Carine Roitfeld leaves Vogue Paris *Update* Emmanuelle Alt named new Editor-in-Chief

[Les_Sucettes]

exactly, I'm talking about that balance that is missing in the issues of vogue paris. It is actually more fun to see an "interesting" celeb at the cover from time to time than an "empty" model "without history", just chosen for her physical features. and seeing kate moss again on the cover of vp makes everyone throw up a little...

I cannot image nothing worse for VP than having celebs on the cover. Simply awful. I prefer someone blank that I can project whatever I want, than seeing celebs in their endless advertising quest. I bought VP exactly because it was a little haven without celebs but it was still a "popular" mag, not totally disconnected from reality like Vogue Italia or most pretentious fashion mags that feature models only on the cover.
That for me was Carine's winning formula, and I will be sorry when she leaves because i doubt anyone will be able to keep that same perfect balance. I simply loved the mixture of high and low brow.

 

[LolaSvelt]

How did I only just find out about this?!

 

[Dkammern]

How did I only just find out about this?!

you don't tweet, do you?
it's been madness in the 'twitterverse' with people either crying of anger, or happy, or depressed, or spreading around rumors as #vogueleaks (no wait! the latter was just me i think )

 

[loladonna]

I cannot image nothing worse for VP than having celebs on the cover. Simply awful.​

Really? A celebrity on the cover is worse than poor content or bad editorials?

I am endlessly amused at all the fuss over whether the pretty woman on the cover of the magazine answers to the title of model or actress. Maybe magazines should come without covers then people would be forced to measure the quality based on actual content.

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[MulletProof]

why is everyone talking like VP never had any celebrities on its covers?.. hmm, this is the same magazine that had Paris Hilton on the cover. Seriously get real, it's not some elitist little corner with strong principles and ideas on fashion, it's like every other Vogue, if I had to compare it, it's actually on the exact same league as US Vogue... where US Vogue errs on puritanism and overpushes mediocre designers, the same models and same concepts.. there's Vogue Paris doing the same, except waving out the flag that just because their models are not wearing Thankoon and instead, are actually naked on the same frequency 'Grace Kelly inspiration' is featured in US Vogue, they're suddenly the antithesis to what US Vogue is. And truth is, they're not, they're both awfully constipated, short-sighted, one-track-minded publications. And they both wh*re out the same awful designers (from post-2006 Marant to mediocre J.Mendel) and only occasionally feature actual creators like Ann or Yohji.. and they both do it in the exact same gimmicky, you-could-never-wear-something-like-this manner.
If anything, at least I've noticed US Vogue makes features on people like Limi or Chitose Abe from time to time.. designers that are highly independent to the point they won't even advertise and are lightyears away from handing their line to the EIC of a magazine so she can 'style' it and channel it through her magazine's aesthetic (the way Marant did with VP)..

The way I see it, Vogue Paris just tends to be more accepted thanks to the slightly stereotypical French conception of fashion.. whereas US Vogue conveys what's annoying about the American understanding of fashion.. obviously that's bound to have some fans and enemies. But if you're a fan of none and can see past these two cultural barriers, you will see they're both just as restrained by self-imposed concepts... and they are both extremely unimpressive.

 

[style_expert]

^ well said

I'm very much looking forward to the first issue under a new EIC...

 

[LUXXX]

I remember Franca Sozzani mentioned in interview with Aliona Doletskaya that Vogue Italia is one of the best-selling Vogue's and especially in New-York it's best selling foreign magazine (not only among fashion titles)

This makes perfect sense -- I remember when they did that issue celebrating black women, it sold out in America.

 

[KKnardi]

^well of course, everything with a black person on the cover sells out in america.

 

[agee]

I don't recall my source, so take my comment with a grain of salt, but I thought that VI is not one of Conde Nast's top sellers, which makes sense because Italy is not a big country and Italian is not a wide-spread language. However, that does not contradict other's comments that it is one of the best selling foreign language magazines in certain places because if someone is going to buy something written in a foreign language, a magazine that is mostly pictures makes sense.

 

[markese91]

I'm confused... hasn't it ben a week since this has come out... why is this coversation persisting if nothing new has come out?

By the way @kknardi you're wrong. If anything with a black person would sell out in America, trust and believe that there would be a black on every American Vogue cover. Anna knows what sells and it's not black girls on the covers.

 

[Dkammern]

I don't recall my source, so take my comment with a grain of salt, but I thought that VI is not one of Conde Nast's top sellers, which makes sense because Italy is not a big country and Italian is not a wide-spread language. However, that does not contradict other's comments that it is one of the best selling foreign language magazines in certain places because if someone is going to buy something written in a foreign language, a magazine that is mostly pictures makes sense.

i think the bolded part is what Franca meant actually. As you say it does make sense. you just have to look at VI covers... the headlines is sure not what people buy the magazine for

I'm confused... hasn't it ben a week since this has come out... why is this coversation persisting if nothing new has come out?

1) this is tFS! conversations can go on for ages without anything new happening... I mean, classic Hermès bags get pages and pages of comments, and it's most of the time nothing that hasn't been said before, hmm?

By the way @kknardi you're wrong. If anything with a black person would sell out in America, trust and believe that there would be a black on every American Vogue cover. Anna knows what sells and it's not black girls on the covers.

2) sad but true... or kind of. Anna must know pretty well that a black girl on every cover wouldnt be the best for sales. But if it's vogue paris doing it (or vogue USA sadly doing it once every seventeen years) those do sell well as something exceptional. It's the balance that makes the equation work, and the sales rocket.
(btw, even if my comment sounds like a harsh critique for Anna, one must credit her for putting a black model on her first ever september issue. that was anything but conservative back in the 80s, no? I only wish she could've kept up with the 'balance' in a different way)

 

[blueorchid]

I don't recall my source, so take my comment with a grain of salt, but I thought that VI is not one of Conde Nast's top sellers, which makes sense because Italy is not a big country and Italian is not a wide-spread language.

I was always under that impression as well. Hmmm I did a Google search for the circulation rates for Vogue Italia out of curiosity and, as usual, I ended up back here (although I'm not sure what their sources are ).

 

[Style Souk]

I was saddened - if not surprised - by the news of Carine's resignation. There have been many interviews over the years in which she has spoken of her freelance spirit and not wanting to remain with the magazine for more than a decade.

Whilst exciting gossip of a mise à pied prevails, however, it's far less newsworthy to think that Roitfeld simply bowed out - as she said she would - in her tenth year of service.

Despite not being able to read more than a cluster of words, I have bought Paris Vogue for the best part of seven years. Roitfeld's aesthetic is the most bold, visceral of any editor and the magazine has - under her direction - fearlessly imploded taboos and explored the boundaries of morality and fashion.

It will be interesting to see what she does next and if - as the rumour mill suggests - Paris Vogue's loss will prove to be Tom Ford's gain...

 

[markese91]

@dkammern I think I only get really annoyed when people just repeat what others have said and make it crystal clear they haven't read the rest of the thread :/ makes me regret chiming in early.

 

[Squizree]

^ Actually, I think it's better because you get people's initial raw reactions before they read others' opinions.
It's interesting really, some people are so glad Carine's left, yet others are practically holding a funeral for Vogue Paris.

 

[JuiceMajor]

so any news on who will replace her?

 

[Squizree]

^ Just rumours. I'm actually more interested in what Carine will be doing in the future. She may not be the best Editor in Chief, but she's one hell of a stylist, so it would be interesting to see her carry out that role more fully I think.

 

[Dkammern]

^^ and some "public" role i hope that is.
public as in something that isnt completely behind (corporate) closed doors. i want her work, whether it's bad or good, to be visible

 

[Dkammern]

btw, am I the only one who is excited about menswear and couture week just to see all the rumors flying around?!?! #vogueleaks! hehe
speculation on why she left, people following Newhouse to see who he is meeting with to replace Carine...

if she is editing the march issue, she will still have to shoot couture et al, no? we havent seen her swan song yet!!

 

[Squizree]

^ Nope, you're not I wanna see who will be in "Carine's seat" front row at menswear fashion week and Haute Couture. The rumours are gonna be vicious!