Kramer (Seinfeld) in racist video

poetiquez said:
maybe you should think before you post or explain yourself because honestly,this pretty much confused and almost pissed me off.
Why would that piss you off?
If that simple statment confuses you and pisses you off you have a hard hard road ahead of you in the real world.
You all are taking what I said WAYYYYYY out of context.
NO, I am not racist, NO I don't agree with what Richards did and said, NO I don't agree with what the hecklers did. By saying that what the hecklers did was wrong does not mean that I think Richards actions were right; I am just saying I don't think racial comments are right nor do I think heckling and messing with someone job and other people right to a nice show is right either.
I am sorry if I offended anyone, I did not mean anything by it, I have just been to several shows that had hecklers there and it completely ruined the show for me and for others; and when you save up for almost a year to fly atlantic city to see a show and you have some moron ruin it by heckling then YES you start to hate anyone that heckles.
Again, I did not mean to offend anyone and in no way do I think what Richards did was right. Sorry that I made an original comment against the heckler instead of Richards.
 
If that's what he says in public what does he say in private? :shock: I am soooooo disappointed! I loved him on Seinfeld. But that show wasn't exactly sensitive to African Americans either. Not that it was sensitive to anyone. But I am always a little skeptical of shows that take place in New York and barely have any people of color in them. :rolleyes:

As for an apology...puh-lease! :rolleyes:
 
MarilynMonroe said:
Again, I did not mean to offend anyone and in no way do I think what Richards did was right. Sorry that I made an original comment against the heckler instead of Richards.
The statement you made incites anger because you seem to imply that the "hecklers" deserved what they got, when they did not. To make a reference to lynchings and to be called the most degrading word you can call someone (n****r having meant slave at one point in American history) is way beyond the normal angry reaction to a heckler. If he had said, "you f***ing hecklers" or even "f***ing idiots" we would probably say he had anger issues but no one would be appalled by his comments. Your seeming nonchalance toward the racist nature of his insult is what is disturbing. But you have apologized so thanks.
 
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retailqueen said:
There is nothing to feel sorry for and i can't believe people are actually trying to justify his repulgrant behaviour. Funny how the Mel gibson outrage was quasi unanimous. oh well, i guess some human beings are more equal then others:rolleyes:

Yea, Honestly I don't get it either.:blink: :rolleyes:

If he was so sorry he would have immediately apologized or never said it at all
Exactly.

the sad thing about this is that people will "forget" about this just like the whole racist remarks that were said by paris hilton yet janet jackson is still being talked about and dissed for apparently showing a natural human body part.
Again Thank you!
 
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this will be magically forgotten about just like the racist comments made by paris hilton. Yet Janet Jackson is still being dissed(NOT Justin Timberlake who was also apart of it) for the whole superbowl incident when all it was, was a body part. Its funny to see how things work in this country.
 
[SIZE=+2]from today's washington post:

What Lies Beneath
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[SIZE=-1]By Eugene Robinson
Wednesday, November 22, 2006; A21
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Anyone who thinks that racism in this country is history really ought to watch the video of Kramer going postal.
I'm not saying that everyone is like Michael Richards, the "Seinfeld" alumnus whose hideous meltdown at a Los Angeles comedy club Friday was captured by a digital camera and soon posted on the Internet for all to witness in slack-jawed amazement. I'm not saying that evil lurks in the hearts of all men and women. But I am saying that, as a society, we still haven't purged ourselves of racial prejudices and animosities. We've buried them under layers of sincere enlightenment and insincere political correctness, but they're still down there, eating at our souls.
For those who missed it, Richards -- who will always be known as Cosmo Kramer, Jerry Seinfeld's indescribably weird neighbor -- was performing at the Laugh Factory, a club in Hollywood, when a heckler in the audience began to intervene. There isn't a comic alive, I would wager, who has never been heckled. Surely, a performer of Richards's experience has faced rowdier interlopers than the one Friday night.
Who happened to be black.
Out of nowhere, Richards explodes. He screams at the man, and I mean screams, "Fifty years ago they'd have you upside down with a [expletive] fork up your ***." Audience members don't initially react, perhaps unsure if they've really just heard a nostalgic reference to lynching.
But Richards continues, at the top of his lungs, using the expletive for which the term "N-word" is far too cute. "He's a [expletive]! He's a [expletive]! He's a [expletive]! A [expletive], look, there's a [expletive]!"
In the background, a female member of the audience is heard to say, "Oh my God."
The rant doesn't end there, but that's the gist of it. The whole thing was captured on a pocket-size digital camera that has the ability to record snippets of video, and the recording surfaced on the Web site TMZ.com.
"Usually, when you see the tape you've been waiting to get your hands on, the reality isn't as big as you think," said TMZ.com managing editor Harvey Levin. "This was bigger."
This is the second big scoop by TMZ.com, a year-old partnership between AOL and Telepictures, a division of Warner Bros. The Web site also was the first news outlet to report on Mel Gibson's drunken, anti-Semitic rant. "What I'm hoping is that we're the go-to place for breaking entertainment stories," Levin said, "not that we're the site that specializes in racist celebrities."
Richards went on David Letterman's show Monday night to apologize. Appearing via satellite feed from Los Angeles, Richards gave a rambling mea culpa that provided few answers. He made no excuses for his inexcusable words, but he did tell viewers, "I'm not a racist."
He could have fooled me. Just as Gibson, who in his own ritual abject apology said he's not an anti-Semite, sure had done a pretty good impersonation of one.
Look at the two celebrity blow-ups together, and maybe throw in Sen. George Allen's "macaca" moment, too. One thing they teach us is that there are no unguarded moments anymore. Richards's outburst was filmed by someone with a tiny digital camera, Allen's by a young man with a video camera. Footage of their indiscretions and facsimiles of Gibson's drunken-driving police report were disseminated to the world within hours via the Internet. You can't even run anymore, much less hide.
The other lesson is that in each case, something ugly erupted from somewhere so deep inside that I'm not sure Richards, Gibson or Allen even knew the ugliness was there.
Richards's heckler just happened to be black. As far as we know -- the video clip begins with the comedian losing it -- there was no racial content in the heckling. But something inside Richards was triggered, some hidden fail-safe switch, and he went immediately to race as if that were the reason the man was annoying him and thus an appropriate way to strike back. He didn't see the heckler as a man, he saw him as a black man -- one who needed to be reminded that once upon a time he might have been lynched for his impertinence, and who needed to be put in his place with the most explosive word in the language.
Gibson's rant about Jews was a similar thing. Allen's fumble was less unforgivable, but then again he's a United States senator, not an actor or a comedian.
Out of nowhere, for no apparent reason, come explosions of vitriol, suspicion and disdain, all aimed at minorities. Don't tell me that racism is dead. It just shuns the light of day.
 
electricladyland said:
If that's what he says in public what does he say in private? :shock: I am soooooo disappointed! I loved him on Seinfeld. But that show wasn't exactly sensitive to African Americans either. Not that it was sensitive to anyone. But I am always a little skeptical of shows that take place in New York and barely have any people of color in them. :rolleyes:

As for an apology...puh-lease! :rolleyes:

That is the f**king truth, that was the greatest statement yet, I wish i'd said it. could you imagine what kind of names he calls us. we are probably every cotton-picking jiggaboo known to man:furious:
 
It's still in the news and Kramer has disappeared for a while. He called Al Sharpton and apologized. :innocent: Once again... empty apologies. He doesn't mean it. His career is so dead.
 
*DrAma* said:
this will be magically forgotten about just like the racist comments made by paris hilton. Yet Janet Jackson is still being dissed(NOT Justin Timberlake who was also apart of it) for the whole superbowl incident when all it was, was a body part. Its funny to see how things work in this country.

Because some people are so anal about sex and nude body parts. Yet there's sex every where we turn. News, tv, music, and ads.
 
high maintenance said:
I wrote cr***er because I didn't want to type the word, and because Iam black, I thought about others and not just myself, and being what the topic of this thread is and that the word was used already here, I think you know what word I was saying, even if you just read my reply.

Erm I am not exactly sure what you are implying, but if you were implying that I was asking what cr***er was in order to make people type something that was offensive to black people even though I knew what is was, then I think you probably have an acute case of CHIP-SHOULDER syndrome. We all agree that this Seinfeld dude is racist, but try and get out of your geo-centric way of thinking and learn to accept that people outside of the States have not come across the same localised terms as you have. It's not racist but it certainly is narrow minded.

Back to the issue at hand, I read in the paper today that this guy also made some really anti-semitic remarks at some comedy show but people weren't sure (despite his apparent agression) whether or not it was a comedy thing so they didn't make a fuss then. This backs up the theory that bigots don't really pick and choose, they just dislike minorities. I hope no show business people employ him again.
 
I was shocked and appalled by this and glad he made a public apology, but also hope he does alot of community service for this....
 
Gypsy_Doll said:
Yea, Honestly I don't get it either.:blink: :rolleyes:


Exactly.


Again Thank you!

Thanks for picking the best bits of her posts Gypsy_Doll (I am a lazy reader! I usually just read the newest bits of a thread!) I agree with all of them also. Especially the Janet Jackson bit. America is insane about bodies and sex and stuff. Ever since I heard that about Paris Hilton, she scares me more than usual, I don't ever buy Hilfiger (not that I would anyway eww) and I don't purchase anything by Lauryn Hill because racism against the whites is equally unacceptable. Which is not to say people don't change -they do -but I'd rather not support these people till I have evidence that they have changed.

There was a wonderful documentary on TV here in the UK last week. It was called 100% British (or something) and basically they got all these people who were BNP supporters or believed that you weren't British if you were Jamaican originated or whatever. And then they did genetic tests on them. One man who had told the interviewer that he didn't believe anyone should be considered British unless their family could go back 12 generations, turned out to be like 15% south east asian, 10% eastern european etc etc. He didn't know what to say. He was like, 'err. I may have to change the rules now. Err this throws everything out the window" Another woman was told she was 12% (I am seriously fudging the stats here but you get my drift) Middle Eastern and she exclaimed, "Not bloody Iraqi though?" Fraid so you nasty piece of work! Just beautiful.
 
Oh and another thing I forgot to say, I noticed a lot of you used the terms 'pissed off' and 'angry' and really this shouldn't make you have this reaction. You should work against racism because it is wrong but hatred is what consumes racists and makes their own lives unbearable (or is symptomatic of how unbearable their lives already are). I feel sorry for them but that is it. I mean today I saw the headlines that some Arsenal fans had spat on a lady with an Islamic veil and I felt sorry for both the victim and the attackers. I am the first to get angry at the smallest things but that isn't an ideal.

Just saying because people think it is okay to get angry at offenders and criminals but it really defies the point. Same with the death penalty (my pet hate) -just beside the point and not very constructive.
 
MarilynMonroe said:
Why would that piss you off?
If that simple statment confuses you and pisses you off you have a hard hard road ahead of you in the real world.
You all are taking what I said WAYYYYYY out of context.
NO, I am not racist, NO I don't agree with what Richards did and said, NO I don't agree with what the hecklers did. By saying that what the hecklers did was wrong does not mean that I think Richards actions were right; I am just saying I don't think racial comments are right nor do I think heckling and messing with someone job and other people right to a nice show is right either.
I am sorry if I offended anyone, I did not mean anything by it, I have just been to several shows that had hecklers there and it completely ruined the show for me and for others; and when you save up for almost a year to fly atlantic city to see a show and you have some moron ruin it by heckling then YES you start to hate anyone that heckles.
Again, I did not mean to offend anyone and in no way do I think what Richards did was right. Sorry that I made an original comment against the heckler instead of Richards.

I was not offended at all by what you said. But I understand now it depends on how you read it. I could have taken what you said as "OWNED!" but you didn't say that. I think what you mean is whether what they got was right or wrong, they probably wont be tempted to heckle again after this bad ordeal. It's just a basic learning process. Though knowing hecklers, I kind of doubt their behavior will change.
 
People will view that statement differently by the background they came here with. I can understand if some people took it the wrong way but we are a community here and all of our members come here acknowledging that we need to be respectful of one another and i think we owe eachother the benefit of doubt that someone would post something supportive of Michael Richards comments. If you have a problem with someone's post report it or PM the person. I can't stand it someone here tries to pick a fight with another member.
 
^ Very well said, Style_Savy:flower: You said what I was thinking but could not put into words. Karma, baby.

i think we owe eachother the benefit of doubt that someone would post something supportive of Michael Richards comments.

I especially agree with this comment.
 
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silk skin paws said:
Because some people are so anal about sex and nude body parts. Yet there's sex every where we turn. News, tv, music, and ads.

you missed the point. sex is everywhere(mtv,movies, cartoons(adult swim etc). they allow that and then when janet shows a body part(mind you a body part that many children see when they are breastfed) people accuse her of being a bad example and going so hard on her? double standards.

also explain why justin timberlake got off so easily? Hes the one who took off her top yet no one ever mentioned him? Justin timberlake even admits it himself how this country still is. If it had been jay z or usher do you think they would have gotten off easily? nope!
this country is still very backwards and its amazing to see how things work.

I still have yet to hear anyone address the racist comments made by paris hilton.
 
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*DrAma* said:
I still have yet to hear anyone address the racist comments made by paris hilton.

Paris Hilton is hated by most people anyway (including me). It didn't take her calling some guys the n-word to get people to loathe her.

I'm so tired of the "I think people are hating on Janet because she was a black woman who had the nip slip." statement. It was more about sexism, it had nothing to do with her race. (Remember the Nicolette Sheridan and Terrell Owens fiasco? Nicolette bore the brunt of that mess). Anytime a woman is seen as promiscuous, than it's a problem. George Clooney is a ladies man, but Lindsay Lohan is a wh*re because she's seen with a different guy every week. There's a defnite double standard in hollywood. Actually make that "the world".
 
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I think this is a very sensitive topic, which is why in this thread there is a heated discussion. I agree that sex is everywhere and yet Anna Nicole Smith and Janet Jackson were accused of showing their boobs. The media really do need to change their ways. I believe there is so much sex and most of it shows that the woman is the object and the man is the horny human. Alot of women accept this and I am probably going to sound like a feminist, but I just don't get it. I am currently in Australia and recently heard on the news that a Muslim leader says that women who dress too sexy deserve to be raped. That was a disgusting remark, but at the same time, he does have a point about women who dress like that attract dodgy men. Men don't go out wearing as little as possible. I am starting to go off-topic here. Please understand where I am coming from. I don't mean to offend anyone and if I do, I am sorry, words without a tone can be taken differently.:unsure:

Also we haven't seen the video of Paris Hilton saying racist remarks. And it is so weird that Brandon Davis said that and yet they are friends? :huh:
 
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