Amber Heard Files for Divorce from Johnny Depp

[lelaid]

^Except for the fact that he has a well documented history of (alleged) violence towards other girlfriends (i.e. Winona and Kate). You can read more about that here: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...ber-heard-divorce-domestic-violence-blackmail

 

[squilliam]

^Except for the fact that he has a well documented history of (alleged) violence towards other girlfriends (i.e. Winona and Kate). You can read more about that here: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...ber-heard-divorce-domestic-violence-blackmail

I've heard about that, but after he became a dad he changed a lot. It's just odd how this can affect Amber so well, she really wasn't that famous until she married him. The one witness was her friend, and the evidence isn't solid. Though I suppose the whole mom issue put him in a sour mood that night and he snapped, but just once. In a court of law, the evidence has to be "beyond reasonable doubt", and it's all circumstantial and alleged at this point.

 

[modelista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-vacations-eating-plus-300-dry-cleaning.html

 

[kokobombon]

It's the money that's making everything so messy imo, she sure comes across as a gold digger who's faking it. Kudos to his team, I'm always on the victim's side and Depp doesn't stir any particular simpathies with me but I find myself doubting her everytime

 

[fashionista-ta]

^^^ I'm not sure how much his behavior is related to his being a father, as according to his first wife from the 80s, he behaved himself during their brief marriage then. It may be that his behavior varies based on his partner, state of mind, whether he's been in a pirate movie recently, I don't know.

Wrt the police, I haven't seen a police report or as far as I know, any reporting based on a police report. I'm not sure a gossip column is the best place to get information about what the police did or didn't observe. Not sure what kind of police force you have there in the mitten, but let's hope the LAPD have stepped up their game considerably since the OJ years.

 

[jexxica]

I don't understand why everyone is bashing Amber and saying she is lying, when no one knows what happened. This is exactly why most of women never report domestic violence, because they are always portrayed as liars!

This is what worries me the most about it. What can I say? What we can say? We don't know (yet and maybe we will never know) what happened between them, but I can't help but standing with Amber. First, because I don't think his career is in danger, but I do think hers is. And second, she has money, I don't think she needed to do something like that. Besides, I always saw her as a powerful women. Just my opinion.

 

[Benn98]

Not sure what kind of police force you have there in the mitten, but let's hope the LAPD have stepped up their game considerably since the OJ years.

LMAO!!! You and Softgrey really are cut from the same cloth!!

 

[t-rex]

There are now released texts from 2014 between Amber and Stephen Deuters, Johnny's longtime assistant, where they discuss the physical abuse and Stephen acknowledges it and says Johnny feels bad about it.

http://www.etonline.com/news/190049...ail_alleged_assault_by_johnny_depp_exclusive/

 

[fashionista-ta]

This is what worries me the most about it. What can I say? What we can say? We don't know (yet and maybe we will never know) what happened between them, but I can't help but standing with Amber. First, because I don't think his career is in danger, but I do think hers is. And second, she has money, I don't think she needed to do something like that. Besides, I always saw her as a powerful women. Just my opinion.

I really have my fingers crossed that we will know. This isn't an ordinary couple ... they live a public life with a bunch of people around who have to know what's going on (whether they tell the truth about it is another matter). I really want to see the truth, whatever that may be, come out.

The fact is, she is going to get more money out of this divorce than I will likely ever see in my whole life put together, and that's without any accusations of domestic violence. There's an estimate out there of $15M--that's a good chunk of change. That's under normal CA law. Just want to clarify that these accusations do not = payday. This will be a payday for her, that is not in question--as it would be for any other woman on earth getting divorced from Depp in California. Accusing her of inflicting physical damage on herself (quite an accusation IMO) doesn't change that in the least.

They say all publicity is good publicity ... I don't think this is good publicity for an actress.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

Also the TMZ picture looks odd. If that mark is supposed to be the cause of being hit by a flying iPhone, shouldn't it be swollen and not so completely red? I mean if he hit her face that hard and left a noticeable mark that big shouldn't there be some swelling? Especially around the eyes and the eyelid. It looks like minor skin irritation more than an impact mark. But I'm no forensic science expert, it just doesn't look like any hit mark I've ever seen

I simply cannot believe I'm reading this. No wonder victims of domestic violence do not come forward. Are you actually trying to defend Depp by a totally uninformed opinion of what you think injuries should look like? Are we going this far already?!
2 women a week in the UK die victims of domestic violence, it's our duty to believe anyone that comes forward claiming any form of abuse. The fact that people still think that when things cases go to court, we are trying to find who's the liar, like if the victim is also on trial, shows a total ignorance of the justice system.

 

[t-rex]

I simply cannot believe I'm reading this. No wonder victims of domestic violence do not come forward. Are you actually trying to defend Depp by a totally uninformed opinion of what you think injuries should look like? Are we going this far already?!
2 women a week in the UK die victims of domestic violence, it's our duty to believe anyone that comes forward claiming any form of abuse. The fact that people still think that when things cases go to court, we are trying to find who's the liar, like if the victim is also on trial, shows a total ignorance of the justice system.

But...he dresses up to visit children in the hospital, and he's so totally against the Hollywood lifestyle...he wears vintage clothes!...

The mental gymnastics of people... This guy has a well-documented past of being violent, and Amber stands to gain nothing from accusing one of the most beloved stars of all time of abuse. This will probably extremely hurt her career. I'm expecting it to be announced that she is no longer part of the "Aquaman" film. Studios and even magazines are beholden to powerful moneymakers like Depp and his top backer, Disney. By allowing Amber to "tell her side of the story" on Vanity Fair, for example, they likely risk losing their good relationship with Depp - and studios will be even more protective of Depp and not use Amber. Her career and reputation are probably ruined for good.

 

[fashionista-ta]

I've heard about that, but after he became a dad he changed a lot. It's just odd how this can affect Amber so well, she really wasn't that famous until she married him. The one witness was her friend, and the evidence isn't solid. Though I suppose the whole mom issue put him in a sour mood that night and he snapped, but just once. In a court of law, the evidence has to be "beyond reasonable doubt", and it's all circumstantial and alleged at this point.

This has to be one of my favorite quotes in this thread.

Just once = domestic violence = a crime in this country. I'm not sure how things are in the mitten, but crime out here counts every time you do it. Now, I strongly suspect it was not 'just once,' but once definitely counts. Once is not an anomaly. It's kinda like getting pregnant just once, or killing someone just once. Just once is more than enough.

 

[squilliam]

This has to be one of my favorite quotes in this thread.

Just once = domestic violence = a crime in this country. I'm not sure how things are in the mitten, but crime out here counts every time you do it. Now, I strongly suspect it was not 'just once,' but once definitely counts. Once is not an anomaly. It's kinda like getting pregnant just once, or killing someone just once. Just once is more than enough.

People hitting each other angrily once does happen, and it doesn't always mean anything. Women have slapped their husbands out of anger. Sometimes it really is an isolated incident. And yes there are people who only kill once, regret it, and never do it again, doesn't make them psychopaths. A person who tries a drug once doesn't make him a junkie. There's such a thing as an isolated incident.

I just feel that something is very off in this case, he doesn't seem perfect at all and has a past...but I dunno I just can't buy it. I believe what Cosby and Polanski did because there was sufficient evidence, but this just seems somehow quickly staged by her to get money. Yes I'm a feminist but men get abused by women too, and people usually laugh at it.

 

[squilliam]

I feel attacked for taking the "innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt" stance that US court systems are based on. I've known someone who was falsely accused. In the US a person is allowed a fair trial with unbiased jurors. It's this "guilty until proven innocent" emotional mob mentality that has sent innocent people to prison or executed. I do believe that Cosby and Polanski are guilty of their crimes because there is sufficient evidence for it and I despise them greatly for what they did and think they both should be in prison and on the sex offender list. This case doesn't have enough hard evidence for me. Yes there are very bad men out there but there are also very bad women out there. And when spousal abuse is the wife abusing the husband it's ignored and joked about. From a logical stand point the evidence seems questionable. Anyone can post a picture with some make up on saying they got hit (hence the looking for signs of swelling). Pictures have to be examined, unbiased witnesses have to be questioned, motives have to be analyzed.
Perhaps he is indeed guilty but there is a chance that she may be the guilty one. To me right now there is no "proof beyond reasonable doubt". Sorry for playing the wrong card

 

[Les_Sucettes]

I feel attacked for taking the "innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt" stance that US court systems are based on. I've known someone who was falsely accused. In the US a person is allowed a fair trial with unbiased jurors. It's this "guilty until proven innocent" emotional mob mentality that has sent innocent people to prison or executed. I do believe that Cosby and Polanski are guilty of their crimes because there is sufficient evidence for it and I despise them greatly for what they did and think they both should be in prison and on the sex offender list. This case doesn't have enough hard evidence for me. Yes there are very bad men out there but there are also very bad women out there. And when spousal abuse is the wife abusing the husband it's ignored and joked about. From a logical stand point the evidence seems questionable. Anyone can post a picture with some make up on saying they got hit (hence the looking for signs of swelling). Pictures have to be examined, unbiased witnesses have to be questioned, motives have to be analyzed.
Perhaps he is indeed guilty but there is a chance that she may be the guilty one. To me right now there is no "proof beyond reasonable doubt". Sorry for playing the wrong card

Again, you seem to be unable to understand how the justive system works. And again, it's because of this that the huge majority of people abused do not come forward. It's interesting that you know someone that was "falsely accused". Because being "falsely accused" is actually quite a rare crime. Unless Depp puts Amber on trial for deliberaty inventing this story, a serious crime and wins, he will never be "falsely accused".
Someone being found innocent, doesn't make the accuser a liar, like if the victim is on trial, it just means that the accusation could not be proven. Your "innocent til proven guilty" implies disbelieving and discrediting the victim, when in reality believing the victim is the default position in cases of abuse. That doesn't mean at all the accusation in itself will change Depp legal status or that he can be considered anything other than innocent. The fact his team went into overdrive to blacken her name, instead of taking the high ground and letting this play out in court, is clearly designed to appeal to societies' prejudicies and create "sides". And unfortunately is a massive disservice done to victims of domestic abuse.

 

[Mrs.Smith]

Honestly in my opinion you are both right and at the same time wrong and this perfectly demonstrates why Depp's entourage should all keep their mouth shut.

Depp may have beaten her, Heard may have lied, more we don't know, full stop.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is like the basic principle of our legal systems, but here it applies to both of them. In these domestic violence cases it's usually testimony v. testimony with only little evidence so if he de facto did not offend her, it actually does imply that she lied. Also, strong emotions come in, and actually false accusation in domestic violence/sexual abuse cases is not THAT rare. I think you don't have this situation that often, that there was possible a very serious crime (which is also heavily condemned by society), but you only have the testimonies of the offender and the victim.

If he will be found "fully" innocent, she did falsely accuse him, and at least in my legal order the prosecution could start proceedings against her, Depp would not have to put her on trial.

If he is only found innocent for the lack of evidence, the same applies to her, so this is the most unsatisfactory outcome, because it leaves them both behind with a stale taste...

Apart from that I also agree, it's remarkable how once again people jump in at the side of the potential offender...

 

[Mrs.Smith]

Too late to edit: I am not saying anyone here should keep their mouth shut, sorry if it comes across like that...

 

[Les_Sucettes]

""Innocent until proven guilty" is like the basic principle of our legal systems, but here it applies to both of them. In these domestic violence cases it's usually testimony v. testimony with only little evidence so if he de facto did not offend her, it actually does imply that she lied. "


Wait a minute, are you actually saying that if you go to court accusing someone of r*pe, domestic violence, or abuse and you lose that implies you are liar? This whole debacle is actually an eye opener for me, if even people in a forum like this are convinced that an accusation that is not proven infers that the victim was lying, there is really not much hope left.


"Also, strong emotions come in, and actually false accusation in domestic violence/sexual abuse cases is not THAT rare. I think you don't have this situation that often, that there was possible a very serious crime (which is also heavily condemned by society), but you only have the testimonies of the offender and the victim."


And yes they are rare.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/13/false-allegations-r*pe-domestic-violence-rare

 

[tigerrouge]

Whenever these situations arise, we don't have much say about what happens in court - but as part of the court of popular opinion, this is a great opportunity to look at our own bias, and ask why we emotionally resort to certain beliefs about men and women, and the nature of 'truth'.

Amber and Johnny are just celebrity figureheads towards which people will project whatever they wish. I like watching a celebrity circus as much as anyone, but the things I find myself getting really interested in, it's like a big mirror about myself and my own mentality.

 

[Mrs.Smith]

""Innocent until proven guilty" is like the basic principle of our legal systems, but here it applies to both of them. In these domestic violence cases it's usually testimony v. testimony with only little evidence so if he de facto did not offend her, it actually does imply that she lied. "


Wait a minute, are you actually saying that if you go to court accusing someone of r*pe, domestic violence, or abuse and you lose that implies you are liar? This whole debacle is actually an eye opener for me, if even people in a forum like this are convinced that an accusation that is not proven infers that the victim was lying, there is really not much hope left.

If he will be found "fully" innocent, she did falsely accuse him, and at least in my legal order the prosecution could start proceedings against her, Depp would not have to put her on trial.

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I hope you're able to mind that not everyone in this forum is a native speaker. I had my legal English terminology classes like 10 years ago. Also you don't lit. "lose" at a criminal court.

To say it again: A accuses B of r*pe. B is found innocent and NOT for the lack of evidence, but based upon evidence it is clear that there was no r*pe --> A quite likely lied BUT--> The prosecution will most likely start proceedings against A where they will used the same evidence and try to find out if A really lied --> A is found guilty (or not) in her own proceedings.