Early Oscar Buzz/Nominations*Update*Complete List of Winners

Odette said:
Nevertheless, I think Charlize doesn't deserve a nomination this year...it's amazing that everytime a young/gorgeous woman plays a poor/desperate/ugly and with a big drama behind her wins an Oscar or gets nominated by it. They had that you put some weight on you doesn't mean that you deserve the Oscars. That's why I think the real winner of the Oscar for best female performance of 2004 is Naomi Watts not Charlize thero who was totally hyped up by the press

*Sorry Odette, its seems like I'm attacking you :blush:, this post is more directed towards the far right of the issue you have discussed*

Oh, don't say that... These actors recieved praise from the Oscars because they (on some level) deserved it. I am sick of hearing everyone saying that just because they did this and that means that's why they got the award. Has anyone ever given a thought to the fact that they these actors actually gave good performances?

Yes, many actors are overlooked and many actors who have gained weight or put on makeup have won awards, but they did all that becasue it was a part of their character.

My main point is that all actors have to go through a course of action in which they have to understand the true essence of their characters to play them as they should- and if it happens that they recieve some kind of distinction while playing fatten-up, uglied-up people than so be it because they gave a damn good performance...

And what about male actors? Where is all the sh** about them being discussed?

*I know I'm rambling and you most probably don't care, but I'm just voicing my opinion*
 
First time a certain genre is portrayed in a mainstream movie doesn't make it NEW or original.....

The problem with the Oscars is they choose OVERHYPED movies that are boring... but that stand out among Hollywood blockbusters....

We're not putting off Keira and the other young actors because they're young and rich.. It HAS nothing to do with their personal life or their power among the industry... It's just that their didn't deliver STELLAR performances.... they deliver a fine performance and TADA they get a nomination and eventually win something....

The way things are going, winning an Oscar isn't that prestigious anymore...!

But if it was to be the most prestigious award in the movie industry (which it IS SUPPOSED to be), then all the nominees and winners are simply overhyped and do not deserve their awards...

I like Nicole Kidman yes, but BEST ACTRESS during that year.. among all the movies that came out COME ON.....! :rolleyes: Give me a break.... I could name a thousand actresses in a leading role that delivered performances that were a MILLION times more breathtaking.....

The Oscars tend to choose beautiful actresses that get down doing dirty ugly roles.... or heroic roles....! It's very ridiculous... or getting awards for accurate imitations...... :rolleyes:

People are getting really passive nowadays... It's so easy to call a good a movie a masterpiece, and a fine actor a best actor.... We find everything fantastic nowadays, the moment it stands out from the stupid teen movies, or pointless violent movie (ex.: Aveon Flux, Big momma, Harry Potter, King Kong, Cheaper by the Dozen...)..... but does that make it SPECTACULAR!?!??! OF COURSE NOT!!!!

There's nothing new or innovative among ALL the nominated movies... same boring way of filming... a pseudo-interesting storyline, decent performances by OVERHYPED actors and actresses...... and voilà you get at least 5 nominations for the same movie...!

Where has our sense of criticism gone.....? Are we all THAT easily satisfied....!? :(
 
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Kimkhuu said:
I can name a handful of people who deserve a best *something* win a thousand times more than these people/movies..., just that they aren't as popular.....

Please do so...
There are the obvious ones...
No Best Picture nomination for Walk the Line
Maria Bello not nominated for A History of Violence
Only one acting nominee from Crash (Matt Dillon)
Poor showing for King Kong (four nods)
Then there are also the ones that were anticipated but...
Scarlett Johansson not nominated for Match Point
Russell Crowe not nominated for Cinderella Man

Every year there are always exceptions and snubs where people's work are overlooked...
ALSO, you can't just have a good movie nowadays to recieve honor... you have to have a body of work, the right marketing, the right story, the box office in correspondence to the actual film/budget, oh the list goes on...
It can't ALWAYS be fair...
 
LoveMyBoots said:
Please do so...

i'll just name a few deserving movies, otherwise it would take me an ETERNITY..:

C.R.A.Z.Y
Petit pow pow noel
La neuvaine
L'audition
A message from Fallujah
Vas, vis et deviens

.....
 
Kimkhuu said:
i'll just name a few deserving movies, otherwise it would take me an ETERNITY..:

C.R.A.Z.Y
Petit pow pow noel
La neuvaine
L'audition
A message from Fallujah
Vas, vis et deviens

.....
But the Oscar is not about awarding the best films/actors in the world, it's about awarding the best Hollywood productions/actors (with the slightest nod to the 'rest of the world').
Hollywood produces pretty much the worst movies around (art-wise). Some of their actors are wonderful (Keitel, Blanchet, De Vito, Hunter, Harris, Huston and so much more) but the nominations hardly ever make any sense anyway. I love the way BBM is described as utterly original and ground-breaking as if that subject has never been treated before (and way better for that matter). This is a typically 'Hollywood reaction'. The we-are the-center-of-the-world kind of thinking.
I think it's much better to consider and appreciate the Oscar for what they really are: a nice fashion show doubling as a brownie point give away to those who made the best contribution the American entertainment industry this year.
If you're about cinema, watch elsewhere.
 
To me, Oscars = mediocre industry people celebrating among themselves and shoveling awards to those who are the most decent among them....
 
Kimkhuu said:
People are getting really passive nowadays... It's so easy to call a good a movie a masterpiece, and a fine actor a best actor.... We find everything fantastic nowadays, the moment it stands out from the stupid teen movies, or pointless violent movie (ex.: Aveon Flux, Big momma, Harry Potter, King Kong, Cheaper by the Dozen...)..... but does that make it SPECTACULAR!?!??! OF COURSE NOT!!!!

Oh.. I liked King Kong and Harry Potter :ninja: I thought they were really good movies actually.

I think in terms of snubs.. I don't get why Ralph Fiennes was not generating buzz leading up to the Oscars while Rachel Weisz was getting all the attention.. and we know when it comes to the Oscars.. its all about the buzz :innocent: ... in terms of due actresses with great performances this year... Joan Allen was also snubbed.
 
I strongly think that BBM is an excellent film and Heath Ledger's performance is outstanding, really good. It's one of the most moving film I've seen. Now you can all start calling me crazy or say the movie is absolutely slow and boring and overhyped, but that's not what I think.
The fact that film is American,based on a short story/book and with famous actors on it doesn't mean it's crap or over hyped.
I watch the same amount of Hollywood films as of European films, I enjoy European films much more and they usually bring another side to it, new points of view. But the few American films I like per year simply 4-5 but usually haunt me for a few weeks and re-re-rewatch them.
 
CharlottefromCA said:
Oh.. I liked King Kong and Harry Potter :ninja: I thought they were really good movies actually.

I think in terms of snubs.. I don't get why Ralph Fiennes was not generating buzz leading up to the Oscars while Rachel Weisz was getting all the attention.. and we know when it comes to the Oscars.. its all about the buzz :innocent: ... in terms of due actresses with great performances this year... Joan Allen was also snubbed.

You have nothing to be ashamed of. Just because a film has a large budget and extreme marketing doesn't mean there isn't an artistic vision or quality in story. "King Kong" was remade with Peter Jackson, one of the best directors out there. Not to mention the great performances by not just Naomi Watts and the underrated Andy Serkis (provided to animation for Kong), but also great supporting performances by Adrien Brody and Jack Black. "Harry Potter" is always well-written and mostly faithful to the vision of JK Rowling...

And I totally agree with your assertion about Ralph Fiennes.
Then there are those columnists for so-and-so newspaper who argue that it's all because of the lack of roles and superior performances amongst female thespians and the stiff competition amongst male performances. :sick:
 
Odette said:
I strongly think that BBM is an excellent film and Heath Ledger's performance is outstanding, really good. It's one of the most moving film I've seen. Now you can all start calling me crazy or say the movie is absolutely slow and boring and overhyped, but that's not what I think.
The fact that film is American,based on a short story/book and with famous actors on it doesn't mean it's crap or over hyped.

Well to each their own.... :wink:

I am not bashing any movie simply because it's american, big budget, famous actors..... It's mainly because it's (IMO) lacking creative content, creative way of filming... That's it.... :flower:
 
It seems, Kimkhuu, that you should be criticizing the Academy's guidelines and although the voters of the Academy tend to go for the traditional-Oscar stuff, there are simply too many restrictions that forces many foreign films and producers out of the recognition they deserve.
 
IMHO, an amusing piece from Time magazine.

10 Awards They Missed
The Oscar categories we wish the Academy would recognize
By DESA PHILADELPHIA AND REBECCA WINTERS KEEGAN

1. So Those Acting Lessons Finally Paid Off Award

—Pierce Brosnan: O.K., so he didn't get nominated. But thanks to a Golden Globe nomination for The Matador, this ex-Bond man finally got a license to act.

—Matt Dillon: 23 years later, he finally gets past the "Let's do it for Johnny" scene in The Outsiders, with a best supporting actor nod for Crash.

—Keira Knightley: This Brit can't skate by being mistaken for Winona Ryder forever. Thank God she earned a best actress nomination for Pride & Prejudice before she turned 21.

—Heath Ledger: From teen girl heartthrob to honorary gay icon, we vote this best actor nominee most improved.

—Michelle Williams: This Dawson's Creek alumna has not only hooked up with a Hollywood hunk and become a new mom but found time to make serious movies —take that, Katie Holmes!

2. I Directed A Big Studio Picture and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt Award

—Ron Howard: Cinderella Man(Universal, Miramax)

—Peter Jackson: King Kong (Universal)

—James Mangold: Walk the Line (FOX)

—Rob Marshall: Memoirs of a Geisha (Sony)

—Susan Stroman: The Producers (Sony)

3. Best Job Staying in Character Off Screen Award

—Russell Crowe: Duck! This thespian threw punches as boxer James Braddock in Cinderella Man, then threw a phone at a hotel clerk in New York City last spring.

—Scarlett Johannson: The movies' current reigning hottie, she seduced Jonathan Rhys-Meyers away from Emily Mortimer in Match Point, and would give straight male viewers a reason to tune in on Oscar night.

—Joaquin Phoenix: Should method acting require a 12-step program? This best actor nominee hit rehab after playing Johnny Cash in Walk The Line.

—Rachel Weisz: The best supporting actress nominee must have really dug that fake belly she wore as a pregnant aid worker in The Constant Gardener, cause she and director Darren Aronofsky are now expecting a child; does Armani do maternity?

—King Kong: He fell off the Empire State building — and the Academy's radar screen—earning only technical nominations.

4. Most Supportive Spouse Award

—Bill Macy: Being married to a Desperate Housewife is emasculating enough. Try it when she plays a man, as Macy's honey, best actress nominee Felicity Huffman does in Transamerica.

—Ryan Phillipe: Mr. Reese Witherspoon endured his wife learning to sing for Walk the Line. That deserves a hee haw.

—Jesse James: Mr. Tattoos and leather, the custom motorcycle builder, will have to scrub up to escort wife, Crash's Sandra Bullock, who will be a presenter.

—Fran Walsh: Imagine having to put up with King Kong director Peter Jackson when he's filming his multi-year epics, much less when he's sulking without a nomination.

—Michelle Williams: Yes, she's nominated, too, for best supporting actress in Brokeback Mountain. But really, when her sweetie Heath Ledger said he wanted six kids, wasn't that a prize of its own?

5. Cast Most Likely To Get Rowdy at the Awards Award

—Cinderella Man: Nobody disses Opie (overlooked director Ron Howard), especially when that pugilist Russell Crowe is in his movie.

—Hustle & Flow: Imagine a cast sing-a-long to nominated tune "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp". Think Dame Judi Dench will join in?

—Murderball: The quadriplegic rugby players in this nominated documentary make Hollywood action stars look like girlie men. Arnold, beware.

—Walk the Line: Joaquin Phoenix fit in great when he gave a show at Folsom Prison. 'Nuff said.

—March of the Penguins: They came all the way from Antarctica for this and they want their stinkin' gift bags!

6. Ubiquity Award

— George Clooney: The former Sexiest Man got serious, earning nominations in multiple categories for Syriana and Good Night & Good Luck.

—Jake Gyllenhaal: Showed he's the real deal in Jarhead, Proof and Brokeback Mountain. Hollywood can't quit you, Jake.

—Terrence Howard: As a director who lets his wife down in Crash and a pimp who raises his prostitutes up in Hustle & Flow, this best actor nominee showed range and red carpet stamina.

—Catherine Keener: Deflowered a 40-Year-Old Virgin, safeguarded The Interpreter, disrupted The Ballad of Jack and Rose and earned a nod for playing prim Harper Lee in Capote.

—Ludacris: Also appeared in Crash and Hustle & Flow, while keeping his day job as a rapper. It can be done well, 50 Cent.

—7. Thank God Someone Has That Old-Fashioned Hollywood Charisma Award

George Clooney

George Clooney

George Clooney

George Clooney

George Clooney

8. Toughest Job on Oscar Night Award:

—Jennifer Aniston's publicist: Has Jen seen Brangelina's sonogram? Will she attend the shower? Red carpet chatterboxes have many rude questions for this presenter.

—Isaac Mizrahi: The grabby E! co-host must keep his hands in his pockets, and off of starlets

—Dolly Parton's stylist: O.K., we're not sure she has one, but heck, fitting a gown on this buxom Best Song nominee for Transamerica's Travelin'Thru would be a real achievement.

—Host Jon Stewart: Really, will there be any original gay cowboy jokes left by March 5?

—Reese Witherspoon: Acting surprised when she wins best actress for Walk the Line will surely require Witherspoon to channel more of that June Carter-style class.

9. Been-There/Done-That Award:

—Woody Allen: This is his 21st nomination, for his Match Point script; Allen won two for 1977's Annie Hall and one for 1986's Hannah and Her Sisters

—Judi Dench: She earned her 5th nod this year for Mrs. Henderson Presents, and won for 1998's Shakespeare in Love.

—William Hurt: Snagged his 4th for History of Violence, won for 1985's Kiss of The Spiderwoman

—Frances McDormand: Got her 4th for North Country, won for 1996's Fargo.

—Steven Spielberg: This is his 11th, for director of Munich; he won two for 1993's Schindler's List and one for 1998's Saving Private Ryan.

10. Most Talented Nominee You've Never Heard Of Award

—Amy Adams: Without even suffering through he over-exposed starlet phase, this Best Supporting Actress nominee shines in Junebug.

—Colleen Atwood: This six-time nominee, who already won for her costumes in 2002's Chicago, made covering up in a kimono look super-sexy in Memoirs of a Geisha

—Hayao Miyazaki: Considered the best in the animation biz, this Japanese filmmaker won for 2002's Spirited Away, and his Disney import Howl's Moving Castle, is up for Best Animated Feature. Yes, another reason to outsource.

—David Strathairn: Finally people will know how to pronounce this actor's actor's name, after a nomination for his Good Night & Good Luck performance.

—Focus Features: With 16 nods for its films Brokeback Mountain, Constant Gardener and Pride & Prejudice, this indie arm of Universal Pictures proves size doesn't matter.
 
LoveMyBoots said:
:huh: Joaquin(right?) never won...
he previously got nominated as Supporting Actor for "The Gladiator," though...

Don't even get me started. IMO, Joaquin should have won for Gladiator. He was simply amazing in it.

Yeah,um..... so I loved Crash but I don't get why Matt Dillion is nominated. Don't get me wrong I love me some Matt Dillion but if he was nominated than why weren't Larenz Tate, Don Cheadle, Ryan Phillippe and hell, Ludacris(considering he had some of the best lines in the movie) nominated? :ninja:
 
fashionicon said:
LoveMyBoots said:
Joaquin(right?) never won...
he previously got nominated as Supporting Actor for "The Gladiator," though...

Don't even get me started. IMO, Joaquin should have won for Gladiator. He was simply amazing in it.

I meant no offense by my response...
I saw "Walk the Line" and thought it was an exceptional love story, I was especially moved by the dedication Pheonix and Witherspoon put into their performances. How can they win the Golden Globe (for best musical or comedy) and be left out of the Best Picture race??? :angry::angry::angry:
 
^ The Joaquin comment was geared more towards the fact that he lost, not in oppositon to what you wrote. :flower:

Yes, I am still harping on the fact that he lost. HE WAS AMAZING and simply brillant in it, and in my opinion HE made the movie.

I haven't even seen Walk the Line yet, but I think Joaquin winning an Oscar is wayyy overdue.
 
Let's face it! It's never about the awards, it's all about the dresses!!! People pay more attention to what the stars gonna wear, whom r they gonna go with, what wacko stuff they gonna do than the award itself. Hollywood movies are one of the most unarty movies ever. They always put too much flair in it that it never comes out true. There is a lot of foreign movies that's worth Oscar nominates!!! (where are all the French, Polish, ect movies???)

Mostly all the nominates are just hypes. They are all modern bomshells or princes in Maryland. "Both talented and beautiful" Excuse me, the talent bar must have been set real low since last time I check!
 
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I've noticed that people often are awarded the Oscar based on their history of acting, not exactly their specific performance that year. I do find it unfair that many times actors or actresses are given this honor because of a hyped up role, I won't name any to prevent arguing, but ultimately, the Oscars are meant to give praise to actors/actresses who have done a spectacular job with the roles they have taken on, and generally... that's what happens. A lot of people are oftentimes upset that the ONE actor or actress they were hoping for to win doesn't, but that's just one person's opinion. I've quite tired of hearing all the backlash Keira Knightley has received for her nominations for Pride and Prejudice because honestly, they wouldn't have nominated someone who didn't deserve it. I think she had a very strong performance, and if anything... I would want her to win, but I've pretty much accepted that the Oscar will go to Reese Witherspoon. And it's all good. Because Reese also did an amazing job. It doesn't matter how much you twist it, the movies that are up for Oscars are without a doubt the cream of the crop that were produced during the year.

I was also surprised to note the lack of Walk the Line for Best Picture, but it'll probably go to Brokeback Mountain anyway, so I'm satisfied with seeing that Reese and Joaquin got their nods. [ By the way, whoever mentioned that Joaquin deserved that Oscar for Gladiator... I agree! ] I was extremely upset when he lost it to Benicio del Toro, and this is probably his year to win. The only upset could be Heath Ledger, but the Oscars have often surprised people before. (2004, when Johnny Depp lost to Sean Penn? Or was that just me who was bitter...?) But who can deny that when it comes down to it... the nominees deserve to be where they are. Was Jamie Foxx's role in Ray not worthy of attention? Sure it's a surprise that Zhang Ziyi was neglected this year, but Memoirs of a Geisha was not up to par with the other movies. I'm sure someone with her talent will snag an Oscar nomination very soon.

Anyway... sure the Oscars sometimes are awarded to someone unexpected... or maybe a favorite is left out, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's corrupted and only focuses on people with a little publicity and a lot of money. o.o Honestly, a lot of the movies up for Oscars aren't really that hyped. Capote, Munich... those are about as hyped as you would expect a movie of that calibur. It's just Brokeback Mountain that's garnered so much attention lately, and I'm assuming that's because of how controversial the subject is.

ANYWAY. That was messy and blah, but that's what I think. I myself am looking forward to seeing the Oscars this year. I do have a couple of predictions, although I'm generally wrong.

Picture: Brokeback Mountain
Actress in a Leading Role: Reese Witherspoon
Actor in a Leading Role: This is a tough one, I'm really torn between Joaquin Phoenix and Heath Ledger, but I'm pulling for Joaquin.
Actress in a Supporting Role: Rachel Weisz
Actor in a Supporting Role: Paul Giamatti
Director: Ang Lee
 
I do think Sean Penn deserved his award! Even though I love Johny Depp to death, comparing him to Sean Penn...um... not quite. Johnny Depp's role didn't get a chance for him to show the critics that he's the best.(Even though he is really really much more talented than what people believe him to be) It's more entertainment while Sean Penn has done a beautiful job showing the depth of human emotions.

I have to say I was REALLY disappointed to hear Keira being nominated. Even though I have nothing against her, her performance wasn't Oscar worthy! It was good. But there is many performances that is just as good, like Scarlette in Match Point. But it's definitely not Oscar worthy!

And I agree with the crap about giving awards to imitations! Hooray to whoever said it. Why is it everytime a movie based on the true story, they automatically being Oscar considered??? The critics was touched by the true story, not by the performences. Like if you are deeply touch by Johnny Cash, a movie about him would touch you better. But that should not be the reason why an Oscar being given. There are a lot of movies which are not true stories but very moving and meaningful. Where the hell are they????

Plus, Oscars are just about Hollywood these days. They completely forget about foreign movies. If they even bother to remember, they will find many many MANY movies which are better and "truer" than those Hollywood imitations. I personally don't really like those movies that says "based on true story". They mostly just stick that phrase on. But everyone knows a true story is far less dramatic and all-flaired out like that!:angry:
 

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