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All About Internships and Work Experience Placements

Lots of great points cristy :)

Also, many magazines don't bother posting for winter or fall interns because they have contacts with colleges in New York, or they receive emails throughout the year from other interested applicants.

Another good site for internships is www.fashion.net/jobs

Some places you can get around the need for college credit, other places I've heard are very strict about it.
 
Meanwhile I saw this post from the blog Disney Roller Girl http://disneyrollergirl.blogspot.com/
Lots of great advice here. I'm torn between putting it in its own thread or posting it here, as it covers a lot of issues that have become FAQs on this forum.
People are always asking me how I became a fashion editor and the truth is, it was so long ago I cannae remember! I jest but believe me, when I was starting out, the competition for styling and fashion editor jobs was nothing compared to what it is now. When people watch the Devil Wears Prada or Ugly Betty I don’t know what happens but they become completely deluded that being a fashion editor is about strutting the streets in high heels, swingy ponytails and Phillip Lim jackets (oh wait, it is if you work at Teen Vogue*).

The reality is rather different. If you live for fashion the job is certainly fun, creative and varied but make no mistake, it’s flipping hard work as well. And the hardest part is getting that Miu Miu-shod foot in the door. So for all you wannabe Emanuelle Alts out there, here’s my fool-proof guide to beating the competition.

Work for free
Unfair though it is, if you want a job in any creative industry – film, TV, magazines, fashion – you have to be prepared to work for nothing. Why? Because if you don’t there’s always some eager beaver behind you who will happily fill your shoes. Hell, things are so crazy now that even getting a work experience placement or an internship is like applying for a paid job.

Be profesisonal
Before you’ve even set foot in the Vogue/Dazed/Bliss office, you’ve got to make a good impression so for Gods sake be professional about it. Find out the person’s name who will end up being your direct boss and address them by their name, nor Dear Sir or To Whom It May Concern. (Clue: You’ll find it on the ‘masthead’, the list of names within the first few pages of the magazine.) Please spell their name correctly, bad-spelling and typos are unforgivable if you work in journalism.) Make your letter brief – one of two paragraphs will suffice. Tell them why you will be an asset to their team (not what they can do for you) and don’t be afraid to kiss ***. All bosses love to have their egos stroked so pepper your letter with sincere-sounding compliments. If you’re emailing your application, whatever you do, don’t type in text speak. And if you’re sending out multiple applications and have copied and pasted, please, please, please check that you haven’t left a stray ‘I’d love to work for Vogue’ when you’re writing to Elle. If in doubt get someone to proof-read your email/letter before you send it.

Previous experience required
The only things I care to see on a CV are: name, address, email address, mobile phone number, date of birth, qualifications and the biggie…previous experience.
It’s all very chicken and egg but most magazines want someone who already has some experience so that person knows what to expect and won’t abandon ship after the first day. So if you have some previous experience flag it up in your letter then expand on it in your CV. No experience? Flag that up too but say how keen and willing you are to do anything. And point out how you can make yourself available at short notice. That way, if someone does drop out at the last minute (and it happens all the time), you’ll get first dibs.

Lying
You should never lie about experience on your CV because it will find a way to come and bite you on the bum, however lying about your age is different (but you didn’t hear it from me). A lot of magazines don’t allow work experience/interns under the age of sixteen. This is because you need a certain level of maturity to be a self-starter and to able to go on errands without having a hysterical breakdown if you get lost. If you think you’re mature enough and you look 16 then chances are no-one’s going to check your ID (not in the UK anyway).

Follow up
Always follow up your email/letter. No-one has time to send replies these days so you must call to check that the email was received. Give it a couple of days, no longer, otherwise they’ll have forgotten you (popular mags get upwards of ten applications a day and even the less popular ones get ten a week). Don’t be shy. If you get this internship you’re going to be spending morning, noon and night on the phone so you may as well get over your talking-to-strangers phobia now.

Treat your internship like a paid job
The fact is, interns are like slaves and at the beginning you’re being tried out so you have to start with the ****ty jobs. We’ve all been there. If you can act like opening post, unpacking boxes and colour-photocopying (worse than normal photocopying, it’s ten times slower) is the best fun you’ve ever had and do it like your life depends on it, then you’ll get upgraded to, oh I dunno, tidying the beauty cupboard and cold-calling Prs.

Act responsibly
Magazines work on tight deadlines and are usually under-staffed and fashion editors need things to be done fast and effieciently. This is why we’re stressed and shouty. It’s not that we’re horrible people we just need things done, like now! If you’re asked to do something and can’t get it done, don’t just ignore it and hope it will go away. Use your initiative and find a way to do it. Photocopiers run out of toner, people take days off, if the person you need to talk to isn’t there or the photocopier’s broken make sure you at least let us know. If you **** up on something small you won’t get a chance to do the exciting stuff.

The cupboard
Every intern’s dream is to go on a shoot but however creative, clever and extrovert you are, I can assure you that you won’t be going on shoots from the off. Chances are you’ll be spending most of your time in the fashion cupboard. Look at any magazine, however crappy and look at just how much stuff is photographed for their fashion pages. Now times this by 100. That’s the volume of merchandise (clothes, shoes, accessories, jewellery, tights, underwear etc etc) that goes in and out of the fashion cupboard. And guess who has to unpack it, log it, hang it up and return it? Although it’s a mindless task it’s vital to pay attention to what your doing when it comes to ‘returns’. A fashion editor’s nightmare is when things get returned to the wrong place and when this happens they know exactly who to blame. Even if it’s doesn’t come naturally, make a supreme effort to be tidy, organised and quick when it comes to working in the cupboard and I promise this will fast-track you to fashion editor success. At the same time, it’s important to remember that the job is never done. Each time you feel the rails emptying, you can be sure they’ll fill up again just as quickly so don’t let it demoralise you, just accept that’s the way it is.

The shoot
The most exciting part of an internship –allegedly. Most fashion editors have an assistant so don’t really need to take an intern on a shoot. Therefore you really have to earn the right to go on a shoot otherwise you’re just another mouth to feed. (Yes it’s really that simple. On my last magazine the lunch budget was £10 a head so to take an intern on a shoot was costing us money when she could be in the office ‘doing the returns’). If you’re lucky enough to be invited on the shoot make yourself indispensable. Find out the day before what you’ll be expected to do. Some interns are expected to unpack and steam the clothes, but some fashion editors prefer their assistant to do that. There’s a lot of hanging around on shoots but that doesn’t mean switch off or read a magazine. You should be on alert at all times ready to leap into action. It’s actually very rare to meet an intern who does this but so nice when it happens. Never forget, whatever job you do, your job is to make your boss’s life easier.

Team bonding
All magazine offices are different but they’re all pretty hectic so there often isn’t a chance for idle chit-chat with the interns. Yet it’s important for you to find a moment to engage with your fashion editor as she’s your golden ticket to the next rung on the career ladder. A shoot is a good time to bond with her/him but pick your moment carefully. Good times to strike up conversation are at lunch or after the clothes have been sorted but while hair and make-up is still being done. Fashion editors love to talk about themselves but not when they’re rethinking the styling or fretting about the lighting. The good thing is, unless they’re extremely rude they’ll eventually reward some of your questions with questions about you. And this gives you the chance to connect with them and make that all-important impression.

Be unforgettable
As well as being efficient and indispensable it’s important to be memorable. If you’re only there for a month, there will be umpteen interns after you before that oh-so-elusive job vacancy arises so make a lasting impression. If you’re a bit of a wallflower it’s essential to force yourself out of your shell and make conversation with people. Get to know the other interns (Teen Vogue has fifteen!) and people in other departments and make sure they all know your name. Offer to make tea and collect faxes from the fax machine. Go the extra mile and I can guarantee they’ll love you for it. This is how I and all my assistants became successful in our careers. Talent hardly comes into it, it’s all about the hard workers.

Be warned that over-familiarity is a big no-no. Self-confidence is a great asset but if you’re an extrovert, try to read the mood of the office and be sensitive to people’s tones of voice and body-language. See if you can read their reactions to you and adapt your manner accordingly. Tip: some fashion editors don’t like to be given unsolicited advice or opinions.

Keep in touch
If you enjoyed your time at the magazine and got on with the team make sure you keep in touch. Don’t forget, it’s a relatively small industry where everyone knows everyone and the best jobs are always filled by word of mouth. A post-internship thank-you card and bi-monthly email to say ‘how is everyone’ and pass on up-to-date contact info is always welcome. Don’t be a stalker though, magazine people are busy and however chummy, won’t have time to keep up a boomerang email correspondence.

Moving on
To move on to the next internship or the next level of your career is all about contact building. Once you have a certain amount of experience I recommend contacting a few choice fashion editors to request some friendly face time. A letter or email (followed up by a phone-call) giving your experience and asking if you can take them for a coffee is all it takes. It won’t happen immediately so be prepared to send ten or twenty of these emails (not all to the same person). On the pretext of wanting some careers advice (remember, appeal to their ego) you can get an appointment with them, ask how they got where they are and then – the clincher – if they know anyone else you can see. If they like you, they’ll want to help you it’s as simple as that. The rest is down to you.
 
Thanks for that article Cicciolina, I've saved it, there's some great tips in there,
 
So back in Feb one of the places I applied for (yohji yamamoto PR) called me back and wanted to keep in touch and I told them I'd be in NY during my SB which is next monday. She said to come by the showroom to meet her. I emailed her last week to keep in touch and ask her if it was still alright to come by. No response. Should I still look up the address and stop by and ask for the woman I spoke to? Or is the no email back a sign they are no longer interested? I guess if I go there the worst that could happen is they'll tell me "sorry the position is filled have a nice day". What do you think i should do?

Also I am meeting someone Monday for a visual merch. internship at Benetton. I think that should go ok since I already have visuals exp. from various retail jobs I've worked. I usually gravitate towards visuals and end up on the visuals teams. Not that I want to do that as a career, but I do need a fashion internship and I think it's a good place to start. Better to get exp./contacts somewhere and hopefully someday I'll end up where I want to be specifically

Another question: Since neither of these places specifically asked for an interview, just to meet them, do you think it's ok that I wear jeans on Monday as long as I look good? I just think it will be much more comfortable for running around the city all day. Also I don't want to dress up like it's an interview if it's not really meant to be. Or is it better to overdress? But then I'm stuck in those clothes for the rest of the day... I don't know, but at this point I'm leaning towards nice skinnies, heeled boots, etc.
 
I am a second semester freshman at Hunter College majoring in art history and i just got a (paid) internship with a clothing company called Glamour Campaign. The designer previously worked for Citizens of Humanity and a few other similar denim brands. The first day, i got to go to Coterie at the Jacob Javits Center! When i was interviewed, the woman wanted to know if i was going to fashion school, when she learned that i am not, she asked if i was thinking of transferring. I told her i was because i just really wanted the job. She told me a lot of girls from fashion schools here in nyc were applying for it as well, so i figured i didnt have such a good chance. But 2 weeks later she emailed me and told me she wanted to have me help out at the Coterie! So, i learned that you dont necessarily have to be in fashion school to get a fashion internship, or at least one that is not a high-end designer.
 
Another question: Since neither of these places specifically asked for an interview, just to meet them, do you think it's ok that I wear jeans on Monday as long as I look good? I just think it will be much more comfortable for running around the city all day. Also I don't want to dress up like it's an interview if it's not really meant to be. Or is it better to overdress? But then I'm stuck in those clothes for the rest of the day... I don't know, but at this point I'm leaning towards nice skinnies, heeled boots, etc.

I don't know if this will help you answer your question..being an economics mayor myself,I usually have the business formal (suit) predisposition for interviews,as if everyplace was a bank. However 2 summers ago I interviewed in ny with bismarckphillips a fashion pr..and felt extremely uncomfortable and dorky when I showed up in my new suit among all the glamazons in the firm. Last fall I learned the lesson and decided I was not going to be the outcast anymore and wore the black dress,white cuff shirt under and tights for my next fashion interview...in escada in london..and got the job ! So find your own smart outfit, I'm sure you'll pull it off good luck!
 
i think you should wear black skinnies and cute heels or heeled boots. When i showed up for my interview, the woman who interviewed me looked pretty casual as she was setting up the showroom. However, i came in with black skinnies, heels and a nice top along with a blazer. it was an outfit that could go either way, fancy and work appropriate as well as comfortable. the interview took no more than 5 minutes, but in it the woman told me they were looking for someone "presentable" and said that i looked presentable.
 
QUestion #1 ... i think you answered it yourself ... go and the worst that can happen is they say "Sorry.". You might want to call ahead and ask her if today is a convenient day to stop by.

I would say the wanting to meet you is just the same as an interview ... it's just another way of doing it. Just a bit less formal. They will still ***es how you look and ask you some questions ... and they will probably make a snap judgement about whether or not they like what the see and hear ... so you need to make a good impression, whatever you wear. Jeans may or may not be appropriate for the place you are stopping by ... it depends on what they wear day to day. I can't say what is appropriate for any particular place without doing some research.

I would say that you need to look at least as good as they do. So it's better to be subtley overdressed ... meaning no flash and trash ... just subtle fashionable clothes that would look good anywhere.
 
pinksatin is there a number you can call? I think definitely give them a call before turning up. They're often very busy and can take ages to reply to emails, and sometimes a call can give them a nice little nudge ;) And it's more like a follow up call too.

As you'll be in NYC, have a look at other internship postings and contact them all now, and just say you'll be in NYC next week, you never know. I'd opt out of jeans only because it's better to be slightly dressier than underdressed, or at the least very dark jeans with no fading.

And yep like cristy said definitely no suits! When I was once trying to think of what to wear to some fashion internship interviews and later internships, he suggested a suit because it was more professional. Luckily I rebuffed him :blush: and erred towards the more 'fashionably casual' - where it was more appropriate to wear sky high heels and Miu Miu esque puff mini skirts. (not that you should wear that at the first interview, but you know what I mean).

coke I think it depends whether they want a fashion student or not. Naturally design/textiles/etc internships are looking for fashion students but I've found that fashion communications internships or anything else in the 'business of fashion' realm are really not that fussed about whether you're a fashion student or not, in fact, many of them seem to prefer liberal arts or business degrees :D
 
Ed2010 was down for me last night too, so something must be up. Hopefully it'll be back soon.
 
pinksatin is there a number you can call? I think definitely give them a call before turning up. They're often very busy and can take ages to reply to emails, and sometimes a call can give them a nice little nudge ;) And it's more like a follow up call too.

Oh I know! I wish I still had the number from when they called me but back then when I went to save it it was already out of my call list. I guess I learned to save the number right away.

And hmmm... Maybe I'll do the same outfit (heeled ankle boots, some kind of top with a blk cardiwrap sweater over) but instead of jeans, opaque grey or blk tights and I have a charcoal wool mini. I'll just try everything on before I pack.

There is such a fine line between when jeans are ok and when they aren't.

Thanks to everyone for the feedback. It helps!
 
It was too late to edit my post but... I found the number online on my phone bill!
 
Does anyone know what happened to ED2010? Free Fashion Internship's blog is great too... but I'm sure it's been posted already!
 
I loved when i was an intern but if they offer you a job after make sure it is really something you want to do. I am an EA now and it makes me want to poke my eyes out. It is nothing like when i was an intern, but i guess that is to be expected.
 
Ed has been down for quite some time now. I would say at least a week and half. Hopefully it'll be up again soon.


Question: If you're interviewing for a position where your friend's uncle owns the company, would it be tasteless to mention this?
 
Ed has been down for quite some time now. I would say at least a week and half. Hopefully it'll be up again soon.


Question: If you're interviewing for a position where your friend's uncle owns the company, would it be tasteless to mention this?

ed2010 is back up again!
 

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