Edie Sedgwick #1

[opaline]

I have read Edie's biography by Jean Stein numerous times as well as have studied her entire life beyond just that book. I have my opinions on Andy Warhol. I know a lot of you disagree with me. That's alright. To each his own.

Opaline, Andy purchased silver and blonde wigs towards the beginnings of the 1960's because of his thinning hair, which apparently he was quite embrassed of. I'm quite sure Edie wasn't the first one to ever wear silver in her hair or do the typical "60's eye make-up". As for Warhol approaching her, it's my understanding that Chuck Wein introduced them for purposes to further her career and his [Chuck]. From what I've read, Edie had no idea what pop art even was. While she seemed to be an intelligent, beautiful young lady, she certainly wasn't "the most special" of the whole Warhol gang. Andy Warhol himself was extremely intelligent and quite an artist. The best in the history of history? Probably not, but he certainly did have a hand in changing America. Andy himself apparently didn't approve of drugs, but that's more than likely questionable. He encouraged her to try and sleep without sleeping pills, and I doubt he tried to encourage her to use drugs, since she had been using them before she met him, but from my impression, just not as heavily. She supposedly was rather "wild" all of her life. And they both parted ways mutually since she had spent her inheritance and he couldn't afford to pay her. As for Diana Vreeland calling her, it was a different editor that arranged the shoot, which for the life of me, I cannot remember her name. You really should read the Edie book, it will clear up alot for you. A great many of her friends who did try to help would say that she stole their drugs, stole their money, etc etc. She had already come into her inheritance and was spending it like mad before she met Warhol, so she didn't spend it all on him. Like I said, you should really read the Edie book to straighten out a great many of your ideas.

Liberty Bell - it's so nice to see you posting again! :]

 

[fairyx]

Actually not everything I said about Fuzzy is speculation as I have many recordings of Edie with her discussing him in drastic detail and very little of it was published in Jean Stein's biography (probably out of respect for the family.) This information I have discussed about her has ALL come from reliable inside sources, a lot of whom wished to remain anonymous. Andy Warhol was a jerk. The point is he promised to pay her each time he asked her to be in another film. Which means he is a liar. I perfectly understand his homeless hanger-ons were so *graciously* allowed by Andy to live in that trash heap of a warehouse and most of the others in his films didn't care about being paid because they were desperate for their "15 minutes of fame." Edie was more than that. Again, he promised to pay her and if he didn't have the money to pay her then he should never offered to pay her in the first place. Edie wanted a career, she wanted to be a real actress and continue modeling and as soon as Andy heard she was talking with agents and working out deals for possible upcoming projects he became enraged and started ignoring her. This information is all documented and is not based on speculation-it is on record from reliable witnesses and from Andy himself. He has clearly admitted that he was a self-absorbed hack and that his art was really meaningless and the whole identification of his art as expressing America's obsession with consumerism came from the critics analysis on what they thought his work was trying to represent-to Andy it all meant nothing. Read his diaries, read every book ever written about him and see all his t.v. interviews and listen to all his audio interviews -it all comes straight from his banal-voiced mouth.

Anyways, I have many copies of recorded interviews (that most probably haven't heard) of Edie talking about her personal life in great detail regarding her father, incest within the family and sexual abuse.) I was able to get these copies by sending out requests to sources that I obtained through the company I work for who have contact information on many people that were part of Warhol's scene and who knew Edie and had some of her belongings and recordings of hers that were left at the Factory and apartments/various other places. Some of these recordings are known to be made by Andy and others are by various other people. SO basically in a nutshell, I know what I'm talking about and I don't go around repeating fodder that people have just assumed or speculated about Edie. I've actually done extensive research.

I don´t really think there is much to discuss in this matter, we weren´t there! we don´t know for sure what happened.
even if you have heard several tapes of her talking about various stuff, you still don´t know if she was lying or perhaps acting in these recordings.

also, Edie wasn´t the most important person in Andy´s life, they spent like a year together, a very intense year, but still, there have been alot of different people around Andy throughout the years.
and with the drugs and all, everything spins so fast, it can be hard to keep track of who, when and where.

it´s not nice to hear how Andy reacted when he found out that Edie had died, of course, but I somehow understand him.
some years ago I had a wild and crazy life, I had very close friends which I shared everything with, even an apartment for 2 years. there were a constant party going on.
suddenly we lost contact, and, as horrible as this may sound, if I would find out that one of them just died, I would probably react the same way as Andy did when he heard of Edie´s death.

only because we think this was an important time in Edie´s life, and we love her, and we think that this part of her life, would be equally as important to the other people around her at that time, doesn´t mean that it is.

sure, when we read books about Edie, like Jean Stein´s book, people are telling stories about her, because they knew her back then. if it was a book about Viva (just an example), all the stories would be about her, and reading the book, we would think she was the most important person in Andy´s life, and in the Factory.

oh I could go on forever....

 

[opaline]

I am sorry if my opinions or the information that I have published here seem to have upset some people (or so it seems they may have as it's hard to determine ones feelings through communication via the internet.) I just want to make it clear that I am not here to argue, so if I have upset anyone I do apologize.

[SIZE=-1]"I'd like to turn on the whole world for a moment... just for a moment. ..."-Edie Sedgwick from CIAO! Manhattan[/SIZE]
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[SusanSuperstar]

^You didn´t upset anyone, I think it´s interesting too read everyones opinion! And everyone here is free to write their own opinion and thoughts!

 

[opaline]

I am not sure if these have been posted here before...

I am an avid collector of costume jewelry and have been so ecstatic that Kenneth Jay Lane and Erickson Beamon have made similar and/or re-issues of their original designs from the 60's and 70's. I know that quite a few pages back, someone posted the Edie earrings offered on shopbop.com (they are still available and I couldn't resist buying all of them-eek: $$$ . Anyways, I just received this pair of Kenneth Jay Lane Couture earrings from vivre.com. They look to be like a pair that Edie may have owned or at least very similar.) I believe they measure approximately 5" long and about 3" wide and they are clip-ons but they come with removable cushions on the clasps so they don't feel so tight on your ear lobes. They cost $350.00, but the real downside for me was that the cheapest shipping and handling option was $30 for UPS ground!!! They are so beautiful and well-made!

These are also available at electricladyland.com, but in a light rosy pink-not black.
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[babydoll1125]

it´s not nice to hear how Andy reacted when he found out that Edie had died, of course, but I somehow understand him.
some years ago I had a wild and crazy life, I had very close friends which I shared everything with, even an apartment for 2 years. there were a constant party going on.
suddenly we lost contact, and, as horrible as this may sound, if I would find out that one of them just died, I would probably react the same way as Andy did when he heard of Edie´s death.

I used to think that about my old friends, too. People who i spent everyday with for a year or to and then we drifted apart. If they died i wouldn't really know what to feel because it's been so long and i barely remember.

I am an avid collector of costume jewelry and have been so ecstatic that Kenneth Jay Lane and Erickson Beamon have made similar and/or re-issues of their original designs from the 60's and 70's. I know that quite a few pages back, someone posted the Edie earrings offered on shopbop.com (they are still available and I couldn't resist buying all of them-eek: $$$ . Anyways, I just received this pair of Kenneth Jay Lane Couture earrings from vivre.com. They look to be like a pair that Edie may have owned or at least very similar.) I believe they measure approximately 5" long and about 3" wide and they are clip-ons but they come with removable cushions on the clasps so they don't feel so tight on your ear lobes. They cost $350.00, but the real downside for me was that the cheapest shipping and handling option was $30 for UPS ground!!! They are so beautiful and well-made!

These are also available at electricladyland.com, but in a light rosy pink-not black.​

I wanted to get big Edie earings but i don't think i could pull them off. I'm only 5'1 and i think they'd overpower me! Very cute though.

 

[Stamoholic]

I am sorry if my opinions or the information that I have published here seem to have upset some people (or so it seems they may have as it's hard to determine ones feelings through communication via the internet.) I just want to make it clear that I am not here to argue, so if I have upset anyone I do apologize.

Not at all!
That's what makes a thread interesting- different opinions and debates!
I wasn't questioning what you had written because I was angry or upset with you, it was more because I was of a different view and felt perhaps I didn't know all the information. That's all! It's good to have you here!

 

[fairyx]

I´m just happy this thread is up and going again! it was quite dead for a while...

has anyone heard anything about the Girl on Fire movie?

 

[fairyx]

btw... I now have 465 signatures in my petition, I had totally forgotten about it...

how many more do you think I need?

 

[Bela Lugosi]

Actually not everything I said about Fuzzy is speculation as I have many recordings of Edie with her discussing him in drastic detail and very little of it was published in Jean Stein's biography (probably out of respect for the family.) This information I have discussed about her has ALL come from reliable inside sources, a lot of whom wished to remain anonymous.

I really doubt this

 

[madison01]

Wow, I went away for a few days but I never thought THIS much discussion would go on in this thread... haha. Good to see different perspectives though!

btw Bela Lugosi, I love your username
Dracula is one of my all time favorites...

 

[angel222]

The whole discussion about the incest I believe is real, I've read Jean Stein's bio many, many, many times. My opinion is that she came from an incestuous background, her oldest sister Saucie had mentioned that Duke (Fuzzy) had made a sexual pass at her as well. Multiple people had documented the perverse sexual shenanigans of her father so I tend to believe she was subjected to sexual abuse. Let's not forget her father had a family history of mental illness which caused him to abuse his children, and wife miserably.

 

[~Gia~]

Is there anywhere online that you can see ' Poor Little Rich Girl'?
Someone needs to open a definitive Edie fanpage, with a compendium of her pictures, videos, monologues, quotes etc.
I would visit it everyday!!!

You have to download "emule" and then type in "poor little rich girl 1965" in the search bar and boom!

 

[fashionistasista]

btw... I now have 465 signatures in my petition, I had totally forgotten about it...

how many more do you think I need?

enough for a print run so that the company will figure that they will get their money back, so something like 50,000 too bad cause i would love this!

perhaps you could approach a boutique agency, and see who has the rights to the movies, lay it all out to the agency and you may be able to have a hit... you'd still need a signed ballot in the 1000's though, but probably like 5,000

so many people needed!

 

[Stamoholic]

^ Maybe go to some more sites like this one with Edie pages and try and get some attention that way, if you haven't already,

 

[odelay]

enough for a print run so that the company will figure that they will get their money back, so something like 50,000 too bad cause i would love this!

perhaps you could approach a boutique agency, and see who has the rights to the movies, lay it all out to the agency and you may be able to have a hit... you'd still need a signed ballot in the 1000's though, but probably like 5,000

so many people needed!

The Warhol foundation owns all those movies. This came from the FAQ at http://www.warholfoundation.org/:



Q: I'd like to use Warhol imagery in an advertisement or in
other commercial ways such as licensing merchandise.
How can I do this?

A: You can contact Michael Hermann, The Licensing Director at the Foundation, Tel: 212-387-7555, Fax: 212-387-7560.



Q: I've heard that Andy Warhol was a filmmaker as well
as a painter and printmaker. How can I see his films?

A: The Andy Warhol Museum in Pittsburgh, PA, shows his films on an ongoing basis. The Circulating Film Library of The Museum of Modern Art in New York City is the distributor of the films, and may be reached at Tel: 212-708-9530, or Fax: 212-708-9531. Scholars and other individuals interested in viewing Warhol's films may contact the Film Study Center at The Museum of Modern Art at 212-708-9614 to arrange screenings.

 

[angel222]

I really doubt this

I wouldn't be surprised if these tapes are for real. You must understand that Jean Stein completed the biography in 1982, a decade after Edie died in 1972. Ten months before Edie died while making Ciao Manhattan there were a catalog of voice recordings made by Edie detailing her entire life. David Weisman and John Palmer gave those tapes to Jean Stein which she used to write Edie: American Girl. It was after 1982 that David Weisman saw Jean Stein again, and asked for the tapes back. These tapes supposedly talked about the incest, and crazy life. For all we know the poster Opaline could be either David Weisman/John Palmer or one of their friends or relatives who have the tapes. Have an open mind.

 

[babydoll1125]

Didn't they put those on CD and include them with the Girl On Fire book? I have that book and on the CD she talks about her family and her time with Warhol. But she doesn't say anything about incest. Are you saying that there is audio they didn't include where she talks about incest?

 

[angel222]

^ Actually in Edie: American Girl by Stein, the Ciao Manhattan tapes of Edie speaking were laced throughout the book. She does talk about incest with her father and brother, below is an excerpt from the book regarding it. What Opaline was saying is that the accusations were more explicit based on the tapes she has, lord knows how she got them. David Weisman and John Palmer were part of the factory scene as they originally wanted Factory Superstar Susan Bottomly (International Velvet) to do the film. I could imagine the recordings were from that time (1967) onto 1971. The Sedgwick name is still famous in California they gave UC Santa Barbara over 5,000 acres of land as a sanctuary to study nature, it was in the news recently because of the fires in Southern California that burned everything to the ground. Perhaps Opaline was right to save face for the Sedgwick clan some of the details were left out.

http://books.google.com/books?id=1C...NnZ&sig=U6nLPXjCctqnufI_zphmgDwGwos#PPA117,M1

 

[babydoll1125]

I know that Edie said those things. I've read that Edie book and listened to the Girl On Fire CD. But it's just something that could easily be false. In the Edie book people also say that Edie would make things up a lot and considering that those tapes were made when Edie was very heavily into drugs i wouldn't be suprised if this was the case. I think she had a lot of issues with her whole family, especially her father, but no one knows the truth. None of her brothers or sisters have ever confirmed her accusations or made any of their own, have they?