Working in Paris

as a comparison i've looked into full time english teaching jobs in Paris. They pay about 20 euros/hour with the proper credentials, which i will have. They say you will get about 30 hours per week (the full 35 with travel time taken into account). That comes out to 2400 euros per month, and literally anyone can do that job if they are a native english speaker. How can a sales job at a high end retailer pay less when you need a specific set of skills and you generate a lot of revenue?

(i'm not trying to sound frustrated here, it just doesnt make any sense to me if i think of how much could potentially be sold at a Paris fashion store, especially since i know of people here making $100,000 or more per year with ease as a sales associate)
 
Where do you live/work, Hot? I don't know your background, but what you're expecting sounds quite unrealistic in any of the big metropolitan cities I've known and lived in (Tokyo, Paris, NY). And, at this time of recession when the unemployment rate of native French people (like any other country) is at an all time low, what on earth would be the reason that a top high-end company would hire a foreign student with intermediate French, not to mention pay him more than the usual? These are questions you need to ask yourself in order to increase your leverage, not just say "I cannot imagine how I would sell less".

I'm not surprised that teaching English pays more than being an SA at a high-end store; it is the same in Japan. Teaching English requires special skills and credentials, and NOT "literally anyone can do it"; that's an arrogant and false attitude some people have. There are "teachers", and there are teachers. :innocent:

As for apartments, it is the ludicrous reality that the cheapest apartments at 700~800 Euros are tiny (and that is if you're lucky enough to find one available. ) It is too small for any human being...but, everyone learns to live that way in Paris! Or, you can live in the banlieus, you'll find larger spaces there.

I say all this because going with this naive attitude only makes it more difficult for yourself to succeed, especially in Paris. :( But hey, that's one way to learn as well :wink:
 
Where do you live/work, Hot? I don't know your background, but what you're expecting sounds quite unrealistic in any of the big metropolitan cities I've known and lived in (Tokyo, Paris, NY). And, at this time of recession when the unemployment rate of native French people (like any other country) is at an all time low, what on earth would be the reason that a top high-end company would hire a foreign student with intermediate French, not to mention pay him more than the usual? These are questions you need to ask yourself in order to increase your leverage, not just say "I cannot imagine how I would sell less".

I'm not surprised that teaching English pays more than being an SA at a high-end store; it is the same in Japan. Teaching English requires special skills and credentials, and NOT "literally anyone can do it"; that's an arrogant and false attitude some people have. There are "teachers", and there are teachers. :innocent:

As for apartments, it is the ludicrous reality that the cheapest apartments at 700~800 Euros are tiny (and that is if you're lucky enough to find one available. ) It is too small for any human being...but, everyone learns to live that way in Paris! Or, you can live in the banlieus, you'll find larger spaces there.

I say all this because going with this naive attitude only makes it more difficult for yourself to succeed, especially in Paris. :( But hey, that's one way to learn as well :wink:

dont really want to say where i live/ work (North East US to slightly narrow it down); my employer isnt yet aware of my intentions to leave...

what i'm expecting salary wise? Let me be clear, i wouldnt be expecting anything beyond 10 or so euros per hour salary, my assumption is that with commission the take home would be more, simply based on huge city, fashion capital of the world, tourist mecca.

where i live/ work, selling suits and whatnot is a daily occurrence. It is very easy to sell $3000-$7000 per day, if not even more during christmas rush, in a relatively small, non-fashion oriented city. (think about it....$10/ hour base salary, $300 per week on average. In one day sell one $1500 suit at 4% commission, 3 dress shirts at $300 each, 2 paris of jeans at $400 each, 2 pairs of shoes at $500 each and say $500-$1000 worth of smaller stuff...$5000 right there, $200 commission, selling maybe 10-12 items)

why would they hire me? Because my assumption, naive as it may be, is that a Parisian store requires people who can communicate with non-French or English speaking people. My ability to do that plus high end retail experience and success...

in different areas of the world the requirements for an english teacher vary...i should have specified literally anyone with a university degree can do it, especially Asia. In Paris/ Europe you need a certification. Assuming you can pay for that, it really isnt complicated. Having experience in both areas, i'd say those that can sell successfully are fewer and farther in between than those who can teach english.

what are the banlieus?

and of course this might be naive, but i am asking in order to gain knowledge before i go.

but still, my central question hasnt really been answered: assuming i can get a job at a high end store, do they pay commission or a set salary? If they do pay commission, how is it possible that, assuming a similar commission rate (4% or so), one would sell less in the fashion and tourist and shopping capital of the world?

if they dont pay commission, okay then that answers my question, and i'll maybe try to work part time both teaching and selling

(slightly off topic question, but do the stores there offer clothing discounts to employees?)
 
hot ...
i think you should get in touch with Galeries Lafayette or Le Bon Marché or Le Printemps.

http://www.lesgalerieslafayetterecrutent.com/le-site-recrutement-des-galeries-lafayette
(this is the website of Galeries Lafayette jobs ads ...)

I know some shops pay a regular/basic salary + commissions .... The problem is that I have no idea how it works for commission.
That's why I suggest you to contact the shops ....
Say that you are a US student and need a job for a year when you'll come to Sorbonne and you need more informations about the work and salary and commissions system.

You seem to be very motivated (I don't know a lot of people who are ready to do a 35 hrs a week regular job + teach english + study at university ! are we just so lazy ?) ...

Speaking english is indeed very important.
But don't forget you are not the only foreigner in Paris who speak english and several languages and that french do speak english, too (whatever tourists and foreigners say !)

And if you are so attracted by the commission, wht I would suggest is probably work in a small shop ......... where it would be easier to get big commissions !!!!

(yes shops offer clothing discounts to employees !)
 
what are the banlieus?
(slightly off topic question, but do the stores there offer clothing discounts to employees?)

banlieu are suburbs, cities next to Paris (much cheaper but more travel time)
and generally speaking stores do offer discount to employee. The percentage depends on each company. I know Hugo Boss was Cost of goods sold+10%+TVA. Other shop might offer up to 40% (50% maybe).
 
why would they hire me? Because my assumption, naive as it may be, is that a Parisian store requires people who can communicate with non-French or English speaking people. My ability to do that plus high end retail experience and success...



but still, my central question hasnt really been answered: assuming i can get a job at a high end store, do they pay commission or a set salary? If they do pay commission, how is it possible that, assuming a similar commission rate (4% or so), one would sell less in the fashion and tourist and shopping capital of the world?

if they dont pay commission, okay then that answers my question, and i'll maybe try to work part time both teaching and selling

Well i admire your motivation, I'm sure anyone that hires you will be well served. But I think, if you do not mind me saying, you are a bit naive. Paris is a big city, and a city like any other in those times with a lot of an employment and social problems. i hope you are not getting your idea of what Paris is in reality from the style Fashion Spot pages. There will be loads of people in your situation. So come prepared with good money for the first months.

Well in relation to commissions, every shop is different and like Berlin said you have to ask individually, but when a shop sells a lot, to answer your question, they do not give you individual commissions, they may give you a global commission based on the total sales of the month. That's why you will never get a really high wage. Think about it, why would they be interested in paying their employees to make them sell more, if the tourists keep pouring in regardless. But every shop is different so start making calls.
 
I have to agree with Berlin about the English ... almost all people living in Paris speak English ... many are fluent in it, because English is the language of business throughout the world nowadays. However the French won't use it unless they absolutly have to. They always prefer to speak French and prefer that their employees be native Francophones, because they see French as a priority. It's a pride thing .... an attitude about the French language being the best and the most important. So, speaking English as your first language and French as your second is acutally not ideal for securing any job in Paris. Just saying that it's not an asset ... more of a negative that you will have to overcome.
 
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hot ...
i think you should get in touch with Galeries Lafayette or Le Bon Marché or Le Printemps.

http://www.lesgalerieslafayetterecrutent.com/le-site-recrutement-des-galeries-lafayette
(this is the website of Galeries Lafayette jobs ads ...)

I know some shops pay a regular/basic salary + commissions .... The problem is that I have no idea how it works for commission.
That's why I suggest you to contact the shops ....
Say that you are a US student and need a job for a year when you'll come to Sorbonne and you need more informations about the work and salary and commissions system.

You seem to be very motivated (I don't know a lot of people who are ready to do a 35 hrs a week regular job + teach english + study at university ! are we just so lazy ?) ...

Speaking english is indeed very important.
But don't forget you are not the only foreigner in Paris who speak english and several languages and that french do speak english, too (whatever tourists and foreigners say !)

And if you are so attracted by the commission, wht I would suggest is probably work in a small shop ......... where it would be easier to get big commissions !!!!

(yes shops offer clothing discounts to employees !)

well it wouldnt be 35 hours plus teaching plus school...more like 20 hours plus 20 hours teaching plus school...i do want to enjoy Paris as much as i can and not be cooped up for 75 hours of the week :innocent:

i also realize it will be competitive, but i'm willing to put myself out there...
 
Well i admire your motivation, I'm sure anyone that hires you will be well served. But I think, if you do not mind me saying, you are a bit naive. Paris is a big city, and a city like any other in those times with a lot of an employment and social problems. i hope you are not getting your idea of what Paris is in reality from the style Fashion Spot pages. There will be loads of people in your situation. So come prepared with good money for the first months.

Well in relation to commissions, every shop is different and like Berlin said you have to ask individually, but when a shop sells a lot, to answer your question, they do not give you individual commissions, they may give you a global commission based on the total sales of the month. That's why you will never get a really high wage. Think about it, why would they be interested in paying their employees to make them sell more, if the tourists keep pouring in regardless. But every shop is different so start making calls.

i'm generally aware of being naive, that's why i put in the work well ahead of time to get hard answers.

i'll be in Paris for about a week before I head to Cannes for a month, so i'll do some asking around then (end of June)
 
BetteT, I wouldn't necessarily agree that speaking english is something u have to work against, it's definitely viewed as an advantage, however it is only viewed as an advantage if you have a VERY good standard of French. As everyone has said, this is the most important thing, and as an anglophone living and workin in Paris you have to really ensure you speak very good french so that whatever accent you have won't be perceived as a lack of fluency!

On the other hand Hot, I think you do really need to listen to everyone (frustrating as it may be) that you will have to adjust your ideas if you think you can only live in a 40-50 metre square apartment on just a sales advisors salary> I know SA working for high end brands in Galeries Lafayettes, and there is NO way they could afford to live in that kind of space on their own, I think you are forgetting as well that taxes are VERY high here. It might be time to listen to all the people here with practical experience whom while not trying to demoralise you are just encouraging you to be a bit more realistic in your expectations.
I do applaud your motivation however!
 
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hot,
i have been redirected here by berlinrocks :smile:
i would say the most important is that your french is fluent, or at least fluent in the fashion field. the higher end shop do mostly work with comission based salaries but often have conditions. sometimes they will want you to have worked within their company for a certain amount of time or reach a specific sales target. next the comission would be shared with all your colleagues. in terms of salary a sales associate gets payed very poorly in general as most just get paid a basic and set salary. the ones with salaries around 4/5000 Euros/month are often only the managers who themselves often also get the additions based on the store's turnover. if i were to generalise i would say a really good/efficient SA would take home around 2500 Euros/month (in an upper scale shop) just to compare; a Zara sales person here makes around 1000 Euros/month..
hope this is of some help.
best of luck!
 
There is a huge difference in how sales assistants are regarded in North America and many parts of the world - Europe, Asia, etc. I may be incorrect in this statement, but when I was working and living in North America I noticed (and was told, from friends who did retail during university) that there would be a designated 'cashier' person, who would get paid less than people who would actually serve customers on the selling floor. Additionally, I think North America has a culture where sales associates can actually make retail a career out of it, since they get very generous commissions. I'm not sure if this is the case as much in Europe - I know it's not like that in Asia at least (yes, even for the 'expensive, up market' designer stores). Perhaps this is where Hot's confusion is stemming from?

I have some French friends living in Paris now (luckily they are from there and living with their families) who are telling me that the employment situation is pretty dire - one is a design student and has more luck interning unpaid in London than in Paris right now, and another said that no one is hiring in her field (communications) hence she's decided to take a working holiday overseas to improve her English. Although retail may not be as badly hit, Paris is a very competitive city - which I'm sure you know, and although they have a huge influx of tourists, it doesn't make them immune to the general slowdown in the economy and the consumer spending habits.
 
Does anyone here have experience in looking for a job (not an internship) in marketing in the luxury industry?
 
^^ Honestly finding an actual job (CDD or CDI) is very difficult. Most jobs in fashion are usually found through contacts, though that varies depending on what side of fashion you want to work in. Have you tried fashionjobs.fr ?
 
^ That's very true. It's pretty easy to find internships in France because all the jobs that used to be for graduates have been turned into internships for budget reasons. As for actual jobs, fashion companies prefer to hire their interns or people who are already in the company through a promotion. :cry:
 
so, is is official, after the summer I'm moving to Paris!!! Dreaming and planning this for so long, finally I wiill be doing this. I will hae a hard time trying to find a place to live, a job... But I'm ready to give myself a chance.
Do you think if I would volunteer in a fashion week maybe I could possibly get a job after that? I'm thinking I would meet lots of useful people... Maybe someone has experience with that?
 
Oh great, just the thread I was looking for! I will probably do a year of interning n Paris. Its one of my motives to go there for atleast that much time, and work, live, breathe, eat and live the fashion world there.

Has anybody personally worked there - fashion-wise?

Any tips?
 
Does anybody have any useful links where one can browse appartments in Paris for sale/rent (and with rent, I mean renting not over a week but as a full time appartment).
 

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