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^^^That miniatur appartment is so cute, it comes just at the right time, I´ll move to my own appartment soon and I need some inspiration and always wanted to know how Edie´s appartment looks like! I´ve seen pictures before but not such good ones.

I think Edie was very intelligent!!!
 
it's so nice to have you here again Liberty bell ^^
Thanks so much for the information
 
See bold print on Andy's televised response to Edie's death.

I didn't say he (Andy) made her do drugs or that he was the sole reason her life became 'ruined.' -But he certainly encouraged the drug use (its documented in several books)--read 'The Ghastly One' and other books about the Manhattan scene at that time-most Andy Warhol books are just fluff-they don't reveal his true character-he used people over and over and over again. She sent him a nice card when he got shot because she is a NICE person-he never sent her cards the many times she was in the hospital. And in fact on receiving the news of her death in a television interview from the 1970's (I couldn't find it on you tube)-he said something of the sort as 'oh really i hadn't heard, well i didn't really know her too well anyways, we were never really close.' What a lying, rude bastard.
It was very obvious that she wanted her dad, Fuzzy, to be proud of her and for him to actually tell her he was proud of her (to at least have the common decency to verbally and affectionately acknowledge it)-but her sculptures were nothing compared to his (according to him because he was so macho) and so I think she pretty much dropped out of college before she started doing drugs or anything wild simply because she admired her father's artistic abilities and she wanted to follow in his footsteps and he didn't take it as a compliment that she admired him so much as she wanted to be like him. I am sure it was quite a blow and so she gave up on sculpting. She excelled at everything she did as a child and was even doing very well at college--But one can only try for so many years to try and get the love and affection from the person they love most in the world before they finally turn numb and in her situation she began to self-destruct part in case because of Fuzzy (who she would talk about endlessly with love and affection in interviews and to friends), because Minty's death (who she believed killed himself because he was a homosexual and would be ousted from the family because of Fuzzy's disapproval), and then of course the accident in which her other brother was killed. (OTHER POSSIBLE CONSIDERATIONS INTO WHY SHE BECAME A SELF-DESTRUCTIVE DRUG ADDICT: her father started her in on daily doses of Barbiturates after she caught him having sex with another woman and in order to cover his *** he claimed she just had a wild imagination and kept her sedated through much of her teenage life; also she has an addictive personality; and she was probably bi-polar and all they had then was lithium; most people were never properly diagnosed because back then it wasn't a thoroughly understood disorder. I'm sure she was never diagnosed-but most bi-polars or manic depressives love to be manic and Edie could keep that amazing manic feeling going for days on speed. Mania makes people feel good and excited about life. (I should know, I am bi-polar and I know how without proper medication-people that suffer from this chemical imbalance self-medicate usually with uppers until they wear themselves out.)
Who did she have to turn to for love and comfort? Most of the people she thought were her friends were quite the fair-weathered type (never supporting her through times of great depression.) So her friend, the one that never failed to make her happy was speed.
My point about him not paying her for her participation in his films in which he promised her he would-(Oh poor Andy had no money...wah wah)---PLEASE. And later when he did have money, he could have sent her a check-it's not like he could've forgotten to pay her as he had a diarist record every mundane second of his life in "The Andy Warhol Diaries." And she wasn't just making Warhol's movies just "for fun,"-quite the contrary, she was doing them for artistic purposes-she wanted to be a part of this art movement and scene. As it has been popularly reported as soon as Edie started considering and negotiating other offers for (paid) film work and modeling-Andy felt betrayed and dropped her. He didn't own her, they could have still worked together with her doing other projects, but she was looking for other artistic opportunities-ones in which I'm sure the client would actually pay her for her work...But there's just more proof for you then on just how selfish, jealous and rude Andy was...a control freak....his way or the high way....

And she didn't use people to score drugs. To be quite frank, she had sex with dealers as a means to pay if she had no money--so she traded, bartered-not used people. After all the money she spent on Andy and her Manhattan friends, I wouldn't even consider labeling her as someone who used people for drugs-for all she did for everyone else, she deserved all the free drugs she wanted. Not all druggies use people, although I do believe a great majority do. But she was no crackpot off the street, she had money-even after her inheritance ran out she had enough money for her cheap apartment and drugs (speed has always been cheap.) Heroin was the expensive one-but I think she did that only when she absolutely had to come down and get sleep.

I agree that Edie was very intelligent but Warhol didn't make her do drugs. He may have had friends that did drugs and that introduced her to them but he never made her do them. Also, Andy didn't have enough money to pay Edie and from what i understand she didn't care about not being paid for her work because she was just doing it for fun. But, when her inheritance ran out she needed money and he couldn't pay her so they parted ways. There may have been tension between them but not as much as people think. I mean, if she hated him and he ruined her life then why didn she send him a such a nice card when he was shot? And i don't think it was that important to her to impress her dad because when he disapproved of her lifestyle in New York she didn't change a bit. And i don't think that Edie needed to use people for much but i'm almost positive that when she was heavily into drugs she used people to score because that's a trait of almost all drug addicts.

I agree that Edie was very intelligent but Warhol didn't make her do drugs. He may have had friends that did drugs and that introduced her to them but he never made her do them. Also, Andy didn't have enough money to pay Edie and from what i understand she didn't care about not being paid for her work because she was just doing it for fun. But, when her inheritance ran out she needed money and he couldn't pay her so they parted ways. There may have been tension between them but not as much as people think. I mean, if she hated him and he ruined her life then why didn she send him a such a nice card when he was shot? And i don't think it was that important to her to impress her dad because when he disapproved of her lifestyle in New York she didn't change a bit. And i don't think that Edie needed to use people for much but i'm almost positive that when she was heavily into drugs she used people to score because that's a trait of almost all drug addicts.
 
Everything you said about her father is speculation. It has also been well documented that Andy was going through money troubles of his own while Edie was with him and every cent he had was going into his movies. He was taking a risk and Edie must have known that. He didn't pay anyone for their work and if he did it was only a few. He did however help a lot of people by letting them come into the Factory instead of being stuck on the streets. Andy just wasn't the kind of person who would track someone down and pay them, not anyone. And no one knows what Edie did for drugs but i wouldn't be suprised if she did mean things to people while on drugs although she was a really sweet person.
 
^ I agree Babydoll.
Opaline your posts are very interesting and insightful too ( If not a little Edie bias! :pLol!)
I think the main idea about most things concerning Andy and Edie is that there are so many different stories etc. that we'll probably never have one true definitive truth.
 
Opaline, Andy purchased silver and blonde wigs towards the beginnings of the 1960's because of his thinning hair, which apparently he was quite embrassed of. I'm quite sure Edie wasn't the first one to ever wear silver in her hair or do the typical "60's eye make-up". As for Warhol approaching her, it's my understanding that Chuck Wein introduced them for purposes to further her career and his [Chuck]. From what I've read, Edie had no idea what pop art even was. While she seemed to be an intelligent, beautiful young lady, she certainly wasn't "the most special" of the whole Warhol gang. Andy Warhol himself was extremely intelligent and quite an artist. The best in the history of history? Probably not, but he certainly did have a hand in changing America. Andy himself apparently didn't approve of drugs, but that's more than likely questionable. He encouraged her to try and sleep without sleeping pills, and I doubt he tried to encourage her to use drugs, since she had been using them before she met him, but from my impression, just not as heavily. She supposedly was rather "wild" all of her life. And they both parted ways mutually since she had spent her inheritance and he couldn't afford to pay her. As for Diana Vreeland calling her, it was a different editor that arranged the shoot, which for the life of me, I cannot remember her name. You really should read the Edie book, it will clear up alot for you. A great many of her friends who did try to help would say that she stole their drugs, stole their money, etc etc. She had already come into her inheritance and was spending it like mad before she met Warhol, so she didn't spend it all on him. Like I said, you should really read the Edie book to straighten out a great many of your ideas.

Liberty Bell - it's so nice to see you posting again! :]
 
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I think Edie was rebeling against her father more than trying to impress him. Also, Edie was the one taking everyone out. In the Edie book it said she would order everything she wanted on the menu and take a few bites of each. That was her choice to spend her money that way. It's not fair to blame other people for her financial difficulties. Edie made a lot of bad choices but she also made a lot of good friends. Andy introduced her to a lot of good and bad people. But Edie made her own choices.
 
I love this thread! Edie is one of my fashion icons and through this thread I'm learning so much about her. Thanks to everyone! :)

I'm new btw. :)
 
Actually not everything I said about Fuzzy is speculation as I have many recordings of Edie with her discussing him in drastic detail and very little of it was published in Jean Stein's biography (probably out of respect for the family.) This information I have discussed about her has ALL come from reliable inside sources, a lot of whom wished to remain anonymous. Andy Warhol was a jerk. The point is he promised to pay her each time he asked her to be in another film. Which means he is a liar. I perfectly understand his homeless hanger-ons were so *graciously* allowed by Andy to live in that trash heap of a warehouse and most of the others in his films didn't care about being paid because they were desperate for their "15 minutes of fame." Edie was more than that. Again, he promised to pay her and if he didn't have the money to pay her then he should never offered to pay her in the first place. Edie wanted a career, she wanted to be a real actress and continue modeling and as soon as Andy heard she was talking with agents and working out deals for possible upcoming projects he became enraged and started ignoring her. This information is all documented and is not based on speculation-it is on record from reliable witnesses and from Andy himself. He has clearly admitted that he was a self-absorbed hack and that his art was really meaningless and the whole identification of his art as expressing America's obsession with consumerism came from the critics analysis on what they thought his work was trying to represent-to Andy it all meant nothing. Read his diaries, read every book ever written about him and see all his t.v. interviews and listen to all his audio interviews -it all comes straight from his banal-voiced mouth.

Anyways, I have many copies of recorded interviews (that most probably haven't heard) of Edie talking about her personal life in great detail regarding her father, incest within the family and sexual abuse.) I was able to get these copies by sending out requests to sources that I obtained through the company I work for who have contact information on many people that were part of Warhol's scene and who knew Edie and had some of her belongings and recordings of hers that were left at the Factory and apartments/various other places. Some of these recordings are known to be made by Andy and others are by various other people. SO basically in a nutshell, I know what I'm talking about and I don't go around repeating fodder that people have just assumed or speculated about Edie. I've actually done extensive research.:D

Everything you said about her father is speculation. It has also been well documented that Andy was going through money troubles of his own while Edie was with him and every cent he had was going into his movies. He was taking a risk and Edie must have known that. He didn't pay anyone for their work and if he did it was only a few. He did however help a lot of people by letting them come into the Factory instead of being stuck on the streets. Andy just wasn't the kind of person who would track someone down and pay them, not anyone. And no one knows what Edie did for drugs but i wouldn't be suprised if she did mean things to people while on drugs although she was a really sweet person.
 
Any Warhol didn't even write many of the books he published, people such as Brigid Berlin, Pat Hackett, Stephen Koch, Tama Janowitz and many others ghost wrote for him. Many people he knew or who happened to meet him will say that despite what he said, he was rather complex and that despite appearances and all his "oh, I don't know...I don't do anything...I don't want emotions" persona, that Andy was really a very dedicated artist. I'd honestly like to know what books you read, because what I've read and who I've met and discusssed with, Andy Warhol poured his life into his art, a great deal of time before the sixties. He had re-created himself from a lower-class, poor immigrant into someone who was cool. I'm not saying that he didn't use people. But many of Edie's friends, who I'm sure you'd say you met with have said that she used Andy as much as he used her. Andy Warhol and his art were much more than useless pictures of soup cans and people jumping from buildings and what people thought of him.
 
If Andy felt betrayed when Edie and him split up it was probably because they were friends and he felt he had lost a good friend. I've never read anything that said Andy promised Edie money but i guess i haven't read enough...From what i've read Edie suddenly didn't have the money she used t and needed some so she had to leave Andy and that whole scene. Also, Andy was very tongue-in-cheek, when he said weird things it was to get attention, you can't really take his quotes seriously. There's a quote in Girl On Fire by Rene Ricard that says:

"I think Edie blamed Andy for her own mistakes. I think we all blamed Andy for our own mistakes. Andy had that kind of vacuum, that you could read things in, that was his public persona, but that was a big part of Andy...Andy's passivity was a Zen tactic that he used, that became himself."
 
Thanks loonaka & Stamoholic!! :)

Question; I'm sure this has been asked, but there are 212 pages and I'm too lazy to go through them all. Anyway, what are some of the books I should read about Edie? I know there's Girl On Fire, but are there any other ones? Preferably not just photos, but I'd love to know of both. THANK YOU! :)
 
Anyways, I have many copies of recorded interviews (that most probably haven't heard) of Edie talking about her personal life in great detail regarding her father, incest within the family and sexual abuse.)

Could you post them somewhere, so we can all understand what you're saying?
You sound like you have reliable sources ( I'm not having a go at you or anything) but I'd REALLY like to hear from Libertybell on this one.
She claimed that there was NO sexual abuse in the family, as far as she was aware. She found it rather disturbing that people said there was. Interesting.
Could this be a, eeer, lie from Edie?
I'm a HUGE fan of Edie's, but I don't believe she was some helpless little angel torn apart and disregarded by The Factory.
I don't think other people can be blamed for what she did with her life.
 
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Thanks loonaka & Stamoholic!! :)

Question; I'm sure this has been asked, but there are 212 pages and I'm too lazy to go through them all. Anyway, what are some of the books I should read about Edie? I know there's Girl On Fire, but are there any other ones? Preferably not just photos, but I'd love to know of both. THANK YOU! :)

Read the book by Jean Stein and George Plimpton. Also, there are a lot of books about Warhol and the factory that have stories about Edie. Have you seen Ciao! Manhattan yet?

You should try to go through the whole thread because there's tons of interesting stuff in here. just do a little at a time :)
 
I am new to this thread and haven't read the 212 pages. Has anybody compared Edie to Jean Seberg and could you refer me to the relevant posts if they have ? I have always seen a strong physical resemblance (and maybe some common personality traits ?) and have always been fascinated by both.
 
I read the biography on Jean Seberg a couple of winters ago and it made me depressed for WEEKS. It seemed like she suffered for so many years. Otto Preminger was to her as Andy Warhol was to Edie. Jean Seberg just seemed like she suffered longer...I believe from what I remember correctly she was married to a much older man (a writer I believe) and soon after Jean was found dead, he committed suicide with a gun leaving behind their young son. That made me very angry.


I am new to this thread and haven't read the 212 pages. Has anybody compared Edie to Jean Seberg and could you refer me to the relevant posts if they have ? I have always seen a strong physical resemblance (and maybe some common personality traits ?) and have always been fascinated by both.
 
Well, I've read that Edie was known to elaborate and/or change the stories she would tell people about her background. She could have been lying (perhaps for sympathy or attention?) I was asked not to share the recordings with the public. I can confirm there were claims made by Edie in these recordings where she says their were inappropriate relations that occurred between her and another family member for a number of years. Out of respect, I will not go into detail. Some of it has already been speculated upon in public documents and in the biography by Jean Stein. I can agree with everyone here that perhaps these were lies, I am just letting you know from what I've gathered from her own testaments there seemed to be some truth to it as the same subjects were brought up over and over and over again on her own accord without her having to be prodded or questioned about it. Who's to know for sure, I am going by what Edie has said. I don't take it as speculation, but certainly no one can ultimately know the WHOLE truth but Edie herself.

Could you post them somewhere, so we can all understand what you're saying?
You sound like you have reliable sources ( I'm not having a go at you or anything) but I'd REALLY like to hear from Libertybell on this one.
She claimed that there was NO sexual abuse in the family, as far as she was aware. She found it rather disturbing that people said there was. Interesting.
Could this be a, eeer, lie from Edie?
I'm a HUGE fan of Edie's, but I don't believe she was some helpless little angel torn apart and disregarded by The Factory.
I don't think other people can be blamed for what she did with her life.
 
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