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UK Vogue January 2022 : Kristen McMenamy by Steven Meisel

It is all simple.
POC: Everyone is white and slim, there is no diversity, only one POC model in the whole issue...
Also POC when there is only one white model in the issue: Lol why y'all whites are so triggered?

Of course everybody wants to catch up for the years of "white" media, magazines, films and so on, but sometimes it feels more like a game of revenge rather than honest diversity and equality.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there - no one cares to fight for the plight of white people feeling left out because they are are the majority in ONE issue because white magazine heads kept everyone out for so long and you’re still the majority in most things you just aren’t the only people any more!

anyway I find it very telling that a magazine full of work that is arguably still extremely luxurious and covetable is suddenly too common and relatable now there are POC in it - can guarantee these beautiful girls still aren’t relatable to most people!
 
I am not disagreeing with you, I am only pointing out that your comment was unnecessary and an indication of not existing, but still potential hypocrisy of the majority - it is a known issue that if somebody is white, then they are always walking on the edge of being called racist, privileged, -ist, -phobic, and so on. Not speaking for the majority, but in my own personal view, if POC can complain about the lack of diversity, then white people should be able too. Then, it is up to you to decide that it is invalid, wrongful, biased and et cetera, but calling out that someone is white and dares to complain - I am not sure what kind of response one would expect to that. People will always defend themselves, their tastes, their views, their community, all of it. Nobody would say "Ah, yes, that was so privileged and stupid of me, my apologies.", of course people are to defend.

It reminded me of the massive disappointment of my own on this very forum, when I was discussing a very similar issue with a POC and they told me, I quote, to "shut up and watch my mouth, because I am white, so I have no idea what I am talking about, and racism against white people does not exist". The disappointment was not in this person - they have the right to think and believe what they want. The actual disappointment was when they engaged me in private messages and told that a mod apologised to them for the inconvenience. Did a mod apologise to me for a stranger telling me to shut up due to being white after erasing all those messages in the Vogue US thread? No, they did not.

The gist is, in my writing, is that if anybody decides to go "oh, black", "oh, asian" or "oh, white" way of speaking, then they should be ready for the pushback to occur.
 
Kristen's comeback was the best thing that happened to fashion in these pandemics years. The world is more beautiful and full of hope with a legend with that sense of humor around. I see her instagram and I stop thinking about this awful pandemic, the violence, the global warming, the politics and all the sh*t in this world. Even she makes me forget I'm sick. Again, everything looks wonderful with Kristen.
 
I am not disagreeing with you, I am only pointing out that your comment was unnecessary and an indication of not existing, but still potential hypocrisy of the majority - it is a known issue that if somebody is white, then they are always walking on the edge of being called racist, privileged, -ist, -phobic, and so on. Not speaking for the majority, but in my own personal view, if POC can complain about the lack of diversity, then white people should be able too. Then, it is up to you to decide that it is invalid, wrongful, biased and et cetera, but calling out that someone is white and dares to complain - I am not sure what kind of response one would expect to that. People will always defend themselves, their tastes, their views, their community, all of it. Nobody would say "Ah, yes, that was so privileged and stupid of me, my apologies.", of course people are to defend.

It reminded me of the massive disappointment of my own on this very forum, when I was discussing a very similar issue with a POC and they told me, I quote, to "shut up and watch my mouth, because I am white, so I have no idea what I am talking about, and racism against white people does not exist". The disappointment was not in this person - they have the right to think and believe what they want. The actual disappointment was when they engaged me in private messages and told that a mod apologised to them for the inconvenience. Did a mod apologise to me for a stranger telling me to shut up due to being white after erasing all those messages in the Vogue US thread? No, they did not.

The gist is, in my writing, is that if anybody decides to go "oh, black", "oh, asian" or "oh, white" way of speaking, then they should be ready for the pushback to occur.

Maybe you should though.

What is wrong with acknowledging one's privilege or having been wrong about something? Not saying that you have to do it here in this context because clearly you won't but in general, maybe consider that rigorously tdefending one's opinion isn't the only option.

Everyone raised some interesting points in this discussion even though I cannot agree with some of them. There is a white model on the cover and main editorial, I am sure there is plenty of imagery with white people, if not in ad campaigns then accompanying articles inside this issue, so I really don't see why white people would feel the need to complain here. This industry and Vogue in itself is white representation, do you feel so threatened by some editorials with black models?
 
Maybe you should though.

What is wrong with acknowledging one's privilege or having been wrong about something? Not saying that you have to do it here in this context because clearly you won't but in general, maybe consider that rigorously tdefending one's opinion isn't the only option.

I do when I feel that it is right, there were a number of instances where I apologised for certain actions. But as they say "Best advice for you is your own".

What wrong is that in this instance, as all instances, I and some other people are, repeating again since maybe you should reread the messages to make a clearer point, going to defend an opinion if they have one. I am not going into the semiotics and nuances of human psychology, but any mature person knows that only very personal and close experiences change opinions, online forums or media don't change deep personal stances, especially today, when you can find just about enough support for literally any claim.

But I can also ask the very same question in a different manner - what is wrong with being privileged? What is wrong with me having more than some other people I don't care about? What is wrong with that if I myself is no person of power and I've no impact to how well represented or not represented some people are? Do I have to pay for what I have not done? Why do I actually have to share anything out of the blue? Do I want less? Am I not egotistical? Am I to do what, support and understand the group after having some folks trying to label me "offensive" names? Or maybe the underlying aggression of "ugh, whites are complaining" will change that? Or, perhaps, an attempt at a condescending lesson "well, maybe you should try apologising" will? No, it won't, it will only spark more resistance and debate, because it was never, ever a way to influence people. Not with a complaint, not with a lukewarm schooling effort, not with a label, not with an insult and so on with any other type of negativity.

Also, of course, you conveniently highlighted the controversial part of my statement that is hypothetical, yet completely left out the other part where I put out actual experience where I got treated worse than a POC. I am not dumb enough to not understand the advantageousness of such a move, but if you are going to have a balanced and honest discourse on the topic - this is not the way to do it, dear.
 
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The idea of privilege, if used with an open mind to listen and explore how people exist in relation to each other, is something that can lead to those good things that people say they want, like learning to live together in better ways.

But on the internet, it's just a giant point-scoring exercise carried out with a closed mind. Who's more privileged? Women or men? Straight or gay? Asexual or incel? Someone who is catholic, protestant, jewish or muslim? Someone in Hong Kong or Northern Ireland or the Balkans or Israel? Someone in Kent or Kentucky? Someone who is young but ill or old but healthy? Someone with a family fortune but abusive parents, or someone on the breadline with a loving family? A black person from a middle-class background in America who went to university, or a white person from a housing estate in England who never made it past secondary school?

Let's add up the points - there's no prize, nobody wins in the end, but from time to time, all the players get to feel a passing sense of righteousness which they can relabel as 'being right'. Because we all know that 'being right' is the most important thing in the world which instantly solves all our problems.

Listening to others, balancing self-doubt and self-belief, and being OK about the need to compromise - all that stuff takes work. We all benefit from working on it. And if you're working on it, there's no time to play games.
 
Listening to others, balancing self-doubt and self-belief, and being OK about the need to compromise - all that stuff takes work. We all benefit from working on it. And if you're working on it, there's no time to play games.

Amen to this, tigerrouge, but I'd add that is requires work on both sides, and respect and politeness. People will always listen to others if your voice is melodic and pleasant enough. Nobody will listen to a shouting, aggressive, patronising tone. Unless that tone is of someone your life literally depends on. Balancing self-doubt and self-belief is also very on point. Keep mind flexible, but not weak or rigid.
 
Dealing with our own anger is part of the compromise. Learning to deal with the anger of others is part of the compromise.

Women have been told for a very long time, they should speak with a pleasant tone of voice or else they should not expect to be listened to. I know how I feel about that. Politeness wouldn't be something I would insist on.
 
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This reminds me of like a continuation of Vogue Italia July 2009 and so much better!
 

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