Amber Heard Files for Divorce from Johnny Depp

The suspicious thing about Heard is that she stands to gain money, more fame, and sympathy.
The suspicious thing about Depp is that his camp is bashing her mercilessly.
But neither have enough evidence to prove they're right. And the police didn't seem to do such a great job investigating that night, guess the LAPD hasn't improved since OJ (so yes the mitten has better police, except in Detroit and flint, they suck)

Did the police even take pictures of the scene? Examine Heard? Question them? Look for the phone and see if it had sustained damage? Did they get any other witnesses? Who's running their force chief wiggum from Springfield?
 
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wikipedia

Why am I here again?
Ok, sorry for calling you what I did fashionista-ta. I think the reason I felt the way I did was because of the tone of voice I was reading posts in my head, I know it sounds weird, but I guess I was projecting things that weren't there.

Thanks, squilliam.

I also want to clarify that I know that having a mental illness doesn't make anyone a bad person.

It's called munchausen syndrome. I do believe that possibility exists, so I don't see that as far fetched as you do. That's not to say Depp didn't strike her. I definitely think he did. But maybe not to the point where it would leave a mark and perhaps she decided to run with it anyway.

Found this info in the wiki entry about domestic violence in the US ...

... 22.1% of women and 7.4% of men having been physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, boyfriend, girlfriend or date in their lifetime (the preceding data is according to a 2000 U.S. Department of Justice Report).
I don't know what the incidence of Munchausen syndrome is, but it's got to be far less than 22.1%, or nearly a quarter of all women.

What I do think is possible is that she might have waited until an incident causing significant bruising occurred to file for divorce. If that's the case, then it would also be true that she knew it was just a matter of time till such an incident did occur. On the other hand, it could simply be that this incident was the trigger for her finally leaving.

Her character may or may not be stellar, but as I think others have mentioned, it's not right to put the victim on trial. There's also a very significant age difference here. She has just entered adulthood, while Depp has been an adult for decades. He's the one who in theory should be bringing maturity to this situation.
 
dissenting opinions should be welcomed and discussed reasonably for healthy debate to exist.

otherwise this would simply turn into a "let's slag depp" thread rather easily, and i assume none of us even know either of these celebs, so how could we possibly know the truth?

that's why i thought vanessa's comments weren't so out-of-line, because of course she's going to speak out on behalf of the father of her children, especially if he was a good man while he was with her. of course. it makes perfect sense. same with lily-rose's comments. does this make them bad people or wrong to speak out? in my opinion, no, it doesn't. not at all. vanessa shouldn't be shamed for speaking up for what she knows as the character of her childrens' father. she can at least speak with knowledge, unlike us.

i think depp has a short temper; he has a history of trashing things apparently. and he is using PR vs amber. but amber doesn't seem 100% innocent either. one article even said she kept calling johnny "Fat and Old" which, if he were calling a woman that, it could be seen as verbal abuse, non?

lots of times relationships - meaning both members - are utterly dysfunctional and escalate into worse, which is sad.

squilliam, i felt a little belittled ^_^ when i said the above about vanessa, like i was supposed to slag her for what she said or to assume she was lying or vindictive, or whatever.

but we should be able to voice all of our opinions, and even discuss them, without eye-rolling, snark, or name-calling.

after all, this isn't twitter. :lol::lol:

cheers all :flower: happy friday!!
 
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"After all, this isn't twitter!"

Or youtube, youtube is much much worse, if anyone starts insulting anyone else's grammar then you know it has completely gone downhill

And NPJ, I agree with you, we shouldn't gang up against vanessa for talking about someone she's known intimately for 14 years that none of us have ever met. Technically, her opinion matters more than ours.
Although, I read that he changed after meeting her and fatherhood though, but once she left perhaps he changed back, because I'm pretty sure vanessa also once said that it's Amber ' s fault that he's been drinking more, can anyone find that?

From a psychology point of view, sides will develop quickly based on personal schema, and people want to belong and not be rejected so they'll say what's popular. Hence our giant squabble here (which I started...I'm really really sorry about that)
 
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Thanks, squilliam.

I also want to clarify that I know that having a mental illness doesn't make anyone a bad person.



Found this info in the wiki entry about domestic violence in the US ...

I don't know what the incidence of Munchausen syndrome is, but it's got to be far less than 22.1%, or nearly a quarter of all women.

What I do think is possible is that she might have waited until an incident causing significant bruising occurred to file for divorce. If that's the case, then it would also be true that she knew it was just a matter of time till such an incident did occur. On the other hand, it could simply be that this incident was the trigger for her finally leaving.

Her character may or may not be stellar, but as I think others have mentioned, it's not right to put the victim on trial. There's also a very significant age difference here. She has just entered adulthood, while Depp has been an adult for decades. He's the one who in theory should be bringing maturity to this situation.

I tried googling maunchausen syndrome domestic abuse but didn't get enough credible results, and most are about maunchausen syndrome by proxy (which while mostly committed by women doesn't apply to this discussion at all). Maunchausen is done mainly to get attention/sympathy, but I don't know if they would be willing to slander someone else to get that attention. The hurting someone else is maunchausen syndrome by proxy, but that's when usually a mother hurts her own young child so people will feel bad for her because she has a sick child and it gets her positive attention.
Also these two syndromes are very hard to detect, because a person will usually actually be physically injured or ill, they either confess, get caught in the act (like someone sees them hit themselves or put poison in their kid's soup), or a pattern is found that seems suspicious.
 
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mod note

.. maybe a mod should keep an eye on inflammatory posts over here (faux shock displays, spiraling down into personal territory, etc), that may even get a discussion shut down when it's not even two members..

We are watching this thread, though we don't have a mod stationed in here 24/7. :wink:

I'm glad to see that the personal back-and-forth seems to be over and apologies made.

Please feel free to discuss your opinions but do remain respectful of dissenting opinions... you all know the drill.

This is a very volatile topic that has personal meaning to many of us I'm sure. All we can do here is discuss it, though... and try not to fall into abusing or publicly judging each other. :smile:
 
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One random thing I'm a bit grossed out by, but not at all surprised, is the amount of leeches these celebrities surround themselves by, unable to stand up for themselves even a little, you have the bodyguard "uhh please, boss..", the dumba*ss assistant fixing other people's relationship "he's a little lost boy, he says he's sorry for pushing you, also.. he cried", the friend "he's Johnny Depp, how could I ever disagree with him..". It's so sad. But I guess you also have to wonder what kind of person is okay with people that just worship you and never speak their mind. Probably the same narcissistic person that goes for a trophy wife.

Ever heard of the Stanley Milgram experiment? It showed that people will go against their conscience under the order of an authority figure (it essentially explains things like why people went along with the Holocaust).
They'll do something bad if an authority figure tells them to do it. If a person stands up and says no, then someone else might be willing to say no as well, but as long as everyone is conforming then rebels are less likely. It's a very disturbing thing and you think you won't fall for it, but it's happened in huge numbers before.
 
I just saw the TMZ picture on people magazine, so I retract my statement. It does to me look like a healing bruise, the pictures I saw were not very good quality.

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but why on earth does thins woman in her early 30's need a support in the amount of 40K monthly? They don't have children, why does she need financial support to begin with? Women wanted equality, so why do they think their ex should support them personally (not a child they could have had)?


She'd get it for about 7 months.
It's not a lot of money compared to Depp's personal wealth.
She has the right to ask financial compensation after the abuse. Her career is probably ruined (Depp has a lot of powerful friends in the industry), her image is also really damaged (most people are actually supporting Depp and calling Amber a "liar", "gold digger" and other insults). Besides, the medias are definitely supporting Depp.(he probably pays them).
Amber also has to pay her lawyers/legal bills, it's probably one of the reasons why she asks money.
 
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I wonder if Depp´s team is going to argue that Amber was violent and Johnny was defending himself when he hit her...? they might be getting desperate :innocent:
 
I wonder if Depp´s team is going to argue that Amber was violent and Johnny was defending himself when he hit her...? they might be getting desperate :innocent:

What I'm wondering is how much money TMZ is getting from Depp's team. They've taken an extremely biased take on this situation, irrespective of breaking the news.

Anyway, so now that we've cleared up that the text messages wasn't tampered with (which exposed this Deuter fellow as a liar), what's the next interrogation tactic?

Tech Expert Claims Amber Heard's Text Exchange with Johnny Depp's Assistant Is Authentic – as More Shocking Messages Emerge

By Jodi Guglielmi @JodiGug3
06/06/2016 AT 08:25 PM EDT

Amber Heard is standing by her alleged text exchange with Johnny Depp's assistant that claims to show a history of abuse – as more alleged messages surface detailing Depp's supposed remorse.

PEOPLE has exclusively obtained a signed statement by a computer forensic consultant who says he authenticated the May 25, 2014, time stamp on the text exchange, and asserts that none of its contents had been altered.

"On Sunday, June 5, 2016, I was asked to examine iPhone backups of Amber Heard. It was her normal routine to sync her iPhone on the computer," Kevin Cohen, the tech specialist, says in the signed document. "I forensically imaged and examined the device containing Ms. Heard's iPhone backups, and I conclude that the backups are authentic."

Along with the statement, PEOPLE has obtained additional text messages that allegedly show Heard and Stephen Deuters discussing the possibility of getting the actor medical attention.

In one message, Deuters and Heard talk about flying out a doctor to Boston (where Depp was filming Black Mass), who has the last name of a prominent L.A. addiction specialist. The messages also allege that Depp was open to receiving help at the time.

Depp's rep has not commented, and Deuters could not be reached for comment by PEOPLE.

According to TMZ, Deuters claims that the texts were doctored, and denies he ever said that Depp attacked Heard. He also says he was not aware of any incident in which Depp was allegedly abusive toward Heard, and would testify under oath he never had a conversation with Heard about alleged abuse.

In court documents responding to Heard's initial court filing for a temporary restraining order, Depp's attorney, Laura Wasser, alleged that Heard "is attempting to secure a premature financial resolution by alleging abuse."

Source: http://www.people.com/article/amber-heard-text-messages-expert-claims-authentic
 
I think that People is the most respected gossip mag/site so if they´re taking Amber´s side they gotta know her claims are true.
 
I'm starting to think that they were both physically and verbally abusive toward each other, especially if alcohol is involved. Johnny was probably too blacked out drunk to remember it and felt bad when he heard what he did, and they were both too in denial to end the relationship
 
^ if he felt bad about what he did then he wouldnt be doing all this imo... and judging from the texts between Amber and his assistant, he did remember.
But I do agree about their relationship being toxic with both of them being participants.
 
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I'm starting to think that they were both physically and verbally abusive toward each other, especially if alcohol is involved. Johnny was probably too blacked out drunk to remember it and felt bad when he heard what he did, and they were both too in denial to end the relationship

that's sort of what i said before, that it's possible they were mutually dysfunctional and abusive.

probably few of you would remember elizabeth taylor and richard burton? but they were both infamous alcohol abusers and reportedly verbally abusive towards each other all the time - perhaps even more than that, but there was no texting evidence or TMZ people back then.

i am not saying depp and heard were just like that, but it sounds like it was a rocky relationship on both sides, and now it's getting aired publicly as they leak and plant things in the press. she's now filing a defamation suit against his friend, while her friend is writing an "essay" for the press about depp's abuse. she's spilling the beans; depp's remaining silent.

it's going to be interesting to see if we learn more when they go to court in the middle of this month.
 
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^ Well, I wouldn't call his statement and apparently coordinating statements from others exactly silence :wink:
 
The friend/neighbor wrote this article for refinery29 yesterday.. I had seen her before but thought she was Lily's friend. She seems very close to the family.

WHY I CALLED 911
iO Tillet Wright

I called 911 because she never would. Because every time it happened, her first thought was about protecting him. Because every time it happened, the sweet, loving man we all cared for so much would come back with apologies, profuse, swearing up and down that he understood how bad what he had done was, and swearing never to do it again. We all loved him, but especially, especially her, and she wanted to believe that the behavior wasn't going to last.

The reports of violence started with a kick on a private plane, then it was shoves and the occasional punch, until finally, in December, she described an all-out assault and she woke up with her pillow covered in blood. I know this because I went to their house. I saw the pillow with my own eyes. I saw the busted lip and the clumps of hair on the floor. I got the phone call immediately after it happened, her screaming and crying, a stoic woman reduced to sobs.

I understood her heartbreak. He had been my friend, too, a person I loved very much. A person I had once referred to as a brother. A person with whom I had laughed at the absurdity of the media and their spicy claims about my role in their family. A person who came to my rescue in my darkest hour, who I have credited with saving my own life, who I lived with for a year by his invitation while I healed and worked. I knew him to be soft and gentle, with a temper and a dark side, but a golden heart. I didn’t want to believe it either, until I saw the wreckage.

When you call someone your brother, you also commit to calling them out when they are wrong. As she, shaking and crying, described this 195-pound man throwing the full weight of his body into head-butting his 120-pound wife in the face in a fit of rage, I found that an unforgivable line in my heart had been crossed.

I witnessed firsthand the absolutely baffling mental pretzel that an abused person puts themselves into, trying to balance the desire to protect their aggressor, with the knowledge that their swollen face is unacceptable. I listened as she cycled through things she could've possibly done to provoke him, or how she could've made him upset enough to do this.

I sat and listened, my own heart aching because I had so much care for the tender, generous man inside of all this rage, and yet...the bottom, unequivocal line is, nothing she ever could have said or done deserves what she describes as him dragging her up the stairs by the hair, punching her in the back of the head, choking her until she almost passed out, and smashing his forehead into her nose until it almost broke.

We say domestic violence is bad, we condemn it. But as a culture, we create the most fertile breeding ground for it to thrive. The cycle of abuse is perpetuated by every person who asserts that the victim more likely punched themselves rather than addressing the very real evidence of violence in front of them. The culture of victim-blaming is the very thing that protects abusers' ability to get away with this kind of behavior.

Right now, every battered woman in the world is watching this media circus, internalizing the message that when they come forward for help, when they break the cycle, they will be called a gold digger, a cheater, and be accused of having faked it all for attention.

I’m looking at every journalist, every editor, every person who puts a comment on an article pointing an uneducated finger. You are the lynch mob. You are a deafening chorus. Your searching for an explanation for why he would have hit her sends the clear message that there CAN be a reason why someone hits their spouse.

It doesn't matter what was said between the two lovers, it doesn't matter if the romance was coming to an end, because nothing warrants that response. No person, ever, should suffer violence at the hands of the person they love.

I watched a woman with a broken spirit go on national television the next night, covered in makeup, smiling through a bloody lip, who nearly jumped out of her seat when someone casually put a hand on her shoulder because she didn't know what was coming.

That's why, when it happened again, when I was on the phone with both of them and heard it drop, heard him say, “What if I pulled your hair back?” and her scream for my help, I wondered like so many times before if I should break the code of silence that surrounds celebrities and invite the police into the situation, and in a split second decided that, yes, I was going to. Because I realized that as long as I was protecting the abuser from consequences, I was enabling the abuse and I could no longer partake. I had to stand up for my friend, and for what I believe in my gut to be the code of conduct by which human beings have to behave with each other.

Whether we loved him or not has nothing to do with it. When it comes to violence, "love" is no longer part of the equation.
 
^This was actually really hard to get through, so much violence :(

I honestly hope they both get help, if this is all true (and it probably is, considering Johnny's violent past) then he definitely needs help to deal with his issues and Amber needs it as well to recover from all of this.
 
What a fantastic, articulate article--thanks for posting. She perfectly calls out the issues with the reactions to this news.

Given the extreme nature of the abuse described, it's almost unbelievable that this would never have surfaced in any way in his 14 years with Vanessa. The writer says she lived with him for a year and was well aware of his dark side ...

One summer when my parents were moving, I stayed with relatives, and I got a completely new understanding of the family dynamic (i.e., not a saint--instead tremendously passive-aggressive). Took me only a matter of weeks to get their numbers ...
 
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