The Business of Magazines

LOL @ Enninful still insisting on being an outsider. I just can’t with this guy: You’ve held a high-profile position at i-D since you were 18yo back in the 1980s. I don’t know how much more of a highly-privileged insider that is.

You have Meisel by your side and you call Pavarotti?! Edward, what's good? (With Nicki Minaj voice and face).

There’s no clout associating with a Jewish man. As tiger posited out— he knows exactly what’s he’s doing. He may not be very talented, but he knows how to use and fully exploit the socio-political climate of the time to amass the commoners to his side— buy his Vogue, buy his book, aid him in ascending the Vogue throne. He’s riding on the wave for a generation that is so desperate for their Civil Right Movement that it’s produced the joke that is Jussie Smollet. These are the people that he is suckering into his fairytale.

Watch your back Anna, cuz he’s watching your throne.
 
LOL @ Enninful still insisting on being an outsider. I just can’t with this guy: You’ve held a high-profile position at i-D since you were 18yo back in the 1980s. I don’t know how much more of a highly-privileged insider that is.

There’s no clout associating with a Jewish man. As tiger posited out— he knows exactly what’s he’s doing. He may not be very talented, but he knows how to use and fully exploit the socio-political climate of the time to amass the commoners to his side— buy his Vogue, buy his book, aid him in ascending the Vogue throne. He’s riding on the wave for a generation that is so desperate for their Civil Right Movement that it’s produced the joke that is Jussie Smollet. These are the people that he is suckering into his fairytale.

Watch your back Anna, cuz he’s watching your throne.

AMEN on every word !!!
 
I think it could be time to launch an African Vogue. I know that can be quite unfortunate because the extreme poverty there, and Vogue is a magazine promoting luxury market around the world. But again, there's a GQ South Africa but not a Vogue, seems crazy and sexist. Sometimes seems Edward is doing Vogue Africa in The UK. But diversity is needed, of course. I still don't know if the current British Vogue represents fair enough their own population, the people living in England and Scotland, their culture. I read some comments here that Edward's Vogue is too American for the U.K. I don't live there, but I read your writing here and that gave me some arguments. To be fair with EE, his Vogue has a vision, the same direction as his first year. Even he did a better magazine than Anna, his Vogue is far from terrible.
 
LOL @ Enninful still insisting on being an outsider. I just can’t with this guy: You’ve held a high-profile position at i-D since you were 18yo back in the 1980s. I don’t know how much more of a highly-privileged insider that is.



There’s no clout associating with a Jewish man. As tiger posited out— he knows exactly what’s he’s doing. He may not be very talented, but he knows how to use and fully exploit the socio-political climate of the time to amass the commoners to his side— buy his Vogue, buy his book, aid him in ascending the Vogue throne. He’s riding on the wave for a generation that is so desperate for their Civil Right Movement that it’s produced the joke that is Jussie Smollet. These are the people that he is suckering into his fairytale.

Watch your back Anna, cuz he’s watching your throne.
I wish I could buy his Vogue in Argentina, and more the Meisel issues. But international magazines here are beyond impossible to buy. The inflation in Argentina is out of this world. You need to be rich here to collecting British or any international Vogue. The only way is looking the digital version in your posts here. It's so sad. Sometimes I think that Vogue and GQ Latam will stop publishing here due the economic crisis.
 
I think it could be time to launch an African Vogue. I know that can be quite unfortunate because the extreme poverty there, and Vogue is a magazine promoting luxury market around the world. But again, there's a GQ South Africa but not a Vogue, seems crazy and sexist. Sometimes seems Edward is doing Vogue Africa in The UK. But diversity is needed, of course. I still don't know if the current British Vogue represents fair enough their own population, the people living in England and Scotland, their culture.
Big agree.

Like I had said in a Vogue UK thread a while back, the United Kingdom is almost 90% white, and only about 3% black. Who is his Vogue speaking to, considering how Afro-centric his magazine is. I'm not blind - of course he's featured many different people in his magazine, but even he, himself, has made it an explicitly clear point that he wants to celebrate black beauty. That's his big crusade. And that's fine. But as you've stated, @ivano , that might that be better suited to an African edition of Vogue.

Because ultimately, what's the point, then, of having national editions of Vogue if they don't reflect the country, and the people, of their origin?
 
^^^ You know, if someone like Edward would just be truthful and admit that he wants his Vogues (… and Italia and France— not just UK, are his Vogues) to be Black-dominated, then that’s all good. He is the editor-at-large for these Vogues, so it’s his call, and it's on him whether they fail or succeed. But his always sly, and intellectually-dishonest, virtue-signalling that Black “representation” is needed for inclusivity/diversity (all the while minimizing other POC to a token) is such a hilarious untruth that he knows the majority of people are afraid to call him out on his bias for fear of being labeled anti-Black He absolutely knows how to play the masses, I’ll give him that.

That the Black population in the UK is just under 4%, yet Edward’s Vogue has Black representation at an equity ratio. So much for “fair” representation of the UK… And let’s not even get into the race-swapping of White characters for Black “representation", both fictional and historical in so many UK film/series productions. Not racist at all. And there are people that still think the gradual but blatant eradication of Anglo-Saxon representation is just xenophobia: White guilt must be all-blinding and consuming LOL

I think it could be time to launch an African Vogue. I know that can be quite unfortunate because the extreme poverty there, and Vogue is a magazine promoting luxury market around the world. But again, there's a GQ South Africa but not a Vogue, seems crazy and sexist. Sometimes seems Edward is doing Vogue Africa in The UK. But diversity is needed, of course. I still don't know if the current British Vogue represents fair enough their own population, the people living in England and Scotland, their culture. I read some comments here that Edward's Vogue is too American for the U.K. I don't live there, but I read your writing here and that gave me some arguments. To be fair with EE, his Vogue has a vision, the same direction as his first year. Even he did a better magazine than Anna, his Vogue is far from terrible.

A mid-range department store’s weekly flyer has vision as well… Edward’s Vogue just looks cheap. The occasional solid fashion story doesn’t cut it.

Accusing SA of sexism for not having a Vogue seems a tad unfair LOL They have Glamour/Cosmopolitan. It could be as simple as that the publishers researched their demographic, and their potential readership prefer those tittles to Vogue. And with their Glamour sharing quite a bit of Vogue’s covers/content, it may as well be seen as Vogue already exists in (South) Africa. (But who cares about Vogue, Africa doesn’t need the brand— just like the ME never cared for, nor needed Vogue: They have their own publications that speak to their exclusive culture and distinct identity.)

(BTW, from 2019 onward, all the coverstars for SA GQ/Glamour/Cosmopolitan are Black cuz— you know, the Black population of SA is 80%.)
 
^^^ You know, if someone like Edward would just be truthful and admit that he wants his Vogues (… and Italia and France— not just UK, are his Vogues) to be Black-dominated, then that’s all good. He is the editor-at-large for these Vogues, so it’s his call, and it's on him whether they fail or succeed. But his always sly, and intellectually-dishonest, virtue-signalling that Black “representation” is needed for inclusivity/diversity (all the while minimizing other POC to a token) is such a hilarious untruth that he knows the majority of people are afraid to call him out on his bias for fear of being labeled anti-Black He absolutely knows how to play the masses, I’ll give him that.

That the Black population in the UK is just under 4%, yet Edward’s Vogue has Black representation at an equity ratio. So much for “fair” representation of the UK… And let’s not even get into the race-swapping of White characters for Black “representation", both fictional and historical in so many UK film/series productions. Not racist at all. And there are people that still think the gradual but blatant eradication of Anglo-Saxon representation is just xenophobia: White guilt must be all-blinding and consuming LOL



A mid-range department store’s weekly flyer has vision as well… Edward’s Vogue just looks cheap. The occasional solid fashion story doesn’t cut it.

Accusing SA of sexism for not having a Vogue seems a tad unfair LOL They have Glamour/Cosmopolitan. It could be as simple as that the publishers researched their demographic, and their potential readership prefer those tittles to Vogue. And with their Glamour sharing quite a bit of Vogue’s covers/content, it may as well be seen as Vogue already exists in (South) Africa. (But who cares about Vogue, Africa doesn’t need the brand— just like the ME never cared for, nor needed Vogue: They have their own publications that speak to their exclusive culture and distinct identity.)

(BTW, from 2019 onward, all the coverstars for SA GQ/Glamour/Cosmopolitan are Black cuz— you know, the Black population of SA is 80%.)
I forgot there's Glamour South Africa!!! Quite weird though, because Vogue is a bigger brand than Glamour. Do you know if there's an ELLE edition too? I will google it.
 
If Edward wants to be full diverse, he should bring asians and latinos as well. That's 100% diverse if you show everybody at the same level of representation of black and white people. He put Gemma Chan for his last September issue. That was a great choice (and about time). And she's British, so it was so right.
 
That the Black population in the UK is just under 4%, yet Edward’s Vogue has Black representation at an equity ratio. So much for “fair” representation of the UK… And let’s not even get into the race-swapping of White characters for Black “representation", both fictional and historical in so many UK film/series productions. Not racist at all. And there are people that still think the gradual but blatant eradication of Anglo-Saxon representation is just xenophobia: White guilt must be all-blinding and consuming LOL
That Anne Boleyn fiasco is so cringe. One of many, many examples these days.

With this new trend, I'm looking forward to the Rosa Parks biopic starring Meryl Streep!
 
Because ultimately, what's the point, then, of having national editions of Vogue if they don't reflect the country, and the people, of their origin?

In my opinion, I don't even think we're going to have national editions of Vogue (the way we once knew them, that aren't licensed out) in 5 or 10 years, by the way things are going. Maybe I'm even being generous with that prediction.
 
That Anne Boleyn fiasco is so cringe. One of many, many examples these days.

With this new trend, I'm looking forward to the Rosa Parks biopic starring Meryl Streep!

There’s such a defensive front, and usually from White proponents when there’s any criticisms/observations that Anglo-Saxon identity being co-opted and globalized. I despise the co-opting of any culture and its history.

I find it typical of a certain (so-called) progressive-mentality in the media that’s blatantly and intellectually-dishonest in its strategy to dismantling Anglo-centric culture and history, I guess in the name of anti-patriarchy (as if only Anglo-culture has a mean patriarchy LOL...) Besides BBC’s casting of a Black actress as Ann Boleyn in their mini-series, there's Achilles as a Black man in their Troy: Fall of a City; Netflix’s Viking: Valhalla miniseries of Norse hero Jarl Estrid Haakon is now a Black woman; Netflix’s revision of King Arthur where Arthur is now a Black man; Tolkien’s Middle-earth elves and dwarfs based in Norse mythology are now inclusive of Black elves/Black dwarves with Amazon’s series (when it’s in Tolkien’s words and in his use of names of his characters that are ME/Persian influences yet these showrunners conveniently ignore ME/Persian representation, and instead insist on Black representation) etc. I’m sure someone is going to chime in and dismiss this a “Who cares. It’s just silly fairy tales”… Then who cares if the works of Maya Angelou casts White representation for its visuals? Or cast White protagonists for African fables/folklore? Of which BTW, if these SJW-types are so pro-Black, why not develop and produce stories from African mythology/fables/history rather than hijacking, forcing Black representation into these very Anglo Saxon monoliths, and sometimes, Anglo-Saxon history??? So weird it’s usually-- if not, strictly solely white saviours leading the demolition of their own culture and history LOL

If Edward wants to be full diverse, he should bring asians and latinos as well. That's 100% diverse if you show everybody at the same level of representation of black and white people. He put Gemma Chan for his last September issue. That was a great choice (and about time). And she's British, so it was so right.

Seeing Gemma on the September issue was nice… However, my suspicion tells me it was more of a demand from CN than Edward’s choice. Hollywood has a lot of pull, and Gemma was there to promote her film “The Eternals”. Everyone has someone to answer to-- even Edward these days.

ELLE SA folded in 2019. The impression is that SA in general preferred the much more consumer publications like Glamour/Cosmopolitan than Elle, even Vogue. There’s absolutely a potential for a niche high-end publication for Africa in general (there is an enclave of wealthy denizens in Africa, BTW). But it would take a dedicated team of investors/creatives to be given the time to grow such a publication. And CN is not that investor.
 
That photoshop disaster still baffles me.
 


I don't know if this has already been posted but here Edward talks about how he directs and works with the different European Vogue teams under his watch and I found the interview very interesting so I thought about sharing it with you guys.
 
^^^ You know, if someone like Edward would just be truthful and admit that he wants his Vogues (… and Italia and France— not just UK, are his Vogues) to be Black-dominated, then that’s all good. He is the editor-at-large for these Vogues, so it’s his call, and it's on him whether they fail or succeed. But his always sly, and intellectually-dishonest, virtue-signalling that Black “representation” is needed for inclusivity/diversity (all the while minimizing other POC to a token) is such a hilarious untruth that he knows the majority of people are afraid to call him out on his bias for fear of being labeled anti-Black He absolutely knows how to play the masses, I’ll give him that.

That the Black population in the UK is just under 4%, yet Edward’s Vogue has Black representation at an equity ratio. So much for “fair” representation of the UK… And let’s not even get into the race-swapping of White characters for Black “representation", both fictional and historical in so many UK film/series productions. Not racist at all. And there are people that still think the gradual but blatant eradication of Anglo-Saxon representation is just xenophobia: White guilt must be all-blinding and consuming LOL



A mid-range department store’s weekly flyer has vision as well… Edward’s Vogue just looks cheap. The occasional solid fashion story doesn’t cut it.

Accusing SA of sexism for not having a Vogue seems a tad unfair LOL They have Glamour/Cosmopolitan. It could be as simple as that the publishers researched their demographic, and their potential readership prefer those tittles to Vogue. And with their Glamour sharing quite a bit of Vogue’s covers/content, it may as well be seen as Vogue already exists in (South) Africa. (But who cares about Vogue, Africa doesn’t need the brand— just like the ME never cared for, nor needed Vogue: They have their own publications that speak to their exclusive culture and distinct identity.)

(BTW, from 2019 onward, all the coverstars for SA GQ/Glamour/Cosmopolitan are Black cuz— you know, the Black population of SA is 80%.)
99% of your posts is always unhinged racial grievance. Get over yourself. Fashion is a business.
 
^^^ LOL Don’t you just love it??? “It’s all business” and all their racial grievances are as disingenuous and intellectually-dishonest as any marketing strategy to optimize profile and profit (and oftentimes, racial-grievances are deployed to compensate for their lack of talent/skills). But don’t you dare push back— just bray along with the rest of the sheep. Hilariously hypocritical. Love it.
 

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