Why is French Vogue so exciting? Merci, Fabien Baron & Carine Roitfeld!!!

[breathe0xygen]

iconemod, I don't think everyone needs to agree with you. Each to his/her own opinion.=)

 

[iconemod]

iconemod, I don't think everyone needs to agree with you. Each to his/her own opinion.=)

Sure darling, sure...

 

[kimair]

Bold characters irriate you that much? Do you imagine I am shouting by putting bold? Wrong... Wrong.... It's for not having this monotonous font, only.

Weak is your vision.

typing in all caps online is considered shouting...it's a very widely known rule.

and please do not insult other tFS members..we want to keep this discussion lively and interesting and not resort to name calling and insults. as breathe said, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and not everyone on this board is a roitfeld fan.

now, back to the topic at hand, i think she is doing a good job at french vogue and frankly i can't say another editor currently working could do a better job. i loved liz tiberis at harpers and i also liked kate betts at harpers, and i also like italian vogue. i can't even begin to compare anna wintour to carine, it's pointless. but then again, american magazines are working with more restrictions than european ones in terms of the american audience and nudity/sexuality/sensuality, etc. i wonder how carine would do at US Vogue...

 

[iconemod]

typing in all caps online is considered shouting...it's a very widely known rule.

and please do not insult other tFS members..we want to keep this discussion lively and interesting and not resort to name calling and insults. as breathe said, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and not everyone on this board is a roitfeld fan.

. i wonder how carine would do at US Vogue...

Finally we got back to the topic.. Ok, I will slow down a bit.
I guess Carine wouldn't mind the American mentality towards sexuality , she would keep her identity on and on

 

[metal-on-metal]

I think French Vogue under Carine has generally been pretty dismal. They've excelled at creating an exciting and dynamic front-of-the-book but the editorials are often sorely lacking. They are pretentious, contrived, and boring. Carine is a stylist, not an editor-in-chief. I'm sure she'd be great as a fashion director but you can't be at the helm of a magazine without journalistic interest and experience. Baron's art direction is certainly more graceful than that of his predecessors, M/M Paris. But it's not enough to save the magazine.

French Vogue fails to serve the needs of the average French woman in the way, say, American Vogue does for American women. It's just an arty catalog really. With a lot of sad, dumpy stories styled and photographed in a myriad of 'weird' ways. That may work for Another Magazine or self-service, but French Vogue's mission should be to serve a target reader, not to alienate her. I don't think that French women are interested in French Vogue anymore. They don't relate to it because it is so far removed from their world. This is reflected in the magazine's embarrassingly low circulation, probably the lowest of the leading international editions of the magazine. But, of course, it's more satisfying for Carine to continually publish an avant-garde zine for her little clique of friends than to create a publication out of a genuine desire for journalistic service. If Conde Nast wasn't funding her outrageous vanity project the plug would've been pulled years ago.

The magazine under Joan Juliet Buck (Carine's predecessor) was graceful, stylish, and elegant. It was never hip or edgy but it never needed to be. I miss those days a lot.

 

[iconemod]

to create a publication out of a genuine desire for journalistic service.
The magazine under Joan Juliet Buck (Carine's predecessor) was graceful, stylish, and elegant. It was never hip or edgy but it never needed to be. I miss those days a lot.

Ok, we have here two opposite concepts:

1)a genuine desire for journalistic service
2) the way it is communicated ("graceful, stylish, and elegant")

Could you please explain what you mean with 1) ?
How would you define, in detail, the average french (and parisian) woman???

 

[brian]

French Vogue fails to serve the needs of the average French woman in the way, say, American Vogue does for American women. It's just an arty catalog really. With a lot of sad, dumpy stories styled and photographed in a myriad of 'weird' ways. That may work for Another Magazine or self-service, but French Vogue's mission should be to serve a target reader, not to alienate her. I don't think that French women are interested in French Vogue anymore. They don't relate to it because it is so far removed from their world. This is reflected in the magazine's embarrassingly low circulation, probably the lowest of the leading international editions of the magazine. But, of course, it's more satisfying for Carine to continually publish an avant-garde zine for her little clique of friends than to create a publication out of a genuine desire for journalistic service. If Conde Nast wasn't funding her outrageous vanity project the plug would've been pulled years ago.

... thank you!!!

 

[dior4ever]

You are so wrong and how do you no if french women read vogue paris , every mag has there target, if it was for that certain french girl you imagine then im sure they go and buy cosmo the american one preferably but i agree that american vogue shows the us girls.and i dont c what her friends have to do in this

 

[hugobossdaria]

i really like the covers of french vogue

 

[Spacemiu]

personally I liked it more with M/M Paris.

 

[metal-on-metal]

personally I liked it more with M/M Paris.

I love M/M Paris, too. I just don't think it's right for this particular magazine.

 

[metal-on-metal]

Could you please explain what you mean with 1) ?

Ideally (or perhaps idealistically), a magazine exists for a purpose of serving a reader. But French Vogue fails in that because it's edgy pretensions are way above the heads of their target reader.

How would you define, in detail, the average french (and parisian) woman???

I don't think that's possible. Just in the same way you can't define the average American woman or the average reader of American Vogue. She's old, she's young, she's fat, she's thin, she's rich, she's poor, she's smart, she's not so smart. But Carine's magazine pigeonholes itself to an insane degree. Do you honestly think anyone outside of fashion actually picks up French Vogue? And actually enjoys it? I don't think so.

 

[metal-on-metal]

You are so wrong and how do you no if french women read vogue paris , every mag has there target, if it was for that certain french girl you imagine then im sure they go and buy cosmo the american one preferably but i agree that american vogue shows the us girls.and i dont c what her friends have to do in this

You don't have to believe me or agree with me. But the numbers don't lie. French Vogue's circulation hovers around 100,000--pitifully low for a magazine of its stature.

 

[Jadee]

I think French Vogue under Carine has generally been pretty dismal. They've excelled at creating an exciting and dynamic front-of-the-book but the editorials are often sorely lacking. They are pretentious, contrived, and boring. Carine is a stylist, not an editor-in-chief. I'm sure she'd be great as a fashion director but you can't be at the helm of a magazine without journalistic interest and experience. Baron's art direction is certainly more graceful than that of his predecessors, M/M Paris. But it's not enough to save the magazine.

French Vogue fails to serve the needs of the average French woman in the way, say, American Vogue does for American women. It's just an arty catalog really. With a lot of sad, dumpy stories styled and photographed in a myriad of 'weird' ways. That may work for Another Magazine or self-service, but French Vogue's mission should be to serve a target reader, not to alienate her. I don't think that French women are interested in French Vogue anymore. They don't relate to it because it is so far removed from their world. This is reflected in the magazine's embarrassingly low circulation, probably the lowest of the leading international editions of the magazine. But, of course, it's more satisfying for Carine to continually publish an avant-garde zine for her little clique of friends than to create a publication out of a genuine desire for journalistic service. If Conde Nast wasn't funding her outrageous vanity project the plug would've been pulled years ago.

The magazine under Joan Juliet Buck (Carine's predecessor) was graceful, stylish, and elegant. It was never hip or edgy but it never needed to be. I miss those days a lot.

B) Merci!

 

[iconemod]

You are so wrong and how do you no if french women read vogue paris , every mag has there target, if it was for that certain french girl you imagine then im sure they go and buy cosmo the american one preferably but i agree that american vogue shows the us girls.and i dont c what her friends have to do in this

Completement d'accord with you, I agree dior4ever (even if I don't like Dior at all). Not onlyla Parisienne knows how does it feel like to be in the Louboutins of a French woman (for those thinking only Manolos rule). Indeed, every French woman knows it best!
French Vogue is targeted and even customized for the French woman.

Have you ever lived (not travelled) in Paris???

So, you cannot know that much about the dress-culture-of-everyday-life, even the most average woman in Paris is sharp on individualism.. And that's exactly what makes Carine's work so delightful: She cares about being faithful to oneself instead of following the others.

2) Yeah, Carine's circle of friends is bigger than what people think

 

[liberty33r1b]

iconemod: are you carine roitfeld yourself??? at least thats what it seems like here......
get off, you shouldn't feel so aggressive all the time, relax!! its only a discussion, nothing life-threatening!!

 

[liberty33r1b]

i really like the covers of french vogue

i just LOVE the covers at the moment!!! really great!!

 

[iconemod]

iconemod: are you carine roitfeld yourself???

NO, she wouldn't even bother to read so conservative comments.

get off

Whhhat?? I won't anyway. Be critic-tolerating, "get off" is even more childish than my own hilarious comments (seems that some people are not avant-garde-mature)

 

[Jadee]

French Vogue is targeted and even customized for the French woman.

I'm french and I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement.

Metal on Metal has made a very valid point: if Vogue Paris is so exciting and target so well the french woman how come the sale's number is so bad ?

 

[iconemod]

I'm french and I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement.

Metal on Metal has made a very valid point: if Vogue Paris is so exciting and target so well the french woman how come the sale's number is so bad ?

The mass is not the class.

ps: are you Parisian? if not, from where?