, 'This is not our image,' " says Mr. Shoji. "But I said, 'We can sell it -- why not? ... We aren't doing art -- this is commerce.' "
pictures > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121927434244858375.html?mod=rss_Fashion_Jour
 
^ And good for him. I seem to remember his stuff being very popular in Salon Z when I used to go with a friend ...
 
I just wish someone did think of it as art instead of commerce...then we might get some truly spectacular dresses. I wish I'd kept the lookbook of Versace's Versatile plus range so you could see what I mean by spectacular, but alas, that line got dropped years ago now and will never be resuscitated...
 
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I like Tadashi's dresses, although I've never purchased one because they don't seem to trickle down to the Off Fifths w/Salon Z sections. I had better luck w/Carmen Marc Valvo -- I bought a black and white lace dress I wore to my national convention in 2006 and an off-white duchesse satin skirt I've still never worn.

In terms of the article, I figured the writer would use QL as an example of a well-known full-figured client. QL is somebody who the WSJ's readers would recognize.
 
^ I guess that means his stuff is selling really well, which is a good sign. IMO a couple of the dresses/models weren't paired well in the photos I posted.

I like Alber's philosophy that the dress should showcase the woman.
 
That stuff is really pretty!! I especially love the first dress and that last red one. Hot hot hot!! One thing I do hate about some plus size clothing is the names they use..why is is called Queen size?? It just feels sort of belittling somehow. I would just rather they use plus size or something more descriptive.
 
It sure does not make me feel like royalty to buy "Queen size" stockings, perhaps my thighs have blue blood and I haven't noticed!

Do any of you know where to find boots? I've always been fascinated with boots but haven't worn them since I was a slimmer teenager, since I have not been able to find them (I once went to a Torrid store and tried to tried them all but none fit) and I am deadly afraid of buying them online for the same reason. Any suggestions? I am looking for elegant high heeled boots, rain boots and casual, flat boots. <3
 
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To the boot issue, I'm not sure who has extended calf versions. I know that J. Crew had extended-calf boots at one time, as did Ann Taylor.

Switching subject, here is MG @ Carolina Herrera. Not sure if I like this dress; it seems a bit heavy for this transitional season. But the vert anis Birkin makes everything better.

PHOTO CREDIT: Style.com

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Can I ask a question,and my apologies if this has been asked time and time again...but what consitutes plus size? :) Because I'm a little vague as to what the first size to be plus size is,if any of that makes sense (probably not)
 
Can I ask a question,and my apologies if this has been asked time and time again...but what consitutes plus size? :) Because I'm a little vague as to what the first size to be plus size is,if any of that makes sense (probably not)

From a U.S. department store sense, it's generally 14W to 24W Women's sizes are traditionally cut wider than misses' sizes. Some people also make extended misses sizes, which generally are 16, 18, and 20, and there's a junior plus category which I know very little about. I am in my mid-40s, so I've aged out of anything juniors.
 
^^If you mean in terms of the models, US agencies rep girls that are mostly size 8-18. For the most part, the average model size is 12-14, so yes they are smaller than the clothes they are paid to wear.
 
There is also a size 12W. The definition has to do with how the garment is cut, i.e., bigger through the upper arm, vs the size of the garment itself. You could have a larger misses' garment that is bigger than a smaller plus garment.
 
not only a vert anis birkin, but a croc one no less!

As for the boot issue, I can sympathize. Even very slim people can have issues with boots (our member GuessGirl is quite tiny, and has had boot troubles in the past), a problem aggravated by the fact that if you have smaller feet, you can still have bigger calves. Of course, it depends on your size, but my best suggestion would be to find a style you like and that is just slightly too small for you, and then take it to a cobbler to get stretched. Obviously, if there is no way it is going to ever fit your calf, stretching won't do much good, but if there's a chance that it's just a wee bit too small, stretching could help you out. But I have this same problem, and I just avoid boots in general because I don't want to be sitting there trying and tugging to get it up my calf.
 
I always love how Oprah assigned jobs to the models used in that spread - not saying the jobs aren't legit sometimes...but what's wrong with being called a model? Besides that, the line is $$$$$$$$.

Anyone seen the Essence with Mo'Nique and the huge amount of plus editorial?? Thoughts?
 
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