Madonna to Adopt a baby

[Anastasia]

^It's not the worst I could think about Madonna, really. I really think she herself is alright and her heart's in the right place regarding David and the adoption. It's just I think her actions are unethical, not particularly well-thought out, and are morally and socially wrong. I really feel no resentment or hostililty toward her--but her actions set a bad precedent.
I also believe her particular brand of spirituality is short-sighted, dangerous, and an offense to true Judaism, and that spreading this type of feel good mumbo-jumbo to some of the neediest people in the world who've been colonized and converted numerous time is insulting. But having been religiously colonized by Anglicans, Catholics, and Muslims three times over as it is, I'm sure the Malawians will know well enough how to dance the Kabbalah Enlightenment NGO shuffle. You'd think they'd get fed up with it after awhile, though.

Different country, different time, but reminiscent, somehow: For a good time, read Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart.

Wow. That is exactly how I feel about it.

My mom loves that book, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I'll bump it up the list.

 

[misssakura]

Wasn't it confirmed that the Kabbalah centre thing was just a rumour circulated by one of the papers?

 

[mellowdrama]

Wasn't it confirmed that the Kabbalah centre thing was just a rumour circulated by one of the papers?

Um, not unless them evil media-doers put up a whole fancy Flash webpage about the goals of the Raising Malawi program.

We have hired several Malawian teachers who are currently int he process of co-creating a curriculum based on the principals of Spirituality for Kids (SFK)tailored to address the specific challenges in Africa. SFK is a non-religious, unique educational program tht teaches children to use their current challenges as a means for future success.

Here, you can check out Spirituality For Kids fancy flash webpage.

Much like Scientology, its aims are noble enough. I do not agree with their conclusions about the nature of reality, but as this is an ostensibly free country and aspiring world, hurrah to them, I guess. Colonized people have always found a way to put their St. Barbaras and Changos together into a palatable whole. Being as Kabbalah is magical thinking, too, I'm sure it'll be a perfect fit for the remaining animists in Malawi. They'll be using red strings for prophylactic purposes. The evangelical Christians might not dig it too much though, and I'm sure whatever Muslims they have won't bite at all.

Everybody will have loads of fun, I'm sure, and many souls will be saved.

 

[smartarse]

I agree. No one isn't saying her heart isn't. Out of all the babies in the orphanage who is equally worst but with no one in his/her life who was completely abandoned unlike David she made a beeline towards him disregarding the others. It was done in bad taste. Almost saying other babies didn't live up to her standards. Again, I'm not saying David doesn't deserve a good life either. But he does have living relatives who didn't completely abandon him , tis all. It's the whole favoritism speaks volume in Madonna's case.

^It's not the worst I could think about Madonna, really. I really think she herself is alright and her heart's in the right place regarding David and the adoption. It's just I think her actions are unethical, not particularly well-thought out, and are morally and socially wrong. I really feel no resentment or hostililty toward her--but her actions set a bad precedent.
I also believe her particular brand of spirituality is short-sighted, dangerous, and an offense to true Judaism, and that spreading this type of feel good mumbo-jumbo to some of the neediest people in the world who've been colonized and converted numerous time is insulting. But having been religiously colonized by Anglicans, Catholics, and Muslims three times over as it is, I'm sure the Malawians will know well enough how to dance the Kabbalah Enlightenment NGO shuffle. You'd think they'd get fed up with it after awhile, though.

Different country, different time, but reminiscent, somehow: For a good time, read Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart.

 

[sexydaydreamer]

You guys are misunderstanding me. I didn't say he wanted to put his child up for the adoption in the same way he wants to drink coke instead of water at lunch, I said he couldn't raise the child on his own, therefore giving it up for adoption. Meaning his choice (no matter how hard of a choice it is) is for the child to have a better life than what he can provide. As per his own words, the idea behind sending the child to the orphange was not because he wanted the child to sit in the orphange, but rather he wanted a family with the ability to give the child more opportunities to be able to raise him.

On this point, we are all saying the same thing.

Ok, know I understand.

And I agree w/you
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[Jadee]

Um, not unless them evil media-doers put up a whole fancy Flash webpage about the goals of the Raising Malawi program.



Here, you can check out Spirituality For Kids fancy flash webpage.

Much like Scientology, its aims are noble enough. I do not agree with their conclusions about the nature of reality, but as this is an ostensibly free country and aspiring world, hurrah to them, I guess. Colonized people have always found a way to put their St. Barbaras and Changos together into a palatable whole. Being as Kabbalah is magical thinking, too, I'm sure it'll be a perfect fit for the remaining animists in Malawi. They'll be using red strings for prophylactic purposes. The evangelical Christians might not dig it too much though, and I'm sure whatever Muslims they have won't bite at all.

Everybody will have loads of fun, I'm sure, and many souls will be saved.

So ultimately Madonna and her DIY religion will save those orphans a lot of pain and suffering and teach them he laws of the Universe eh ?
I can't think of any time when people harbouring those intentions went wrong...

...well laugh is also a system of defense ...


I really have to thank you for everything thing you said in this thread.
You're absolutely brillant and I agreed very much with you .

source: spiritulityfrokids

 

[misssakura]

Who knows what you would have done if you had been there though. Sometimes you're just drawn to people or things. I was drawn to my little kittycat. I'm sure there were others who needed a home more but I just had to have him. *shrug* I guess we see differently.

 

[Zen]

d) That people think the whole thing is a 'publicity stunt'. Jesus Christ, nobody is that heartless to adopt a child as an accessory, it's something you do out of love, as a lifetime commitment. Okay I know I only have a cat but I took him on with responsibility even though the people around me didn't agree with me just because I knew in my heart it was right to take him in. I'll have him for the next 20 years and its not just a phase. You don't take on a living being as part as a fad or phase. So it's ignorant for people to even spout that nonsense.

Same here...I adopted a pet dog, and my friends and family didn't think
it was such a good idea....He was with me for 8 years, but passed away
couple of years ago....

 

[Jadee]

^Adopting a Malawian baby is different than adopting a pet.

 

[mellowdrama]

^Adopting a Malawian baby is different than adopting a pet.

Aren't we humans just featherless bipeds with souls? Isn't a pet just as subject to the laws of the Universe as any living being? And need I remind you of the Moral ABCs (All one or none! Dilute! Dilute! OK!)?

Choose carefully. The fate of nations hang in the balance.

 

[misssakura]

^Adopting a Malawian baby is different than adopting a pet.

I think you mean a 'baby', not a 'malawian baby'. And it's easier to adopt a person, you can communicate, you can let them know feelings, talk, they can have some independence. I think he'll have a nice life.

You think that one day I will just go "eh i'm sick of my cat" and give him up and somehow that makes it easier? No way! He's not just 'a pet' to me, he's a family member as stupid as that sounds. If you love something, it's unconditional regardless of what it looks like, regardless of intelligence etc. It's a commitment you make out of love......argh I sound like such a hippy but it's true. Whether it's a cat, a horse, a person, they're all beings who have feelings and who appreciate stability and kindness for LIFE.

I don't understand how some people can't understand Madonna's POV on how she wanted David. I'm sorry but...it's the same as romantic love. I once saw somebody across the room, I didn't even know him..but I KNEW at that point..I knew I wanted to be with him and I was eventually. You can't explain these things. David obviously just made a connection with her and then she couldn't get him out of her head. Why not? Plus David is lucky to be around Roco and Lourdes, they seem like great kids.

Sometimes things just click. Whether it's a career, caring for somebody, wanting to give up eating meat...they just seem right somehow and for Madonna that was obviously one of those moments.

 

[smartarse]

I'm just as vain as Madonna but at least I was born with it rather than earn it but unlike her, I am considerate of what is right and wrong. That means I would have more consideration towards the father. Everyone seem to ignore that although, he is downtrotten, poor and uneducated he doesn't love his only child nor doesn't want what's best for him. Yes, he placed him in an orphanage, with valid and practical reasons. He didn't nor ever wanted to give him up for good. But what parent don't want what's best for his child? However, it doesn't mean the parent will surrender and sever his ties with his child legally and permanently either. A GOOD parent won't. And I truly believe David's father is a GOOD RESPONSIBLE man. True- It's easy to fall in love with David, he's adorable and cute. Madonna even said it. I'd probably do the same thing if I had seen this child too. But Madonna should've thought of the consequences and the father who is still alive and continues to have communication with the child regardless if it is infrequent. But no, all she was focus is how cute and adorable David is and to make him her own-- just like an accessory. And used the excused that although, he does have a living parent and family , she says she'll give him a better life , education and all that jazz that he will otherwise won't if he stayed in the orphanage. That's BULL. Becuase if it is true she gave 3 million to the institution David will benefit from it and still have his father and grandmother legally and permanently. Madonna , Malawi Gov't and her lawyers are putting words into the poor man's tongue. The man is uneducated and don't know what actually is going to happen. They're giving him a scare tactic that if Madonna won't have David , he won't have a better life. What choice does he have? None. The saddest part is he was forced to give up custody of David and can't fight it. Even though Madonna said David will see his "father" in 3 to 4 years... it's Madonna who has the say that she and Guy are the rightful parents. And David's "father" is just a man who helped raise him for 2 months. I don't care what anyone says, Madonna has gone extremely low.

I don't understand how some people can't understand Madonna's POV on how she wanted David. I'm sorry but...it's the same as romantic love. I once saw somebody across the room, I didn't even know him..but I KNEW at that point..I knew I wanted to be with him and I was eventually. You can't explain these things. David obviously just made a connection with her and then she couldn't get him out of her head. Why not? Plus David is lucky to be around Roco and Lourdes, they seem like great kids.

Sometimes things just click. Whether it's a career, caring for somebody, wanting to give up eating meat...they just seem right somehow and for Madonna that was obviously one of those moments.

 

[Zen]

I'd probably do the same thing if I had seen this child too. But Madonna should've thought of the consequences and the father who is still alive and continues to have communication with the child regardless if it is infrequent. But no, all she was focus is how cute and adorable David is and to make him her own-- just like an accessory.

I can't believe you would feel like that. "make him her own--just like an accessory." So then, I suppose that would include Angelina Jolie too?
If that's how you truely feel, I feel sad...

 

[misssakura]

I don't really want to judge whether David's father raelly loves him and would do the best for him at this point just because I believe the media has blown it too far out of proportion. At least this way though he knows his child is being supported and he can see him probably more often than before.

Don't forget, nobody had visited David since he had been in the orphanage, including his father. Now Madonna will take David back to see his Dad which I think is nice....

 

[BadHairDay]

Madonna and David at Heathrow Airport

Madonna was spotted at Heathrow Airport yesterday, with her new son David, 13 months. They were on their way to NYC.
Check out David's wrist - he's already rocking the Kabbalah string!
Sources: People and Us Weekly, with permission



from CBB (from us weekly and people)

he's already got the kabbalah string.....

 

[Jadee]

I think you mean a 'baby', not a 'malawian baby'.

No I did mean a Malawian baby. Don't see any racist undertones in that statement. I've got African, Indian and Caucasian blood. For all that I know my ancestors where Malawian.

And it's easier to adopt a person, you can communicate, you can let them know feelings, talk, they can have some independence. I think he'll have a nice life.

It's not easier to adopt a baby than a pet
This baby had no say at all in the adoption process. I'm not sure he'll have a nice life. It depends on how you define a nice life. If you mean he'll live in luxury well yes he'll have a nice life.

I'd like to see the Malaiwan governemt protecting its orphans from people like Madonna who can go and 'donate' some money to buy children(I like how her donation includes prozylitism_sp?_ you go you generous Mado !go enlighten them savages ! If they want to benefit from your generosity they must adopt your 'religion'! )
Especially when those kind donators could be child traffickers and paedophiles. Madonna with her unethical adoption sets a worrying precedent. (on a side note The NY Times had an interesting article about child trafficking in Africa)

I don't understand how some people can't understand Madonna's POV on how she wanted David. I'm sorry but...it's the same as romantic love. I once saw somebody across the room, I didn't even know him..but I KNEW at that point..I knew I wanted to be with him and I was eventually. You can't explain these things. David obviously just made a connection with her and then she couldn't get him out of her head. Why not? Plus David is lucky to be around Roco and Lourdes, they seem like great kids.

I'm sure Madonna has good intentions but good intentions are not enough. You're not allowed to have an orphan just because you mean well. I think the problem is you're only looking from Madonna's POV. I think what she did was unethical and what she's doing with her 'donation' is exploiting people's poverty. I don't condone baby and Kabbalah followers buying.

he's already got the kabbalah string.....

Yep. She's already customizing him .

 

[Jadee]

I can't believe you would feel like that. "make him her own--just like an accessory." So then, I suppose that would include Angelina Jolie too?
If that's how you truely feel, I feel sad...

I think she meant that she treated the child like an acessory.(look at the part where she says that she focused solely on how cute the child is regarldess of the consequences of adopting him. She doesn't mean that everyone adopting internationnaly treat children like accesories.

 

[liberty33r1b]

he looks so cute, no wonder she fell in love with this baby....

 

[Anastasia]

I feel really badly for all the average and ugly babies languishing in orphanages, with no one feeling a "connection" because they don't look like a jar of Gerber. If I'm lucky enough to ever be in a position to adopt, I'm going attempt to custom pick my child too - an older, not so adorable one that's been passed over by other potential parents.

I know what Madonna means about feeling the pull and just having to have him. I've felt that before, with both a man, and a child. But I had the strength to walk away and put it aside and not take another woman's daughter/boyfriend for my own just because I really really felt there was something there. But then I'm just a used bookdealer, and not a world famous superstar, so maybe I am going about things the wrong way.

 

[mundodabolsa]

I've been trying really hard not to post in this thread anymore as I disagree really strongly with most things that are said, however I couldn't let this pass...

I don't understand why it's "bad" for Madonna to put a kabbalah bracelet on David. Most Catholic parents I know give their daughters crosses or medals to wear long before the child can make a choice about their religion. Regardless of whether you believe in what kabbalah teaches, isn't it Madonna's role as his parent to teach him about her spiritual beliefs? Just because she's Madonna it contributes to her using him as an accessory?