The Vegetarian & Vegan Thread

Melisande said:
Miss Sakura, at a famous Zen vegan restaurant here I had raw coconut sashimi...raw coconut slices you dip in soysauce and wasabi...it was a dream....mmmm:heart:

coquito nuts sound so good...:blush:

Ah, that sounds so delicious. I wish we had restaurants like that over here.
By the way, habe never heard of the coquito nuts before. I don't think they are available anywhere here.
 
Crakk said:
OK! Thanks Irene. Im not dumb, :p I was just wondering. I thought the body burned protein in all cases, not just when the body went into starvation mode. So if you eat more complex carbs, your body will burn more?

I'll try to explain it the best I can without being boring: When you eat, you get a combination of carbs, fat, proteins and other things such as minerals and vitamines, I'll concentrate in the first three. The carbs, fats and proteins contained in food are complex molecules our digestive tube can't absorb, so digestion consists in transforming them into smaller molecules. Carbs are transformed into glucose, fructose and galactose (which are always transformed into glucose before they can be burnt for enery). Fats are transformed into fatty acids. Proteins are transformed into amionacids. All of these are absorbed and end up in the portal vein, which communicates the digestive system with the liver.

The liver is extremely important because it distributes nutrients in our body. First thing we use is glucose (carbs), our cells prefer it more than anything else and they need insuline to be able to pick it up from blood (with a few exceptions like neurones). When we eat, the liver distributes a small amount of glucose throughout the body and it also accumulates a small part in the form of glycogen (is the way we store carbs). Glycogen is stored in the liver and in the muscle, but the glycogen in the muscle is only for muscular use, glycogen in the liver is for general use.

All of this happens to a small part of the glucose we eat. What's the reason for it? Some cells, such as brain cells, can't function with anything but glucose (this is not entirely true, they can use other things but only in the case of starvation and it has side effects), so it's extremly important that levels of glucose in blood are constant. If our body consumed all the glucose we eat, brain cells would die. That means than just after we eat there's a big secretion of insuline but then insuline levels decrease and our cells start using fat for energy in order to leave the carbs that are left just for the brain.

Fat is "better" than carbs since a single molecule of fatty acid provides a lot more energy than a molecule of glucose (but if our cells could choose they'll always chose glucose! there's no logical explanation for it). This is the main reason why we store energy as fat and not carbs, because in the same amount of fat there's a lot more energy than in carbs. So, about two hours after a meal insuline levels decrease and all our cells except neurones start working only with fat.

Summary: carbs are the fuel we use just after a meal but then we start using fat and leave carbs for brain cells and as a storage in the form of glycogen. If we eat too much carbs, since the liver can't store big amounts of glycogen and blood levels of glucose can't be too high, we transform it into fat in order to store it.

Proteins don't have to do with any of this. They are absorbed as amionacids. There are two kinds of aminoacids: essential and non-essential. Essential amionacids are the ones our body can't create, so that means we can only get them from the diet. Non-essential amionacis can be created by our cells. So, when we eat proteins the amionacids are degraded in order to create our own or, if they are essential, are used just the way they are. With amionacids we create our own proteins and they have loooooooots of very important functions in our body, from merely structural to immunologycal. Amionacids are never used as fuel unless our body has no carbs and fat (well, it will have fat, but it's mostly used to create ketonic bodies, the other thing brain cells can use to get energy), and that happens only in very advanced starvation.

To answer your question, your body burns what it needs and it doesn't have anything to do with how complex are the molecules you need. Eating more complex carbs it's not different than eating simpler ones in terms of energy, because in the end they are all reduced to glucose before they are absorbed.

Hope I've explained myself crearly and in case it's considered to be against the rules I can always PM you.
 
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FashionGrrrrl said:
I thought the body gets its energy from a combination of carbs, protein and fat? Carbs are the most readily burned, protein provides more sustained energy...dunno about how fat is used. I've read from many sources that it's best to include a bit of each in every meal (I emphasize healthy unsaturated fats such as olive oil) or at least to spread them out throughout the day.

Just the contrary ^_^ , fat provides more sustained energy.
 
WOW! TY alot Irene, you really cleared things up for me! I LOVE bread, but i have cut back alot..LOL..i know it isnt too good for me, in excess of course. Anymore questions, i will surely PM you! :D
 
Ooh who know there was a whole other world of coconutty goodness out there waiting to be explored! I'll have to check that restaurant out when I go to Tokyo :) Those mini coconuts look good....why does coconut taste so much like walnut anyway. Mmm..nut...
 
Velony said:
I was wondering if it's really the case that vegetarians don't wear leather because most of the veggies I know do, including me. I wear leather shoes and also have a leather jacket but I don't eat meat at all and would still consider myself a veggie. I thought it was only the vegans who also exclude all leather products and fur etc. Or maybe it's just a personal thing.

I dont eat dairy (unless ice cream), eggs, chicken, meat of anykind... but i still wear leather, i dont wear fur though.. and i eat fish.....

I consider myself a vegetarian.
 
FashionGrrrrl said:
I thought the body gets its energy from a combination of carbs, protein and fat? Carbs are the most readily burned, protein provides more sustained energy...dunno about how fat is used. I've read from many sources that it's best to include a bit of each in every meal (I emphasize healthy unsaturated fats such as olive oil) or at least to spread them out throughout the day.

Slightly unrelated but bananas are like a magical food, they give me energy for so long. I don't know how they do it. :)

I find bananas are great for energy too! I always eat one before work if I know I won't be getting my lunch break for a while or if I know I'm about to work out! :)
 
elegantly_wasted said:
I dont eat dairy (unless ice cream), eggs, chicken, meat of anykind... but i still wear leather, i dont wear fur though.. and i eat fish.....

I consider myself a vegetarian.

Pescatarian. Fish are alive...and not a vegetable.
 
^ I get so sad when I see whole fish at the fish market :( it's like their little eyes are looking at you :(
 
misssakura said:
Pescatarian. Fish are alive...and not a vegetable.

I like the sound of that... mainly because Pescado in spanish means fish..
I need the protein since i do weight training for toning :)
 
Crakk said:
WOW! TY alot Irene, you really cleared things up for me! I LOVE bread, but i have cut back alot..LOL..i know it isnt too good for me, in excess of course. Anymore questions, i will surely PM you! :D

Whenever you want ^_^.
 
elegantly_wasted said:
I like the sound of that... mainly because Pescado in spanish means fish..
I need the protein since i do weight training for toning :)

unless you're doing weight training to become a body builder, you're more than likely getting more than enough protein. the majority of america takes in far more protein than their body actually can utilize, and realisitcally, your body can't process whole proteins anyway, it can only build it's own from various amino acids...the idea that we are lacking in protein is widely misreported, you'd be better served trying to find out what vitamins, minerals and phytochemicals you lack.

AND that entire point aside, there are plenty of vegetarian sources of protein.
 
Irene_A said:
Just the contrary ^_^ , fat provides more sustained energy.


calories are energy. doesn't matter what kind. some better serve your body than others though.
 
misssakura said:
Pescatarian. Fish are alive...and not a vegetable.

I wish people would understand that - I'm tired of being asked, "Do you eat fish?" after telling people I am a vegetarian.
 
It is annoying. People even sometimes ask if I eat poultry.
 
^Same here, which is equally annoying. Also annoying is when people tell me things like, "Just have a bite of (insert meat here)! It won't hurt!"
 

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