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[zigzag]

I Am An Animal: The Story of Ingrid Newkirk and PETA
on HBO on-demand in the US http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/iamananimal/

 

[flutterbugfly]

Generally avoid buying fur, but it does feel nice. I have a puffy jacket that has a racoon fur trim. I honestly didn't know it was real fur when I bought it (ehh I am an idiot w/e) adn I wore it to class recently only to get lectured by this random teacher I don't even know! She told me "You should KNOW if you're wearing a DEAD animal." RUDE! and completely the wrong way to approach the topic.

 

[Lovin_It]

Aren't teachers supposed to teach manners? lol

I know the types of jacket you speak about - this is my favourate of all time in tha style (and it is reduced - if anyone wants to annoy a teacher - lol). At Saks.com

http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main...<>ast_id=1408474399545537&bmUID=1197827197347

 

[ZaZzified]

No way.

And your body needs protein, but it doesn't need meat. How would us vegetarians be surviving if we required meat? lol I've always thought of it in terms of access to alternatives. If you live in an area where hunting and gathering are your only options, meat eating is likely a necessity. But if you live in any area where you're hitting up the grocery store for your food, you have every opportunity in the world to go without meat. If you choose not to, that's fine, but behaving as though you have no alternative is silly. I respect others' decisions because I ate meat for 14 years as a kid, but it kills me when people act like they have no alternative when they're going to a chain grocery store every week.

 

[notmanons]

Ok, I find this argument a VERY broad topic.

There are so many sides to this. I personally believe that in some countries, fur is quite a cultural thing. My Russian teacher was explaining to me how it was just what she was brought up in, in Russia. But when she moved to England. She learnt that people have very strong views on Fur. It's just that people can be quite emotionally attached to animals in a way, it was quite a shock to my teacher because she couldn't understand the whole controversy.

However, my opinion on fur. I personally quite like fur. I belive that if you can kill an animal for steak then it's quite equal to killing an animal for warmth etc. I can understand how ridiculous I sound, because of course there's the whole side where animals shouldn't be killed for fashion etc...

I remember reading an article about the children and families in Siberia and how they kept warm with furs etc. It was quite interesting to me to see how cultural it can be.

I recently discovered that animal charities make more money than human ones, this came as a shock to me, and I do not think this is very good, I think it is VERY bad. (very random)

People have many different opinions on this subject and I think that either way, we all are quite emotionally attached in some way with animals..

 

[Lucy_Birkin]

No fur.

I understand when people need it for their survival (somewhere in the northern countries) or something like that.

But when a socialite or someone buys a fur that is bad because it is useless luxury piece- to kill an animal just for beauty.

But on the other hand there is need to eat meat....so it is confusing...but we need meat not fur....and some of the fur animals are not used for meat (chinchila etc. and there can be an extinction of these animals, just because of fur.......for example the siberian tiger is no longer on earth because of fur)

People should focus on faux-furs. I once compared a real fur to faux and it is almost absolutely the same! really, but people don´t want to see it....they just say that it is not right.....buy faux-fur.....really....I have a few pieces ...and it looks great...believe me....some animal activist will might attack me because they would actualy think I am wearing real fur.

 

[Multitudes]

(chinchila etc. and there can be an extinction of these animals, just because of fur.......for example the siberian tiger is no longer on earth because of fur)

This might make you happy to know! -->

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6761957.stm


For the discussion here, there's enough morality and populistic arguments to make me slightly concerned! ...

So I'll just leave quickly, with this fitting quote from Irish painter Francis Bacon:

Flesh and meat are life! If I paint red meat as I paint bodies it is just because I find it very beautiful. I don’t think anyone has ever really understood that. Ham, pigs, tongues, sides of beef seen in the butcher’s window, all that death, I find it very beautiful. And it’s all for sale—how unbelievably surrealistic! I often imagine that the accident that made man into the animal he has become also happened to other animals, lions or hyenas for example, while man remained a primate ... I imagine men hanging in butcher’s shops for hyenas, who would be dressed in fur coats. The men would be hung by their feet, or cut up for stew or kebabs.

Francis Bacon Interview with Francis Giacobetti, 1991-2, The Art Newspaper, June 2003

 

[Lolitagirl21]

I hate it how everyone digs into fur...and no one says ANYTHING about leather. Some dumb girl I heard was talking about how fur is wrong and poor animals die....and she was wearing leather shoes and belt! I think people should leave people who wear fur alone. No I don't like it, so I wouldn't wear it. But it IS legal and other people have the right to wear it.

 

[Mchunu]

^ excellent point!

 

[misspistol]

True about the fur/leather thing.

 

[DriversHigh]

I'm greatly against both but the major difference between the two is that animals used for fur are raised solely for that purpose. How often have you had chinchilla meat? Additionally, fur is incredible tacky and ruins the best of outfits.

 

[rochasfille]

I'm greatly against both but the major difference between the two is that animals used for fur are raised solely for that purpose. How often have you had chinchilla meat? Additionally, fur is incredible tacky and ruins the best of outfits.

I know it's off topic, and this will probably be deleted, but I feel the need to point out that the cows that are used for leather are not the same cows that are raised for meat - leather is not a by-product of the meat industry, as many may believe. In order to get the best quality leather and the best quality meat, the cows are fed differently, and good leather and good meat cannot come from the same cow. That said, I eat meat, wear leather, and have no problem with fur, specifically since I can't possibly give up eating or wearing cow products, and I feel I have no right to eschew fur since it's basically the same thing.

 

[Aubrgene]

I have a mink coat that I wear once or twice a year. It's actually my mom's but I had it restyled and now I wear it.

 

[DriversHigh]

How incredibly sweet of kimair to redirect our OT posts into this thread which I didn't even know existed. I did PM you, rochasfille, regarding the conversation we had already started. The jist of it being:

I know it's off topic, and this will probably be deleted, but I feel the need to point out that the cows that are used for leather are not the same cows that are raised for meat - leather is not a by-product of the meat industry, as many may believe. In order to get the best quality leather and the best quality meat, the cows are fed differently, and good leather and good meat cannot come from the same cow. That said, I eat meat, wear leather, and have no problem with fur, specifically since I can't possibly give up eating or wearing cow products, and I feel I have no right to eschew fur since it's basically the same thing.

The skin from the cows raised and slaughtered for meat may not be picked up directly off the floor and used, but there is definitely no distinction between "leather cows" and "beef cows". It just doesn't exist. There may be such a thing if the leather is to be used for an extremely high quality leather piece (such as a designer bag) and even then I would doubt that such a thing exists.

Additionally, there are further uses for leather than there are for fur. Since there are no such thing as fur couches or fur car interiors, in the end, both are equally negative because the contribute to the slaughtering animals, however, fur, in this case, would be the much greater evil. It is simply a status symbol which goes to show others how influential one can be in slaying animals for one's own personal gain.

The leather industry and the fur industry are distinct industries that are differentiated by the importance of their raw materials. In the leather industry the raw materials are by-products of the meat industry, with the meat having higher value than the skin. The fur industry uses raw materials that are higher in value than the meat and hence the meat is classified as a by-product.

 

[shes_in_parties]

I never cared for the look, even when i wasn't a vegetarian(almost Vegan). To me it never seemed classy, and especially after I found what happens to the poor original owners of the fur. But if you must use a faux fur fashion for fun. Covering yourself in it seems a bit ridiculous real or fake.

 

[Chrisdesigner]

Its not a question if we should wear fur, but if we have the right.
Do we, as humans have the right to farm animals, for our vanity?
The fur trade is , simply put, barbaric. If you have any conscience, or compassion at all, i ask you to view the practices, in real life, or on places like utube.
Reality has a way of putting things into perspective.

 

[DriversHigh]

Its not a question if we should wear fur, but if we have the right.
Do we, as humans have the right to farm animals, for our vanity?
The fur trade is , simply put, barbaric. If you have any conscience, or compassion at all, i ask you to view the practices, in real life, or on places like utube.
Reality has a way of putting things into perspective.

Thank You so much for this.

I kept trying to verbalize this, but fur is a touchy subject with me and one that I try to explain my stance on without alienating others. This was perfectly put.

I actually just had an argument with someone over this same subject over on another forum and he actual said that it's ok to kill animals for fur because they're "lesser beings"..

 

[gius]

i have a friend who has a fur coat (possibly heirloom)
she fears about wearing it here in the city
because there are so many activists and people against it
i think it's terrible she doesn't want to wear it because of that

 

[Papyrus]

My decision not to wear fur has little to do with the animals themselves. I don't wear fur because I have never liked it and because I don't need it to keep me warm or anything.

 

[picnmix]

Personally I don't wear fur, however, I don't feel I have the right to tell other people not to.

I do wear vintage leather because I feel that since it's second hand no 'new' cows are being used for my shoes/ bag. I don't wear vintage fur because I wouldn't feel comfortable in it, and I don't have a need for wearing it.