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Marc Jacobs F/W 2006.07 New York

Caffeine said:
regarding the comments about usign other people's designs...
Marc uses real people as inspiration, so whatever spirit or some elements of fashion on streets, he will make it and push it to a pure style. So if you dig into all the elements, of course everything has a source. On the constrast, some people designs from nothing or concepts, so maybe something fresh will show up. However, fresh ideas don't always translate to a valid style for real people. So I would say that there are just two kinds of designers, and it's just that they have different ways of design. If Marc can make the styles cool and wearable, then he is a great designer. CDG is great, but what % of clothes can we find from her collections to wear? Then what % of clothes from the Marc collection can we wear? They are simply designers with different purpose/goals.

I know what you mean... and I think you're right in a way about the two sort of designers.

However, Prada would be in the same category as MJ, but her collections are way more distinct imo. I agree with someone who said that MJ's designs lack identity. In contrast to Prada's.

If we are going to accept the two categories of fashion designers, then I don't get the fuss about him even if I put him in the one with the more wearable, "non-conceptual" clothes. Marni has much better designes too imo, but you can still tell her pieces apart even if you saw them amongst 30 other brands.

I don't see how being wearable means that the House should lack in identity. I believe that this happens when you are trying to open up your target group to accommodate all the buyers you can.

I didn't like his vintagey pieces but at least you could tell they were his. Now, his clothes can be worn by anyone with no exception, regardless of the personality and the style. To me this is not fashion. This is mass production and Zara-fication.
 
melt977 said:
I know what you mean... and I think you're right in a way about the two sort of designers.

However, Prada would be in the same category as MJ, but her collections are way more distinct imo. I agree with someone who said that MJ's designs lack identity. In contrast to Prada's.

If we are going to accept the two categories of fashion designers, then I don't get the fuss about him even if I put him in the one with the more wearable, "non-conceptual" clothes. Marni has much better designes too imo, but you can still tell her pieces apart even if you saw them amongst 30 other brands.

I don't see how being wearable means that the House should lack in identity. I believe that this happens when you are trying to open up your target group to accommodate all the buyers you can.

I didn't like his vintagey pieces but at least you could tell they were his. Now, his clothes can be worn by anyone with no exception, regardless of the personality and the style. To me this is not fashion. This is mass production and Zara-fication.

you know, I never thought that Marc's clothes are lack of identity. I don't know how many people here really wear and go to his boutiques and look at the clothes closely, but now I can spot his clothes right away (sometimes far away), but how can you tell the difference b/w Prada, Miumiu, and Marni (some of Marni outfits are extremely Prada-like although not all)?
 
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melt977 said:
I didn't like his vintagey pieces but at least you could tell they were his. Now, his clothes can be worn by anyone with no exception, regardless of the personality and the style. To me this is not fashion. This is mass production and Zara-fication.

hmm, to me 'modern' fashion is totally wearable and should be able to be adapted by everyone at anyplace on this planet..
the fact is also explained by the fact that Jacobs, Prada and Chloe are three of the most copied designers for the uber-global mass market, this is what the mass client dreams of, real, commercially attractive clothes with just a bit of a twist.

over experimentations and 'crazy' painstaking design for the sake of braking rules may be esthetically exciting for the 'fashion crowd' but it seems marginal as far as 'mainstream' mass clients go.
People want clothes they can live in..

in my book, shock effect is so not 2006.
 
Caffeine said:
you know, I never thought that Marc's clothes are lack of identity. I don't know how many people here really wear and go to his boutiques and look at the clothes closely, but now I can spot his clothes right away (sometimes far away), but how can you tell the difference b/w Prada, Miumiu, and Marni (some of Marni outfits are extremely Prada-like although not all)?

Maybe I just don't get him....
 
the wwd review ;)
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The New Grunge - Marc Jacobs
Marc Jacobs: "I'm furious," Marc Jacobs said the night before his show, grousing again about the early calendar. "And I don't know who to be mad at." Jacobs might as well have been talking about the collection he would show on Monday, as it, too, was furious — a furious explosion of ebullient fashion delivered in a blatant treatise on latter-day grunge.
One could argue that with the world in turmoil, the timing is perfect for such a display, but runway politicking has never been Jacobs' forte. Nevertheless, the moment Karen Elson emerged to open the show, her pregnancy barely apparent under a girlish mossy green smock, the mood just felt right, the ladylike fluff elsewhere turning anemic in comparison. The muse here was a flesh-and-blood relative of last fall's Violet Incredible, a girl ready to direct her pent-up angst at no one in particular. Yet — and this is where Jacobs has always diverged from genuinely angry designers — the edge is never truly aggressive. Even at their least frilly, Jacobs' collections always have a glimmer of optimism; he doesn't do hard. To him, the moody palette and endless layers were about the realities of dressing for cold weather in a modern, casual way, and for all the dissonance of multiple textures and patterns, in the end, cozy trumped combative. Still, there's no question that since the huge success of his girly tweeds awhile back, Jacobs has focused on de-prettying his lineup.
He showed against a stunning skyline set, conceived and constructed in under a week by Stefan Beckman, to the mesmerizing serenity of Philip Glass music. His girls wore piles of stuff, from their overgrown sequined berets and fur hats down to those demonized, late-arriving shoes; in fact, this collection had as much going on from the knees down as some others do head-to-toe. And it featured more references than Funk & Wagnalls: "It's all the designers I love, the people I know, all tossed together," Jacobs said. For starters, read Rei Kawakubo, Yves Saint Laurent, and the great sportswear pioneers of Seventh Avenue, along with Sofia, Winona and Rachael. There were jackets over sweaters over dresses over pants over thick legwarmers over lacy leggings and on and on, each look revealing surprises upon discretion. For example, along with the delicate dishevelment of filmy black gowns, Jacobs also cut evening columns from murky wool plaid. Coats came half fur and half wool; tony knits trailed extravagant appendages; tunics and skirts took shape from seemingly random knots. And there were bags, bags, bags, because emergency skylines don't come cheap.
Once again, this collection triggered wildly differing opinions, as some in the audience found all the stuff too much. But sometimes too much is wonderful, especially when the individual pieces are so exquisite. Still, one vocal critic saw room for improvement. "I'm still mad," Jacobs said back at the Armory on Tuesday before his Marc by Marc Jacobs show. "With more time, it could have been better."

i dont agree with the grunge title, i dont see this as grunge , not at all
to me this show is heavily influenced from Miguel Adrover's melting pot concept, imo, his name should be mentioned instead of Kawakubo's or :blink: ysl..
 
Kimkhuu said:
some pieces are too unflattering....

i love some of the skirts though...: the ones that are supposed to look like you wrapped a jacket around your waist.... ...very nice...! :heart:

I really didn't want to post on a MJ thread, I honestly think he is a very, very lucky and successful stylist and "adapter" of other people's design ideas, not a designer or creator. You can be assured when you see a "fresh", interesting idea/concept in MJ, it originates from someone else, as "inspiration". Even then, some of his looks are so "off" (the garish tiger furs), one wonders whether the better looks are put together by someone else which would explain the schizophrenic mix - cool, hip one minute and then totally hideous next.

I have an explanation for the witty tie-front skirt...from Ann-Sophie (2-seasons) Back!:rolleyes:
 

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And even though they have attended all the shows and *know* how blatant the "inspiration" gets, not one freakin editor is even going to mention it.....

If anyone would throw some money at me, i'd get a couple of tfsers and together, we can throw up a collection like this one by compiling the fun-est looks from the coolkest designers, labelled "inspired by MJ" and we'd charge 1/3 the price for it too.
 
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this ann-sophie skirt seems so much better than the Jacobs copy..
unfortunately, fashion journalists seem to know so much less than tFS members do.. not to say they keep their mouth shut due to 'advertising interests'

thanks for bringing this copy-cat issue up zazie ;)
 
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Exactly what I've hated about Marc(and Prada) for ages. Is that not disgusting to anybody? It's not as if Ann-Sofie is some big money-making designer who can consider it as flattery....that's stealing her ideas for Marc Jacobs' egotistical benefit!

Thank heavens I have no intentions of being a fashion journo as I would totally oust all these slimy designers and make these elements known to the public.
 
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Zazie said:
If anyone would throw some money at me, i'd get a couple of tfsers and together, we can throw up a collection like this one by compiling the fun-est looks from the coolkest designers, labelled "inspired by MJ" and we'd charge 1/3 the price for it too.

haha if you get the money, I'm in:D

about the whole stealing ann sofies design.. I'm not so sure that he did.. there are so many designers out there at the moment doing so many different stuff that I think it might be quite hard to create something that you would think is new without anyone else having already done it...

.. but I do think that he is extremly overrated.. if a newcomer had created this collection I don't think that some of the critics would have embraced it as they have with this one
It's like just because it's marc jacobs they must like it.. some forget looking at what he actually put on the runway..
 
i think this collection is horrid......
just awful.....there isnt a single piece i could even begin to like.....
the materials.....the styling....the cut.....

yuck.....sorry

the marc by marc collection is much better.......
 
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^ Well, I have also sometimes wondered (*cough last spring cough*) about how much credit Marc gets before he even shows up.

But let's look at the subtlety of this collection ... the point in the WWD review (I believe it was) about there being more going on in this collection below the waist than in the entirety of most collections was right on. For example ...

Here volume is added to hosiery ... (and socks and boots)

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Not sure how this was done ... but the wooly, cashmere-y socks and tights in this show look so nice and warm ... Karen's green cashmere socks looked particularly luscious ...

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Poof!

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More "blown up" hosiery

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Hmmm ... what is this??? I suppose a knee sock with volume??

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Looks like satin PJs underneath (have to say this coat was particularly poorly executed--check the video for how it moves if you doubt me)

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:lol:..
subtlety?!?!...are you JOKING...:p

that is anything BUT subtle imo...
and that is just STYLING...
that is not DESIGN...

that is why his critics say he is a stylist and not a designer...
;)...
 
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Here's another view of the "volume" knee socks, even more interesting ...

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Karen's yummy sox

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And I've really not mentioned anything not worn on the legs ...

Thermals and socks wrong side out ;)

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Designs such as the tie front skirt has been attempted by more than a few of us over the years. They are experiments that are simply in the air. Fashion is not some science that comes with automatic copyrights. Everything is evolution and some arrive at the same result on their own time.
Kudos to Marc for venturing into new territory.
 
Zazie said:
I really didn't want to post on a MJ thread, I honestly think he is a very, very lucky and successful stylist and "adapter" of other people's design ideas, not a designer or creator. You can be assured when you see a "fresh", interesting idea/concept in MJ, it originates from someone else, as "inspiration". Even then, some of his looks are so "off" (the garish tiger furs), one wonders whether the better looks are put together by someone else which would explain the schizophrenic mix - cool, hip one minute and then totally hideous next.

I have an explanation for the witty tie-front skirt...from Ann-Sophie (2-seasons) Back!:rolleyes:

sorry...
but you ned to go more than 2 seasons back...
marc jacobs basically invented that with his grunge collection...
MARC is the one who started the whole 'tying sleeves around the waist thing'...
and i remember donna doing it a LOT as well...
;)

if anyone was copying- it would be anne sophie back...:flower:
who is much newer to the fashion scene...
 
softgrey said:
:lol:..
subtlety?!?!...are you JOKING...:p

that is anything BUT subtle imo...
and that is just STYLING...
that is not DESIGN...

that is why his critics say he is a stylist and not a designer...
;)...

I think everyone has acknowledged that this show was heavily styled, so heavily styled that it's difficult to see the clothes. I said that, Suzy said that, and I'm sure many others have too.

There are building blocks that went into the styling, and I think both are interesting and discussion-worthy. So far I've pretty much been hearing, "The girls looked like they were homeless, end of story." I don't think it IS the end of the story.
 
adorefaith said:
i think this collection is horrid......
just awful.....there isnt a single piece i could even begin to like.....
the materials.....the styling....the cut.....

yuck.....sorry

the marc by marc collection is much better.......

I so agree. At least the Marc by Marc is not stealing so much from the 90's and I agree with some of the other people that said it was ugly too. I really don't understand why people like this collection.

:angry: :blink: :unsure: :huh:
 
The emperor isn't wearing any clothes!

I'm glad to hear from those of you who feel like I do: that this show was a joke. Loved the DERELICT reference...right on the money. I can't help but feel that journalists are conditioned by their influencial superiors to love everything Marc Jacobs designs. I normally love his collections, and there are a hefty handful of looks I like from this show as well, but overall I feel the execution of this collection is laughable. (At least my boyfriend and I were having a good chuckle.)

The colors: bland.
The fabrics: chunky and shapeless
The hose: in some cases the same (seemingly) black, lace/net hose were tight on some models and loose on others leaving the impression of being ill fitting rather than cool (I'll source and post photos to illustrate this point)

I would be happy if someone would like to start a who new thread about the styling of this show. I know that the other stylists and I will have a lot to debate.

I'd like to see this show as groundbreaking but I can't help but feel that if this was a new designer, without the established credibility of hundreds of mentions and winks from Anna and her gang, that the rest of you might agree that this is, in a word: hideous.
 
Here are the photos to illustrate the point I was making about the tights just looking baggy and ill-fitting compared with their simillar, normal cousins.

photos: style.com
 

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