Balenciaga blacklists Vogue Paris?

[vavavinny]

! That is the best point I have heard all day! *applauds*

 

[vavavinny]

No matter how little or how much power Carine has, it's really a designer/house's decision if they want to send an invite or not. Carine's importance is completely irrelevant here. I can tell you're a big fan of hers, but I'm 100% positive that this story isn't so clear-cut that it's just Ghesquière being childish.

You give a good point; I am sure there is MUCH more to the situation than Ghesquiere just being childish, but I still think the action he took was a bit low and unprofessional. It's the type of obnoxious bitchy behavior that the fashion world should be trying to escape, not embrace. And even if Carine did reveal too much when she was asked why she wasn't at the show, her comments were specifically chosen and, in my opinion, very effective. She played the victim, completely clueless, hurt, backstabbed, betrayed, which makes Ghesquiere look even worse than he already did in the first place. She is just after all a (very sucessful, influential) fashion editor trying to do her job.

 

[style_expert]

may I add that this decision to ban Carine probably has not been made by Ghesquiere personally...I guess that's very unlikely.

 

[vavavinny]

^You may be right, but since he is the creative director and thus the man numero uno at the house, I am guessing he makes a good amount of decisions for the house, including who gets to attend his fashion shows. So, even if he didn't personally make the decision, it is automatically tied back to him specifically because he is the one in charge of Balenciaga. Plus, Ghesquiere, a man who is PAINSTAKINGLY dedicated to detail and perfection, would leave the goings-on at his label up in the air. He seems like the type who is very much in control.

 

[style_expert]

^ the one in charge at Balenciaga is the CEO of Balenciaga, if not the Gucci Group if not PPR

 

[missbluejean]

vavavinny, hold your horses... you are saying that "we don't have the whole story" and yet you are the one calling Balenciaga/Nicolas G. "childish and petty". Don't take this personally but this is just too partial in my opinion. Again, we don't know the whole story...

I can't tell much because I don't have the complete 2009 VP issues but as far as I know, there had been no Balenciaga ads since Aug 09. The last time they used Balenciaga was in the Dec/Jan issue (only in the Cadeaux section and it was luggage). No mention in the Charlotte Gainsbourg article too. So I'm guessing (and agreeing with vavavinny) that this rift has been going on for quite some time now and it just erupted when Carine said that statement.

 

[vavavinny]

I don't mean to seem as adamant as I may come off ! I just don't think it's necessarily fair that a lot of people are blaming Carine and attacking her magazine when a) we don't have the whole story and b) Nicolas Ghesquiere/Balenciaga seem like the agressors in the situation. I must admit that I have a bias in this matter, seeing as I very much admire Carine and her magazine (as if you all couldn't tell before ). I feel as if I am one of the only ones defending her and can't understand what everyone else has against her. I would like to know more details, however. If we can all agree on one thing, it's that we don't have all of the details and facts, just a fragmented picture. There is definitely something missing from this story that we don't know.

I just think this whole incident is so upsetting, especially because Balenciaga and Vogue Paris used to have such tight bonds. Just look at the June/July 2006 issue of the magazine, it's practically the Balenciaga issue! And, prior to this, Ghesquiere's designs always got top heading in the pages of the magazine. I just can't imagine what the issue may be.

 

[Squizree]

There's no way we can tell. The fashion industry is notorious for being superficial and corrupt.
This whole event has dirty fashion politics written all over it, but it's annoying how that original article is probably only saying about 20% of the truth. And Im not sure if we'll ever uncover the rest.

 

[jacquelineo]

From Fashionista

Word on the street, or in the Tuileries, is that French Vogue was blacklisted from Balenciaga via Max Mara. The magazine’s editor-in-chief, Carine Roitfeld, consults, or did consult, for the Italian brand. She allegedly asked Balenciaga for samples for an editorial shoot, and one of the coats ended up at Max Mara’s design studio where it was copied and then sent back to Paris.
Balenciaga’s notoriously strict with their samples — almost everyone has to promise they’ll shoot the head to toe runway look and samples are usually lent out for a day at a time — and when the French label heard about Max Mara, they lost it.
If fashion were a monarchy, Carine would be our queen, so we hate to think she deliberately sent Max Mara the coat, but our sources say it was no mistake.

 

[Salvatore]

Ah ......... !

 

[Ciao!Manhattan]

^that sounds so weird to me.
First, if they only send the samples for one day, how the coat have time to arrive to Roitfeld's office then go to the MaxMara design studio and get back to Roitfeld's desk, which would probably take way more time than 24H. And that would be so lame of MaxMara - because the style of Balenciaga is so different from the MaxMara one that it would be so obvious if they try to do the Balenciaga style.
Sounds like an Agatha Chritie's novel, if you ask me.

almost everyone has to promise they’ll shoot the head to toe runway look

ridiculous. Geshquiere probably thinks he makes the best stuff but what is the interest for a stylist ( and a magazine ) to copy and paste a whole look.

 

[vavavinny]

Wow! Well at least that's something new! Somehow, though, I cannot see Carine deliberately sending MaxMara the coat to copy. That is just dastardly! The way the bit from Fashionista is worded, it sounds like Carine premeditated the whole plan!

Then again, this would explain why Balenciaga would blacklist her and the team from the show... And this story is too detailed and specific to be a fabrication.

I believe some of it, but I can't grasp the fact that Carine would intendedly send Ghesquiere's designs to be copied by another house! That is just lowwwwww! Were they F/W 2011 designs? Because that would be even worse!

The thing is, though, that the asthetics at MaxMara are SO different than the aesthetics at Balenciaga, that they really couldn't copy something and get away with it without being sued.

Still, this is an interesting addition to this saga, and at least we have a bit of an item cluing us into the story, but I think this Fashionista story is part true and part false.

 

[style_expert]

I don't know what to think of the story but whether it's true or not this is the kind of rumor you get when an influential editor-in-chief is doing wellpaid consulting jobs on the side....

I'm just hoping for Carine this story is not true

 

[dajrekshn]

interesting turn in this...

been reading this thread from the start, just loving all the info's i'm learning in here, thanks girls!

 

[Harumi]

And the plot thicken...

 

[Leeroi]

Balenciaga is utterly expensive, so only giving one sample at a time is reasonable. Plus, Balenciaga has been doing this kinda of practice since the beginning, so it's nothing to be surprised about. It's not like Chanel or Dior where they can throw in a rejected jacket to be used in shoots.

If the source is true, shame on Carine.

And although looking at the MaxMara and Balenciaga collections this season, no coats really looked aliked. But, maybe MaxMara wasn't successful at the replication.

 

[Leeroi]

They should make a movie about this.

 

[Salvatore]

They should make a movie about this.

Would be amazing for sure !

 

[Squizree]

I knew there was more to it than just advertising. The fashion industry isn't quite so simple.

Carine's been caught red handed, and she should be punished. It's corrupt and goes against the natural laws of fashion.

 

[jacquelyn paige]

It's interesting to heard that version. If it is true, then it is completely understandable in why they choose to blacklist!