Madonna to Adopt a baby

[mundodabolsa]

Exactly. Madonna seems to be doing this for publicity, while Angelina didn't. If Madonna wanted to adopt a baby, she should have adopted an orphan, not a child who already had a living parent!
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Yes the kid has a living parent, but that living parent gave him up for adoption because he did not have the means to raise the child himself. The father wanted his son to be adopted. The child is not less worthy of adoption because both his parents aren't dead.
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[tifa]

What parent wants their child to be adopted? As far as I know, he put him up for adoption because he had to. He could not afford to support him and bring him up. That is a reason why many children, in any country are put up for adoption. One of my best friends was adopted for the same reason, her parents simply couldn't afford to bring her up. She has never had any contact with them but she always asked herself why. So I agree that a child is not less worthy but there are other matters to take into consideration.

 

[mundodabolsa]

^we're saying the exact same thing by the way

 

[J'ador-DioR]

This will turn out to be the next big trend in celebworld . I still believe the child is better off without her.

 

[sexydaydreamer]

Yes the kid has a living parent, but that living parent gave him up for adoption because he did not have the means to raise the child himself. The father wanted his son to be adopted. The child is not less worthy of adoption because both his parents aren't dead.

I'm not saying the child is less worthy for adoption but there are so many kids in Africa that don't even have a parent living and I feel that if one is to adopt a baby, you might as well adopt one that has NO family whatsoever. I mean, I'm glad the baby is getting a better chance in life and all, but what about all the other children who don't even know who there parents are?

Btw, I don't think the father wanted to put the child up for he adoption; he had to. It was his only chance for his son to have a better life.
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[mundodabolsa]

I'm not saying the child is less worthy for adoption but there are so many kids in Africa that don't even have a parent living and I feel that if one is to adopt a baby, you might as well adopt one that has NO family whatsoever. I mean, I'm glad the baby is getting a better chance in life and all, but what about all the other children who don't even know who there parents are?

Btw, I don't think the father wanted to put the child up for he adoption; he had to. It was his only chance for his son to have a better life.
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You guys are misunderstanding me. I didn't say he wanted to put his child up for the adoption in the same way he wants to drink coke instead of water at lunch, I said he couldn't raise the child on his own, therefore giving it up for adoption. Meaning his choice (no matter how hard of a choice it is) is for the child to have a better life than what he can provide. As per his own words, the idea behind sending the child to the orphange was not because he wanted the child to sit in the orphange, but rather he wanted a family with the ability to give the child more opportunities to be able to raise him.

On this point, we are all saying the same thing.

 

[newprincesita]

I think she did a good deed. The child is a blessing for her and she is probabbly a blessing for the child. She seems very involved in the education of her natural children and I think she will be very dedicated to the " little new comer", too...

I agree with you. I prefer to give Madonna the benefit of doubt, a thing that a lot of people (surely a lot better informed than me) are not willing to do.

The only information we have about celebrities is what we can know though the media. We don´t know Angelina and we don´t know Madonna personally. We don´t have access to their lives.


But somehow a lot of people around here can assure that Angelina is full of love and great intentions and Madonna is only acting for publicity.

That´s odd.

 

[dizzytacks]

What the FXXK, who decided on the name of this thread. I am at a loss of words. This thread not only demonizes, citizens of malawai, or members of this thread with malawi heritage, but adoptive parents, philanthropists, and madonna for doing a good thing. Who gives anyone the right to question someones actions and integrity based on their past or "persona" which is culturally dictated. I am assuming none of you know madonna nor have ever been adoptive parents or planning on adoption. I am requesting that the name of this thread be changed!!!

 

[mellowdrama]

I don't think anyone's demonizing Malawians, adoptive parents, or philanthropy. But Madonna--hell, yes--and it's because she's used her wealth and influence to go about this adoption in an extra-legal fashion. We're assuming it's better to be a rich, privileged adopted child than it is to be a poor African. Fifty years from now, the first may well be last and vice versa. Madonna's chits may well be valueless then. Madonna's philanthropy comes with strings attached--a pseudo-faith-based, faux-Kabbalah, a pop-religion bastardization of esoteric Judaism whose primary concern is fulfilling material wants and needs:

"When we identify and work to transform our self-centered qualities and crooked characteristics, the key turns and the gates unlock. Blessings and good fortune are now free to rain down upon us".--blurb from Kabbalah Center book, The 72 Names of God

So if you end up like Job, covered in scabs in a dung heap, with some less than celestial substance raining down upon you: take your wife's advice--curse God and die. Unlike Madonna, you must be besmirched with egotism and crooked characteristics. Be a little purer, and good things will happen to you. That's how it works, you know. God responds to carefully constructed, sincere, and egoless flattery. You will be safe and all you needs be met. He will never toy with you for sh*ts and giggles, as he has with Job and those naughty Africans.

We shall set them straight with our superior, enlightened ways.

 

[tifa]

You said what I wanted to in an articulate way mellowdrama

 

[mellowdrama]

^ I have so much more to say than that! Madonna does deserve happiness and privacy and children and abundance--I don't think it's so simplistic to say that one person's wealth causes another's poverty. I do think the consciousness-raising about the problems in Africa and elsewhere is sincere and well-meant. However, good intentions aren't enough. Looking at the general trend of population decline in industrialized nations in Europe, Japan, and America--with our expanding elderly people and shrinking youth--the first will be last, and the last will be first. If anything, I think this trend of Third World baby-adoption by the megawealthy is some sort of totemistic idea of protection. We assume we can sell this aspirational crap to poor people everywhere, and they'll thank us for it.

The truth of the matter is on a planet where the population is expanding in places like Africa, South America, and the Indian subcontinent, as well as China--the entire European and American post-colonial culture will not hold. People everywhere want to live a decent life, with their own nations' modest wealth, cultures, languages and religions.

Would we permit a modestly poor but able African family to adopt an unwanted American orphan to be raised in loving poverty in Africa? Or is the good life having lots of stuff and living 86 years, only to die and live another 86 years when they drop your brain in your new, perfect petri-dish grown body? We priviliged Americans don't like the look of suffering, but suffering is real, death is real, tragedy is real. Help, indeed, but help without pity, help without proselytizing, help without arming one side over another.

Okay, I'm done on that. God Bless you, Madonna and your magic, charmed existence. We'd sure love to live exactly the same, but who will pick up the mess?

 

[lady B]

I think people are making a big deal for nothing

I'm african myself and children are dying there because their families can't feed them only because they already have to many children.

This little boy is extremily lucky,he'll get a great education,3 meals a day for the rest of his life and he'll live in a castle in London.What's wrong with that ??? even if she's doing that for publicity what's the problem ????as long as she takes care of him and treat him like her own child............that's great.

How do you know if Angelina is not adopting for publicity too ???are you her or Brad Pitt ???

I know that it's not fair cause most people who want to adopt kids have to wait at leat one year but hey everybody can't be Madonna that's sad to say but it's the truth.

 

[mellowdrama]

I don't think it's so simplistic to say that one person's wealth causes another's poverty.

Correction--I do think it's simplistic to say one's wealth causes another's poverty. My double-negatives will be the death of me. I think I'll still manage a smile, though.

 

[Scott]

I think the line of unsavoury is that perhaps she's kind of exploiting the issue rather than actually raising more awareness for this region. As if she's going about it in such a way that if she donates money and adopts a baby people will start to consider her this great humanitarian.

If this truly out of superfice and her own benefits....I would find her even more sad and disgusting that I already do.

 

[taperjeangirl]

What the FXXK, who decided on the name of this thread. I am at a loss of words. This thread not only demonizes, citizens of malawai, or members of this thread with malawi heritage, but adoptive parents, philanthropists, and madonna for doing a good thing. Who gives anyone the right to question someones actions and integrity based on their past or "persona" which is culturally dictated. I am assuming none of you know madonna nor have ever been adoptive parents or planning on adoption. I am requesting that the name of this thread be changed!!!

I tell you what - I am a mother and I am a real mother - when my daughter is ill it is ME who tends to her.... and when she wants a story it is ME or my husband who reads it to her. Madonna is a poor excuse for a mother she has even admited that she has never once changed a nappy!!!! The only thing Madonna knows about her children is what the hired help tells her... other then that I don't think she knows the first thing about REAL motherhood!

 

[dizzytacks]

i dont give a shxt about madonna, but it is this judgement of her actions that is astounding to me, and the name of this thread. i think it a simple request but it seems that i am asking for too much. Can i get this threads name adjusted. PLEASE.

 

[Zen]

I as a person who was once an orphan from South Korea and so was my sister, I really don't know what to think of all the comments in here. I know that I never knew my biological father, and for my biological mother she died from an illness, then soon after I was this homeless 6 year old living out on the streets. Thank goodness for people who supposedly was a relative found me and in their good conscious put me into an orphanage. As for my sister, when she was just few weeks old she wasn't wanted by her mother. She was dumped off into a baby shoot at a near by police station in Seoul, Korea. Both my sister and I are so greatful to be where we are today. We both may not be biological sisters or biological daughters and sisters to our American family, but we are a family. What really should matter is for each and every individual to have an opportunity to love and to be loved and to be happy. Regarless of this childs situation he should have an opportunity to get that love and happiness as well.....

 

[Diorling]

You'd think she was a cannibal by the responses that this thread is getting.

Alright, she's trying to help, that's my defense. My offense is that she's being rather self-righteous.

 

[mellowdrama]

You'd think she was a cannibal by the responses that this thread is getting.

Perhaps she's not one of the flesh, but the argument could be made of Madonna's essential spiritual cannibalism. But as she's apparently just a cipher, unknown and insignificant, daring to comment on her culture-vulture anthropophagy says nothing about her and everything about me. Regardless of that, I must say I'd have more respect for a cannibal proper than Madonna. They're more honest about their desires and care nothing about wanting to be seen in a good light.

 

[tifa]

Father and baby Dad: I Didn't Understand
Updated: 13:52, Sunday October 22, 2006

The father of the baby boy Madonna wants to adopt has claimed he never intended his son to be adopted by the pop star - only for her to raise the child on his behalf.

His comments add a fresh twist to the saga that has gripped world attention over recent weeks.

Yohane Banda says he had no idea Madonna wanted to fully adopt his 13-month-old son David.

"Had they told us that Madonna wanted to adopt my son and make him her own son, we would not have agreed to that," he said.

Mr Banda added: "I cannot read and write so I relied on what the (government) officials told me that the papers said Madonna would look after the child the way the orphanage planned to educate him and then he comes back to me."

Asked if he had any copies of the agreements he signed with Madonna, Mr Banda said: "I am still waiting to get my copies."

Speaking from his home town of Lipunga, he told Reuters that Madonna had asked that she be able to raise his one-year-old son on his behalf, rather than the child becoming her own.

"It would have been better for him to continue staying at the orphanage because I see no reason why my child should be given away forever when I can feed him," he said.

His statement is a major shift from his earlier remarks when he railed against human rights groups that have gone to court to stop the star from adopting his son.

Madonna released a statement earlier this week saying she was amazed at the amount of criticism levelled at her over the adoption.

And she has also insisted that she has acted entirely within the law to "help one child escape an extreme life of hardship".

On Friday, the High Court in Lilongwe will begin hearing a case lodged by the Human Rights Consultative Committee (HRCC), an alliance of 67 human rights groups, which argues current Malawi laws forbid international adoption, even by celebrities.

Oh, and this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411769&in_page_id=1770

I know it's the Daily Mail but this story is definitely interesting.

Madonna is a liar. Always will be. If she can't even pay back all the people who helped her raise herself to the top and give them respect then how can you expect her to tell the truth about this. Do you believe everything that comes out of a celebrities mouth? Just because she makes music that somehow she is a saint, a good mother....just because she has money? Look at Joan Crawford. Look at the way half of Hollywood's kids turn out and tell me that is good parenting.