KoV
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Also, sorry to double post but I just don’t see how it’s fair to discount these individuals because ‘well, they said it was a great job before.’ Have you never said publicly that your job was one way while also knowing you suffered in others ways you weren’t comfortable sharing with others? I know as POC I certainly have at multiple jobs in my life. Even now if someone were to ask me about my current job, I might have mostly positive things to say. But it also depends on who’s asking, it depends on if I’m looking for another job and realize speaking ill of my current one could negatively effect me, it depends on if I believe the person really wants or needs to know the gritty details of my experiences. Don’t be quick to discount someone in this instance because of past comments they made. It’s not that simple.
It certainly rings true that employees, especially if they’re already being discriminated against, may not feel comfortable speaking out for fear of repercussion. In the case of Condé Nast, though, we’re talking about employees who likely already come from a place of privilege (some based on race, but others based on connections, finances, education, etc) and who would leverage their time at Condé Nast to springboard into more lucrative positions elsewhere. If they were, without prompting, publicly praising the company *specifically on the basis of diversity or culture change* I don’t think that’s the same as being afraid to speak out. It’s possible that it’s just opportunism and the willingness to provide cover (if they believe Condé Nast is a racist company) for as long as it aided their own ambition. I think it’s fair to be skeptical. Just like now, some of the whistleblowers are doubling their followers by coming forward. However true what they say is, the fact they were a seemingly willing participant for years and are only speaking out in a time when it’s socially and even fiscally advantageous to do so is going to be met with some skepticism. Of course it’s not the job of BIPOC to do the leg work of creating a better, more inclusive culture within a company. But when someone calls working at Vogue a “blessing” and “the most rewarding work I’ve ever done” that’s a full-fledged endorsement, imo. Take André Leon Talley, for example. He was happy to be Anna’s friend for years when it meant staying at Vogue, tickets to the Met Gala, a platform with lots of visibility, influence and power by association, trips around the world, etc. now that Anna seems vulnerable, didn’t send him a thank-you note, and he has a book to sell, she’s a “Colonial Dame” and the scum of the earth. To me, anecdotes from him are less damning and less trustworthy, because of his history, than those of people like Noor Tagouri, whose treatment by some at Vogue is troubling, to put it mildly.
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