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[The_Ida]

I don't think the animals care anyway... They're dead, you know.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ Their souls aren't ...

 

[lovepink87]

I only like fur up to a certain point. I personally would never wear an entire jacket made up of fur, but its something small then I suppose it's nice to have because it feels so luxurious and soft.

I was looking something up on ebay once and they had those mink scarfs with the head still attached.. that is just so gross in my opinion.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ I too have never understood that ... I saw a bag once that included a baby crocodile head as part of the clasp. I suppose it's no stranger than having one nailed to the wall above where you're sitting ... perhaps needless to say, there is no taxidermy in my house.

 

[plasticine20]

I only like fur up to a certain point. I personally would never wear an entire jacket made up of fur, but its something small then I suppose it's nice to have because it feels so luxurious and soft.

I was looking something up on ebay once and they had those mink scarfs with the head still attached.. that is just so gross in my opinion.

The fur industry actually makes the most money from selling fur trimmed items, not full coats/jackets. So while wearing only a small piece feels like a small gesture, it's supporting a very large part of the industry.

 

[SnejanaIsMyMuse]

The heads being included in the outfit is outrageous.Fur does feel nice, but I still can't get over a peta video I watched of a fur farm ughghg so sad.

I think by now they should be able to manufacture a faux fur that feels exactly like the real thing.

 

[ravensWood]

Does it really matter what the remains are used for? You're still wearing a dead animal, but one dead animal is better than another dead animal? No, I don't buy into that. And don't you wear leather for fashion purposes?

It doesn't matter what the remains are used for, I think the main issue at the heart of the leather vs. fur debate is that with leather products many people believe the remains are actually used rather than thrown in a dump because nothing else is made from minks or chinchillas or foxes - such as meat or pet food etc.

Please don't have a go at me, I wear leather and I eat meat. I don't wear fur because I live in Australia and it would just be absurd. What I do try to do is always see an argument from as many sides as it has!

Incidentally, the fur/no fur debate is as old as the hills and as boring , how about a discussion on wearing vintage/antique elephant ivory jewelry or not??

 

[Lite_Brite]

^ This is the difference in my mind ... in my climate there is no one (except perhaps someone sleeping under a bridge in the dead of winter) who needs a fur coat. Leather OTOH is incredibly functional for shoes, which we do need--it's very difficult for toxic, unsustainable materials like PVC to compete.

The tanning processes used on the vast majority of leather are extremely toxic and wasteful. It's possible to buy vegetable tanned leather, but otherwise it's just as bad as plastics, with the cruelty to animals on top.

...that said, I wear leather.

I strongly disagree with the stance that if we do one thing that contributes to the suffering of animals, then it is hypocritical to avoid harming animals in other ways, or to advocate for animal rights. As I said I wear leather. It would very difficult and inconvenient for me to stop. But there are a lot of ways where it is fairly easy to avoid animal products. Why would I go out of my way to buy something from which I don't get an enormous amount of use, considering the cost? Most of what I buy isn't fair-trade, organic, sustainable, or even necessary. But instead of aspiring to perfection and guaranteeing one's defeat, I think it's smarter to take small steps, looking for opportunities to at least do the right thing when it is easy. And maybe slowly gaining the maturity to let go of some of these superficial comforts that cause so much pain.

 

[The_Ida]

^ Their souls aren't ...

You can't decide that animals have souls. It's okay for you to believe it, but when you die, you're gone. That's for animals as well. Cold hard fact. They have no consciousness because they are dead, so why would they care?

Re the leather issue Shari Ema:
I guess the higher quality leather comes from cows that are bred for just that and nothing more. I do think you're right, and I don't mind leather, meat or fur at all. Why does it matter what we kill the animals for? We still kill them. They're just as dead no matter if we wear them or eat them.

 

[ravensWood]

^Yes, you are right, once the animal is dead everything else is irrelevant really. But humans do so love to justify their actions!

 

[fashionista-ta]

The tanning processes used on the vast majority of leather are extremely toxic and wasteful. It's possible to buy vegetable tanned leather, but otherwise it's just as bad as plastics, with the cruelty to animals on top.

...that said, I wear leather.

I strongly disagree with the stance that if we do one thing that contributes to the suffering of animals, then it is hypocritical to avoid harming animals in other ways, or to advocate for animal rights. As I said I wear leather. It would very difficult and inconvenient for me to stop. But there are a lot of ways where it is fairly easy to avoid animal products. Why would I go out of my way to buy something from which I don't get an enormous amount of use, considering the cost? Most of what I buy isn't fair-trade, organic, sustainable, or even necessary. But instead of aspiring to perfection and guaranteeing one's defeat, I think it's smarter to take small steps, looking for opportunities to at least do the right thing when it is easy. And maybe slowly gaining the maturity to let go of some of these superficial comforts that cause so much pain.

I agree with you that every step in the right direction is important. And I think your question of whether something is necessary is a good one ...

 

[fashionista-ta]

You can't decide that animals have souls. It's okay for you to believe it, but when you die, you're gone. That's for animals as well. Cold hard fact. They have no consciousness because they are dead, so why would they care?

Re the leather issue Shari Ema:
I guess the higher quality leather comes from cows that are bred for just that and nothing more. I do think you're right, and I don't mind leather, meat or fur at all. Why does it matter what we kill the animals for? We still kill them. They're just as dead no matter if we wear them or eat them.

Interesting how my belief is something I decided, and your belief is cold hard fact

A really interesting book on life beyond this one is Brian Weiss' "Many Lives, Many Masters: The True Story of a Prominent Psychiatrist, His Young Patient, and the Past-Life Therapy that Changed Both Their Lives." It's the story of what happened when a psychiatrist was regressing his patient to childhood (he thought) & she went back further. No one I've told about it has been able to put it down ...

Just remember when you get to the other side & your little dog comes to meet you, how ta-ta told you this would happen

 

[The_Ida]

^Well, it is a fact that we're dead when we die, and we don't say much after that Past-life therapy is not in any way at all considered reliable or credible - it proves nothing. Regression isn't used by proper psychiatrists, not in Denmark anyway. As my psychology professor said it...the subconsciousness can play mean tricks on you

 

[tangerine]

If there is no such thing as past lives - and I am not weighing in on either side - then how can you know what happens after you die? On what is this fact based? If on experience, then there are past lives; if you have no experience with being dead, then you cannot state what the facts are; your guess is only as good as anyone else's.

This is a rhetorical question; no answer needed. This thread is off-topic.

I can't remember if I have said it before, I don't wear fur, but I don't condemn those who do.

 

[Spike413]

If there is no such thing as past lives - and I am not weighing in on either side - then how can you know what happens after you die? On what is this fact based? If on experience, then there are past lives; if you have no experience with being dead, then you cannot state what the facts are; your guess is only as good as anyone else's.

This is a rhetorical question; no answer needed. This thread is off-topic.

I can't remember if I have said it before, I don't wear fur, but I don't condemn those who do.

That's really my whole feeling on the issue.

A lot of people who are against fur have a tendency to judge people who do wear fur quite harshly. It's not just a matter of them disagreeing with and disliking that you wear fur, but in their eyes you become a terrible person if you do.

That's completely unfair because you don't usually hear people who do wear fur condemning those who don't, so why should those who don't be justified in condemning those who do?

It's only because they feel that wearing fur is wrong.

 

[allegra]

A really interesting book on life beyond this one is Brian Weiss' "Many Lives, Many Masters: The True Story of a Prominent Psychiatrist, His Young Patient, and the Past-Life Therapy that Changed Both Their Lives." It's the story of what happened when a psychiatrist was regressing his patient to childhood (he thought) & she went back further. No one I've told about it has been able to put it down ...

I just looked this up and it sounds really interesting - I will be reading it soon. Thanks!

 

[SnejanaIsMyMuse]

I agree with alot of the things you people said.I think it's wrong to criticize those who wear fur because it's a personal choice, just like being a vegeterian is a personal choice.I have no right to tell people how they should live so I won't, and I wouldn't want someone doing that to me.

That's why I think peta is kind of a stupid organization.It does good at raising awareness ,but lashing out at people for eating meat or wearing fur/leather/other materials is no better than meat eaters antagonizing vegans.All it does is increase negativity.

 

[starz1]

I LOVE fur.
juicy & chanel fur the most. yum

 

[ms-nietzsche]

I agree with alot of the things you people said.I think it's wrong to criticize those who wear fur because it's a personal choice, just like being a vegeterian is a personal choice.I have no right to tell people how they should live so I won't, and I wouldn't want someone doing that to me.

That's why I think peta is kind of a stupid organization.It does good at raising awareness ,but lashing out at people for eating meat or wearing fur/leather/other materials is no better than meat eaters antagonizing vegans.All it does is increase negativity.

Agreed. PETA is more of a publicity stunt then anything I find, and they lack the leadership and direction to really change anything...

As for criticizing others, everyone picks their own battles with "injustices" in this world, and for some fur isn't one of them.

 

[SnejanaIsMyMuse]

Yep.I have some peta stickers that are just cute and fun to stick in random places, but do I think what they do is right? No.