Continues Family of Brands-Carpe Diem, Linea, etc...

so surver I wouldn't say cdiem has simply become avantindietro because it's all new.
cdiem is past (to maurizio at this moment, you know how he is).
this new one includes the future as part of the concept.
it may has some echo of cdiem and all the previous lines to some extent,
but looks like it has totally evolved from them.
but it is still something inconclusive since it is supposed to be "the future".

as for all those names, drawing a coclusion first, no one knows which is the real brand name so far. probably even he doesn't know. stores are not sure at all because he still seems to sometimes call it intervallo, sometimes avantindietro, and sometimes avantiero or something.
anyway it's just that most people think of it as avantindietro vaguely at present.
it's funny.
I'll write how it's like later.
I guess brand name doesn't matter so much here.
actuall from fattoamano they started to use no label saying the name anywhere, which was early in 2005.
btw, the first time he said the word avantindietro was also 2005, right after the presentation of fattoamano.
but as you know, he had the dark days afterwards. 06 was a year with stories.
although they had been chaotic, it looked extremely chaotic in 06. and avantindietro was to drag on into this time.



last fall he suddenly canceled the showing for cdiem, and instead presented a new collection without any samples called intervallo. most of the stores who had carried cdiem were too scared to order it, or it was too ridiculous to be ordered.
but a few actually bought it, and when it arrived in the spring, it was labeled cdiem.
so the last cdiem (as of now) was what was ordered as intervallo.
sort of clean and smoothened stuff in comparison with cdiem.
in the spring of this year, he held a little presentation for it, reserving a suite at the hotel in paris, because he sold off the garage and failed to find any better space.
he tried to prepare samples this time, but most of them were not finished in time.
therefore those unfinished pieces in # 409, 410. at this point there was a word avantindietro as well as intervallo written on an official form.
then maybe he just wanted to show the finished or nearly perfect ones to the buyers so much that he tried to visit paris during S/S 08 mens fashion week and catch them in.
but as per usual he was a bit late and missed some of them.
plus he tried to find some ideal place only to fail again, and managed to show it in a waterside open space.
he might be the first designer who was there for showing the pieces to be delivered coming fall during spring mens fashion week (strictly speaking there is no season about this collection, but practically there is a contract with some stores to deliver it within a certain period. if it's not carried out, he has to pay a penalty).
there seems to have been a lot of toing and froing that way before making it, and he was running late. he had to contact them by cellphone on the spot and do it at such a place not because he was pretentious but because he is impulsive enough to go there with the place to show it not fixed, I think.
this is when stores started to think it looks like it will be avantindietro.
and this fall he came over to paris again carrying those pieces (along with some new ones) for the final showing of them which are supposed to be delivered within the year.
it's like that.


the shortage of staff members has been telling on him. not only those creative staffs but also competent ones on management side left the company. one of them is a manager at leclaireur now, etc.
but in regard to the difficulty with the production, his insatiable nature might be one of the factors which are leading to it. maybe he is just letting his cogitation grow freely even while something is already going into production. and at some stage often lets it have priority and makes a fresh start.
actually some people has tried to exploit him. but they wound up getting their fingers burnt because he is impulsive and once he has an inspiration he casts himself on it, instead of on business commitment. hope he doesn't have any lawsuits.
also to stores he might be a bit too honest with creative activity to deal with.
sometimes he doesn't deliver what stores ordered. it's okay because what they saw a half year back were no more than samples. they know there can be changes. but he changes it too drastically, to such an extent that it looks like something different. then they cancel and return it to him. I think he can imagine what that can cause to him. but he does it somehow.
also stores know what sells. but he doesn't listen to them, although, frankly, of his pieces what sell constantly at retail are very limited.
it's not too much to say that some of the offshoot labels were made, according with the demands of them. they needed something like cdiem that listen to them that are more stable. of course it's not a bad thing at all. stores' voice can really be customers' voice sometimes. it's great in its own way.
but here I just want to see such universal worth as comes only from utter personal point of view, even if it happens only occasionally, through countless errors,
since I know it is truly exciting.
 
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this can easily be updated soon, but anyway as of now:
"avantindietro" or whatever comes in nine sizes like linea.
small S,M,L (1,2,3)
middle S,M,L (4,5,6)
large S,M,L (7,8,9)
it doesn't have any name written anywhere. but unlike fattoamano, it has a strip of fabric as a trademark on the hem.
it seems that in his mind it is divided into three lines or kinds of slash, star, avanti.
one is in line with cdiem/lmaltieri, material etc wise
another is linea/sartoria-ish but with high-tech material
the other is for the futuristic
there are three lasts of A, B, C.
and so on
overall it looks clean or simple at first glance, but it is really made in an abnormal way.
I don't know right english technical terms needed for describing all the details and technics applied there, but I'll try a bit.
for example the new leather shirt looks simple, but it looks as if the body and arms and collar were sort of welded together. or all the commissures are like those of machinery. and there are lockings (?) instead of seams here and there like bolts on metal juncture.
in comparison with the cdiem shirt, the leather is a bit thinner. the lining goes down to the point 2.3 cm above the hem. narrower-shouldered, less shaped waist. the back is made of one piece.
btw, some of the pieces have some inconclusive factors left, like linea's neckline (see the white top below), triangular hood, etc that were meant to be cut as you like.
but this time such factors are left much bigger way.





edit: I cannot seem to post attachments now.
will post them when I can.
 
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Thanks for the info runner, much appreciated. Karlo from Atelier told me that he was so difficult to deal with they didn't know when they would carry his designs again, and they're definitely fans that are willing to acquire (and sell) the harder pieces so I'd say its great that he's got a simple-minded desire to materialize the designs he envisions but I'd really wish someone more business-minded would help him bridge the gap between his work and his customers.
 
i read all of this with great fascination...
and i still don't really understand what is going on with the brand or the designer...:lol:...

i feel like there are three names now...
macross- with the metal staple logo- seems like basics and leather goods
S L - womenswear?
avantindietro -the main name going forward?...for the more 'special' pieces

this is all i can seem to gather from looking at the fw 07 pieces runner posted here...
:unsure:...

in any case...
i love ALL the leather...:P
and i really like the blouse that ties at the neck and the women's knit turtleneck is perfect...
it seems to be cut on the bias and i have tried on something like that before...
it is one of the most flattering things any woman can wear...

:D

the women's seems to have gotten a bit better imo...
but the men's is still much more special...

thanks so much for explaining all that runner...
i know what you mean that you like it if maurizio follows his inspiration because the result will more than likely be as close to art as any designer can get...

but i worry about the future of the brand(s) if they(he) cannot do business in a conventional and profitable way...:ermm:
:ninja:...
 
thanks alot runner for the very indepth analysis/comments. still confused but whatever; looking forward to actually seeing how maurizio finally pans out... usually, geniuses aren't so easy to deal with... but it looks more like why he seems so not with it is because he lost his core team...
on the other hand, m. amadei seems to be doing quite well in both publicity and getting his stuff selling all over! he seems to be quite the marketing guy... since he's only been on his own for such a short period...
 
Softgrey I think Macross is MA+ and Maurizio Amadei's brand not Altieri's. They have a few cool pieces at Atelier, the coats and structured "aviator" hoodies are impressive.
 
thanks fuuma..

i was confused but i get it now!...:flower:
 
hi everyone,

does anyone have experience with m.a+ items? i am thinking of buying one of his leather shirts (from ss07) but am not sure what the quality/fit/worth is... can anyone please help me out? how does it compare to the cdiem shirts? or by any chance anyone have a relatively new black cdiem leather shirt they're willing to part with? in size 3? thanks in advance.
 

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The fit/look and materials are quite different:

1) MA+ leather shirts are made of soft, thin and pliable leather
2) They fit closer to the body in my experience
3) The cut is less like a traditional dress shirt, as you can see from the pictures
4) I'd advise trying it in person before buying as an experience with CDiem leather shirts is not enough.
 
thanks fuuma; helps alot. i suppose i shouldn't risk buying it online since it is not inexpensive...
 
thanks fuuma; helps alot. i suppose i shouldn't risk buying it online since it is not inexpensive...

Definitely try it on. It fits true to size but the armholes are high. Note that it also ends with a straight hem which might make it an even better light leather jacket substitute than a CDiem shirt. The leather is smooth and non-distressed, although I assume you can just tighten it in a ball and make it rumpled. I considered getting it but I already own a CDiem and definitely don't need two leather shirts.
 
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you're welcome Fuuma, softgrey, surver


i know what you mean that you like it if maurizio follows his inspiration because the result will more than likely be as close to art as any designer can get...

but i worry about the future of the brand(s) if they(he) cannot do business in a conventional and profitable way...:ermm:
:ninja:...
some stores started A/W 07 sales (for certain customers) in october, and the first batch of new arrivals for S/S 08 from some brands were in stores already in early december.
moving up things seems to be put spurs to more and more.
and there are prefall and resort to compensate for the defects in the system they made.
in a way, looks like mad scrambles to get as much money as possible before possible major critical point.
so his experiment may happen to fit the mood of those who want to be delivered from this bondage.
though it could also be crazy to end up showing in paris three times for the collection to be delivered at the end of the year, after complications such as making a fresh start, etc.
it seems to me that he doesn't expect so much peace and security of his brand's future,
and that he will have something more to do with the inconclusive possibilities which are difficult to face indulged in established conventions that were not made by his own volitions.
he reminds me of miles davis sometimes,
comes of a good family,
unprecedented, with his own modes of thought and an occasional inclination toward ruination,
a childlike seeker of something new.
I guess, while he had been doing an experiment to break down the status quo, it might have changed into a struggle against man's inertia, without noticing it. I don't know.
ideally it may be good if there is a form of aufheben on his way sometime
between caring about the market waiting with its mouth opened wide & groping in the dark for an answer to his own question about "the future".



the two images that should have belonged in post #422
plus one from fattoamano
and maurizio outdoors
courtesy issei, leclaireur
 

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you're welcome Fuuma, softgrey, surver



some stores started A/W 07 sales (for certain customers) in october, and the first batch of new arrivals for S/S 08 from some brands were in stores already in early december.
moving up things seems to be put spurs to more and more.
and there are prefall and resort to compensate for the defects in the system they made.
in a way, looks like mad scrambles to get as much money as possible before possible major critical point.
so his experiment may happen to fit the mood of those who want to be delivered from this bondage.
though it could also be crazy to end up showing in paris three times for the collection to be delivered at the end of the year, after complications such as making a fresh start, etc.
it seems to me that he doesn't expect so much peace and security of his brand's future,
and that he will have something more to do with the inconclusive possibilities which are difficult to face indulged in established conventions that were not made by his own volitions.
he reminds me of miles davis sometimes,
comes of a good family,
unprecedented, with his own modes of thought and an occasional inclination toward ruination,
a childlike seeker of something new.
I guess, while he had been doing an experiment to break down the status quo, it might have changed into a struggle against man's inertia, without noticing it. I don't know.
ideally it may be good if there is a form of aufheben on his way sometime
between caring about the market waiting with its mouth opened wide & groping in the dark for an answer to his own question about "the future".



the two images that should have belonged in post #422
plus one from fattoamano
and maurizio outdoors
courtesy issei, leclaireur

I understand what you are saying runner,
but this begs several questions that needs to be Asked.

1. Sometimes artists, designers are better when they have something to "fight Against", how will he be able to maintain his originality, if he fits himself in line with " the system as opposed to fighting against it?

2. He generally does Artisanal, Non Seasonal clothing, that gives him the opportunity to develop an idea to its fullest. how will he be able to maintain this, if he begins to work on a traditional fashion Schedule where he has to constantly meet deadlines that limits the time he can spend on product/ concept development?
 
zamb sorry I don't get your drift well as I was not saying he should fit himself in line with... and to work on the schedule.
but if I had to make some reply,
I'd say it's not enough yet to do antitheses only
because it can turn into just another indulgence eventually.
whether artist, designer or sorcerer, he might need to be related to some extent to what people normally do,
through independence of will.
 
some stores started A/W 07 sales (for certain customers) in october, and the first batch of new arrivals for S/S 08 from some brands were in stores already in early december.
moving up things seems to be put spurs to more and more.
and there are prefall and resort to compensate for the defects in the system they made.
in a way, looks like mad scrambles to get as much money as possible before possible major critical point.
so his experiment may happen to fit the mood of those who want to be delivered from this bondage.
though it could also be crazy to end up showing in paris three times for the collection to be delivered at the end of the year,


I am
reffering to these statements in particular,
as he many other "Niche" brands are not known for these kind of this such as "pre-fall" and "resort" among other things that are usually done by the "traditional" Brands
 
Some lovely photos from Jun Hashimoto's blog:
http://walker.zozo.jp/walker/junhashimoto/

He is the CEO of WJK and thus has a great working relationship with Altieri and the rest of the Continues team.

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The Avantindietro show in Perugia

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Altieri's atelier. You can see his original leather/steel chairs (three of them) in the photo of his worktable. They were from X18 when he was in Paris.

Finally (from another japanese webstore's blog:

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Upcoming MA+ (SS 08)!
 

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