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[tangerine]

Everyone will please keep on topic and refrain from making defamatory moral judgements. It is fine to disagree if it is done respectfully; name-calling posts will be edited or deleted.

 

[BerlinRocks]

I love fur. I used to have one jacket fur but on a very drunk night, i fall in a "flaque d'eau" (water) and the fur was dead... I tried my best to make it alive but it was really damaged...
but I just wanted to tell (eventhough there's a contre-fur-market) that animals who'll become fur are very well treated...otherwise the fur is not good. to give a REAL/GOOD QUALITY fur, animals are even better treated than are some human being... FULL STOP.
but I guess PETA is talking about those underground-fur-market... they prefer to make you feel guilty showing us some horrible videos of animals being killed in a very horrible way... this kind of fur is not on the catwalks and highstreet shops.

 

[MissTrine85]

i would never in a million years ear fur!

i know i wear leather, and that it might be a doublestandart, but that is how i feel.

 

[sisi01]

Hi somehow I find this VERY hard to believe

I love fur. I used to have one jacket fur but on a very drunk night, i fall in a "flaque d'eau" (water) and the fur was dead... I tried my best to make it alive but it was really damaged...
but I just wanted to tell (eventhough there's a contre-fur-market) that animals who'll become fur are very well treated...otherwise the fur is not good. to give a REAL/GOOD QUALITY fur, animals are even better treated than are some human being... FULL STOP.
but I guess PETA is talking about those underground-fur-market... they prefer to make you feel guilty showing us some horrible videos of animals being killed in a very horrible way... this kind of fur is not on the catwalks and highstreet shops.

 

[BerlinRocks]

^maybe because you've never visited a farm where they produce fur....

 

[misssakura]

It's a misconception that when an animal is unhealthy, the fur suffers. I found this out firsthand with my poor little kitten. The trick is in the food - food with fat and oils in although not nutritionally adequate will preserve the overall look and feel of the coat, making it often difficult to judge the health of the animal on fur alone. Animals in fur farms are often doused in powder that eliminate any mites or skin problems to prevent itching, and as I've seen first hand in the case of rabbit fur farms, they can barely move to scratch if they wanted to. These animals had never seen the light of day.

However, I can't profess to having seen the inside of every fur farm. All I know is that I personally couldn't kill and skin an animal just to promote my own personal 'look' and therefore it makes no sense for me to wear it.

 

[BerlinRocks]

ok, now my own experience.
when i was a teen, I was angry because my mom got 4furs (rebel ages)... i was always telling it's was brutal, bad etc. showing her videos of bad treatment on animals... one day, she became mad and told me "how could you believe this crap? do you really think I buy cheap furs?!" as my mom bought her fur direct from a furfarm, she took me overthere once (on agreement with the owner, she knew)... and I can tell you, that these animals were def. not bad treated and being stuck in a small cage with 50friends of its'. they were in a big farm, of course their area was blocked (otherwise, they left) but their area was enough big for them to have a freedom...

I'm sorry to tell you, fur is like our skin... if you treat it bad, the skin/fur will look bad. so of course they have treatment to have a beautiful fur (like we have mosturizers to take care of our skin! that's what you want : good treatment for animals, non?)
and as i already said (and this is the farmer who told this to me) :
"i treat my animals, better than some people on earth are treated..."

but is it really necessary to talk to against-fur-people as I'm repeating again & again... i'm not talking about CHEAP fur. but REAL GOOD QUALITY FUR... EXPENSIVE FUR...

 

[Whitelinen]

It's nice to hear different opinions, I never knew about the difference between cheap and quality fur.

 

[Graciella]

You know, BerlinRocks, I totally believe you and agree with you, some animals are treated better that humans. I think wearing (expensive) fur is no worse than eating chicken or wearing leather pumps. I will keep wearing my (yes, expensive) furs for ever, since they're sooooo warm...

 

[Dustcakeboy]

YES YES YES!

Fur is the epitome of luxury and let's face it...practicality during those harsh, icy winter months.

 

[La bordélique]

I was a bit annoyed when people were insulting Madonna for wearing the Fendi chinchilla coat and saying "Oh the poor killed animals". Chinchillas aren't even killed so that their fur can be produced. In factories of chinchilla fur, the workers only have to pass their fingers through the chinchilla's fur and the hair would come off very easily. At least, that's what I was told by my "Raw Materials(? Matières premières)" teacher.

 

[Blodeuwedd]

This is such a weird issue for me because I've seen those videos from PETA, and even though they don't curb my meat-eating, their skinning animals alive videos really pains me. Foxes are my symbol, my animal, and to see it mistreated killed me inside. However I do wear leather, and I've seen horrible mistreatment on cows and bulls, especially those that are transported out of India to be slaughtered elsewhere. Why the bias?

I think it just has to do with how other countries view animals in the aspect of making a profit. They have some screwed up human labor laws, it's no surprise that they'll have no regard for animals. I guess in so many ways we're indirrectly involved in a lot of things - if you eat dairy, meat, eggs, fish, if you wear diamonds or if your drive a gas powered vehicle, we're contributing to some sort of damage to another living being. Currently I have a strict diet that my S.O. and I are doing, and it involves a lot of eggs, yogurt, milk, tuna etc, and the knowledge of how these are harvested and how I'm contributing to the demand is really weird in my head. Of course I could go organic, which I've started for a few, but not for all.

 

[MJCouture]

I cannot believe people actually defend the fur industry on a moral level. If you wear fur and don't have any qualms about it, that’s fine your entitled, but you have to preface it by saying that you do not value the life of the animals that you kill for your fur. All of these little stories about how well animals who end up on "quality" coats are treated prior to being murdered do not make it any better (and, furthermore they are incredibly false and if there is any truth to them they do not reflect the majority of the fur industry---both high and low end). Its just funny that people want to make themselves feel better about how bad fur is, instead of just admitting that it is a vice like anything else.

Personally I believe that fur is both immoral and incredibly tacky; an overt sign of pedestrian wealth.

 

[MJCouture]

I was a bit annoyed when people were insulting Madonna for wearing the Fendi chinchilla coat and saying "Oh the poor killed animals". Chinchillas aren't even killed so that their fur can be produced. In factories of chinchilla fur, the workers only have to pass their fingers through the chinchilla's fur and the hair would come off very easily. At least, that's what I was told by my "Raw Materials(? Matières premières)" teacher.

that isn't true. chinchillas are skinned. maybe small fur particles come off when they touched, but in order to make a fur coat you need the skin.

 

[MissyJG]

hmm, i don't like wearing fur but i do own the same gilet sienna wore. does anyone know if it's real. some say it is, some say it isn't. pfff. i love it but i'll put it away if it is..

 

[Blodeuwedd]

that isn't true. chinchillas are skinned. maybe small fur particles come off when they touched, but in order to make a fur coat you need the skin.

I was sort of perplexed when I read that comment, but you're right. It's like petting a long haired cat - depending on the season I could get clunks of hair, but I can't make a coat out of it. You need the hair to stick to the skin - otherwise it would be completely redundant to glue hair particles to a piece of cloth or leather.

Plus most people think certain things are owed to them and are above it - such is the regard many people have for 'lower lifeforms' like animals and nature itself.

 

[Priestess]

I don't wear fur. Never have, never will. I also don't wear leather, or eat meat or use any products that are tested on animals or contain animal products. Personally I think it's morally and ethically wrong to wear fur. I believe in animal rights.

However I also believe people are entitled to their opinions and should not have other people's values enforced upon them. I also believe that if people are going to shut down the fur industry, they need to offer alternatives to the workers within the industry. If you were to shut down the industry outright a lot of people would be left with no way of surviving.

 

[MissyJG]

i was against fur at first. well, i prefered not wearing it, but i was thinking...i do wear leather, and seriously, what is the difference between wearing fur and leather. it's just that fur still has the hairs on the leather...i'm actually asking here. not retorical.

 

[MissyJG]

never mind. stupid question. lol. moving on...

 

[Arielaine]

I don't fur, but I prefer faux fur. I think full-fur coats are creepy (kind of like wearing the animal), but I don't mind fur from time to time.