Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[Kanzai]

TEA! The tension between Martin Margiela and Marina Yee (RIP). Karen Elson liked the post lol.

 

[MulletProof]

^ so sad and gross and yet so common throughout history.. Scott Fitzgerald and Zelda, Picasso and Gilot. I wonder what else was in the equation to make her quit the entire field.. or maybe it was her way to exhibit his lack of originality by removing the source.... never too effective! some people can do A LOT with the little they steal.

 

[LadyJunon]

^ so sad and gross and yet so common throughout history.. Scott Fitzgerald and Zelda, Picasso and Gilot. I wonder what else was in the equation to make her quit the entire field.. or maybe it was her way to exhibit his lack of originality by removing the source.... never too effective! some people can do A LOT with the little they steal.

The most depressing thing is that she really shot herself in the foot with that decision, especially when you see the legacies Dries and Ann built. Considering that Margiela didn't downright sink following her disappearance, she probably wasn't his only influence. Rei and Yohji share a lot of aesthetical and philosophical markers with him and Vionnet make more than a few appearances during his 20 years. The issue really boils down to the fact that Yee's aesthetic was so personal to her, so even mere inspiration can feel like identity theft. I feel for her.

 

[MulletProof]

^ that's just a snippet, though. Who knows what went down in their relationship. There's nothing else to conclude this was all in her head, self-sabotage or her subjective perception as you suggest. Identity theft is very common, especially with male-female dynamics in creative fields and they're talking about the time around his debut. That Margiela didn't sink means nothing, a good investor and PR, people genuinely believing your work is one-of-a-kind and borrowing from new characters every season to maintain momentum has been the recipe to reach stardom in fashion for years, especially with its tendency to overlook context and revise history.

We don't even know if fashion was her long-term passion or if she enjoyed being in the industry, she was pretty reclusive and became a teacher just like Walter. Dries and Ann were closer but they also created more commercial clothes, I wouldn't depict their success as a symbol of failure for the other 4.

 

[TurkicMongol]

 

[Cocteau Stone]

^ It’s been common (inside) knowledge for years now. Good that it’s more out there, but it’s too little too late. She’s never fostered a great working environment.

 

[TurkicMongol]

I know it is common industry practice but Findikoglu's brand is literally built by interns according to this article. It is hard to imagine a billions dollar industry would thrive in the exploitation of even interns which is probably the cheapest labor practice in modern history.

 

[neogrotesque]

This article was a topic of conversation at work today and my manager thinks it's all fake news bc the clothes are good and the younger generation are weak because they think doing chores is abuse; except I saw my manager scream at my coworker to the point of making her cry horribly in front of the whole office (for a problem completely beyond her control) just a few months ago 💀

Yes long hours are extremely normal in fashion but locking interns/seamstresses in the studio without food or bathroom access is how the triangle shirtwaist factory fire happens. Can we stop with the idea of the tortured artist yet??

 

[Cocteau Stone]

I know it is common industry practice but Findikoglu's brand is literally built by interns according to this article. It is hard to imagine a billions dollar industry would thrive in the exploitation of even interns which is probably the cheapest labor practice in modern history.

From memory, the interns have been the crux of her brand since the start. Low to no pay, whilst the brand itself is haemorrhaging money based on their public financial reports.

And the clothes suffice but they’re not great. Just reductive. It’s “branded” well because it’s easy to understand. She’s not that complex of a designer, hence the abuse of interns to pick up her own slack. It’s hard to say she’s using the tortured artist approach because nothing about her is really that “tortured” or deep.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

I was reading comments on the instagram post for the Dilara thing and Brooke Candy said JW Anderson kicked and killed a puppy in front of his staff ????

 

[Deleted member 143975]

There was a member who wrote about that some time ago. I personally find it hard to believe, but who knows.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

I just googled it and I listened to a clip from the trueanon podcast where they talk about it was a client's assistant's dog that he kicked to death in a fitting in Ireland. I know those crazy egotistical "important" people get away with a lot but that is next level psychotic to just brush under the rug with NDA's... I don't see how people could stand for that?? I really really hope it isn't true and it's just some troll making up stories that took off.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

Just say it then

 

[nunova]

^Nah, he won't do it publicly. It will be only mentioned in his paywalled slopstack post.

 

[neogrotesque]

Just say it then

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Isn't it Daniel Lee?

 

[psychopsist]

Isn't it Daniel Lee?

I think that is who he’s talking about yes. Not sure of what the actual allegation is though.

 

[neogrotesque]

The rumor I've heard is that somebody OD'd (and subsequently died) in his office while he was at Bottega (which is supposedly the reason for his abrupt dismissal). Lee's alleged drug habit was a souvenir passed down from PP during the Céline days

 

[justpassingthrough]

Ehh idk when I hear that a person “killed someone” the first thing that comes to mind isn’t that the person who was “killed” actually just ODed in their presence.

 

[LadyJunon]

Ehh idk when I hear that a person “killed someone” the first thing that comes to mind isn’t that the person who was “killed” actually just ODed in their presence.

When I see that tweet, I just think that Pisano has a grudge against Daniel Lee. One way deeper than simply saying a slur.

 

[Thefrenchy]

I don't believe anybody OD'd anywhere near Daniel Lee ever. Pisano, as @LadyJunon mentioned, just has had a vendetta against Lee forever and has been spreading lies for clout for years now. Even to the extent of accusing him of being r*cist. I mean, looking at who was brand ambassador/friend of the house during his tenure debunks that narrative quite easily... Very good friends worked directly with him when he was at BV and while he doesn't seem the easiest person to work with, he's nowhere near the monster some have been trying to portray him as for years now. According to my sources, they sacked him because he allegedly had a really terrible relationship with the execs and that trickled down in the day-to-day operations of the brand across departments. In the end, the suits won by teaching him a lesson and telling him that he wasn't invincible. And his replacement was allegedly very aware of that and played ball instead of playing against them.

Regarding that JWA story, it has been around for years. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't just extrapolated bs.

Now I'm curious as to how a certain fashion favourite has done to keep her public image so pristine because from what I heard from people who left her company since then, she loves to throw shoes at people's faces and has a tendency to easily belittle design team members... Ah the power one holds when they're quiet enough and let the work speaks for itself... You'd almost buy who they try to make you believe they are...