Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[Phuel]

^^^ There really wouldn’t be some sudden renaissance of a jolt to his work that could/would rival his best years, had he continued to work. His last editorial and campaign efforts were just not up to the standards of what had me adore his vision of fashion in the first place. And I still adore the best of his work. Just like I still adore the best of Terry’s, Mario’s…

Without rehashing my stance on the legal aspect of his assault case— because I haven’t changed my mind at the slightest about it from day one, his best opportunities would be with indie but still well-connected and well-heeled publications. There’s absolutely not a chance any publisher/editor /brand would welcome him back in the current and extremely hostile twitter-mob era we’re in. And frankly, without the unapologetic homo-leaning that’s come to define the best of his signature (of which got him in the exact predicament he’s in right now), I can’t see him putting his heart/soul/blood/sweat into it. Because, his fashion photography of women—well... is it really relevant anymore when the likes of Emma Summerton and Annemarike van Drimmelen are doing it better than his???

 

[MulletProof]

^ I'm not betting on his best work being yet to come, but the dawn of his work!

Seriously, something about these 'still carrying this decrepit body, heart's tired, brain's fried, here's some junk, I have nothing left to prove...' existential works of old artists later in life, like Bob Dylan.. I seriously love it, they become less energetic but even at their smallest, least creative efforts, you can sense some suspense of the certainty of being near the end (which I love because I will take any forecast on the afterlife! ). I hope he's still making a lot of personal photography.. I'm probably more interested in that than some dumb instamodel in the Hamptons wearing a Balenciaga sweatshirt while hugging a dog..

 

[Phuel]

^^^ You know what-- I changed my mind. It’s absolutely possible he could actually have a second wind. Bruce is likely already packed and ready to leave American for good. He can settle somewhere in Eastern Europe and shoot the gorgeous men there to the end of his heart’s content (…and any attempted naughtiness on his part will likely be reciprocated. But still get it in writing, Bruce.)

 

[lucy92]

^^ That's whats utterly sad about it - Bruce's documentary film about Chet Baker was nominated for an Academy award. Clearly, he's capable (or was capable) of producing art of significant cultural value that aren't just advertisements or appeal to his own prurient interests.

And shouldn't CN or any other publisher or brand still be furious with him now? His actions may make it harder for them to reuse, license or publish back catalogue material.

 

[Phuel]

^^^ I remember being 14 or 15 and seeing “Let’s Get Lost”, and really being so astounded by this other side of Bruce. It was so beautiful, gentle and still sensual and complimented his work for fashion at the time that was gorgeous, uninhibited and sexy. But I’ve always got the impression that he’s someone that could and would only have the patience to produce “Let’s Get Lost” only if he were able to also indulge in all those Versace/Ralph Lauren/L’Uomo jobs. Without the wild, hot, red-blooded men of those castings to satisfy that side (… erm— urge) of his creativity, he wouldn’t be inspired to produce something so quietly elegant and effortless as the Chet Baker doc. The best of creative talents are so multi-dimensional.

(I doubt CN ever really cared that much to be furious with their investment in him. He isn’t quite the huge household name as someone like Annie Leibowitz still is-- or even Mario Testino. Bruce, even at the height of his fame, was still on the obscure side as far as the masses were concerned; I doubt all the frat boys that wore A&F even knew that it was his photography that made the brand so recognizable.)

 

[JPineapple]

Bruce Weber Has Settled Another Sexual-Assault Lawsuit

 

[lucy92]

(I doubt CN ever really cared that much to be furious with their investment in him. He isn’t quite the huge household name as someone like Annie Leibowitz still is-- or even Mario Testino. Bruce, even at the height of his fame, was still on the obscure side as far as the masses were concerned; I doubt all the frat boys that wore A&F even knew that it was his photography that made the brand so recognizable.)

But what about those coffee table books that Vogue publishes that might include Weber's work? And Ralph Lauren has re-run old vintage ads lensed by Weber as new in the past, hasn't he?

For many brands their old ads are more effective than what they can cook up now.

 

[Phuel]

^^^ Every single brand’s campaigns were far far far superior in every way just 5 years ago. (… And don’t even dare compare the ones today to campaigns of the 90s/2000s.) 99% of campaigns in 2021 all resemble some sloppy, amateur mockery of their former glorious selves conjured by/for the least bright of 12yos.

Would you genuinely feel that CN/Vogue cares in the slightest to never include Bruce again in any of their content? I suspect CN/Vogue/Ralph will just erase his contributions from their archives without batting a lash. He’s not profitable to them anymore and for them to even acknowledge his work is seen as just as guilty by association to cancel culture.

My very first imagery of fashion was all Bruce: Calvin Klein underwear campaigns; Versace campaigns; fashion videos from Polo; The Pet Shop Boys’ “Being Boring" music video etc etc. Bruce’s work means a lot to me and still influences how I view the fashionscape. But even so, I’m aware that these corporations are so very afraid of when the twitter lynch mob isn’t happy with their brand should they display the slightest loyalty to anyone that’s deemed toxic (hate hate hate that word…), that they’ll shoehorn in the mediocre likes of Taylor Mitchell/Campbell Addy/Nadine Ijewere and not even acknowledge Bruce’s superior contributions to pacify the witless mob.

 

[LostInNJ]

While I agree that Bruce and Mario contributed many iconic and memorable images to the fashion industry, talent does not excuse this kind of "alleged" misconduct. Just because the current crop of photographers may not live up to the talent either of these men has isn't really any reason to want them to work again. For me, they are tainted, and the fact that such horrible allegations were leveled against them (and in one of these cases; many, many accusations) is enough for me to allow there past bodies of work to live on and be admired, but I don't need to see anything else new, from either of them.

They made their beds. Now, they can lay in them.

 

[THD96]

Law Roach just called out Dior on his IG stories because they... Forgot to tag him on Anya's photo.

I swear some people need to learn about professionalism before they learn about fashion.

 

[MulletProof]

^ mostly baffled that 'law roach' is actually a name..


(eta* so there was a paid job behind that dress?! one of the worst numbers in the event? it's repugnant, he dressed her like a tourist in Venice who won a ticket to the festival from a radio station, he should be glad he's not getting any credit).

 

[Marc10]

Law Roach just called out Dior on his IG stories because they... Forgot to tag him on Anya's photo.

I swear some people need to learn about professionalism before they learn about fashion.

That guy is in such a deep ego trip lately lol. He's (mostly) good at his job, but now he wants to be a bigger celebrity than his clients.

 

[MulletProof]

sorry to double post but seriously, things will magically improve in fashion when they start valuing solid education. Some of the petulant and highly unprofessional behavior often goes hand in hand with this miserable proficiency in the language:

"it’s very undemocratically classist (exclusive insted of inclusive) so why it’s apply so well to liberals and left leaning ppl and not so much to the right (if not to the ones with highest income)." (Virgil Abloh).

And..

(via roach guy's stories)

Cool if it's your first year of speaking English on a regular basis as a second or third language (as an ESLer myself though, at some point you get extra paranoid and always triple check words you have difficulty with!), but if that's the only thing you speak..? how embarrassing. I can't even imagine reaching out to a client in a professional setting, wanting clarify some misunderstanding (without burning any bridges) and involving the word "a*s". It may sound exaggerated but a higher standard in culture and knowledge (nurtured via literature and just learning about other creative fields) would make a huge difference in fashion, it wouldn't be as redundant and irrelevant as it is right now.

 

[dior_couture1245]

Also “work THERE *** off to even HAVING the opportunity” LOL

What an absolute low IQ idiot! I don’t even know who he is but DAMN. That’s pitiful! Lol

 

[YohjiAddict]

He writes like trailer trash and behaves exactly that way...Good to know just what type of person he is!

 

[mepps]

Both Testino, and Weber are legendary fashion photographers.
They created images that have stood the test of time, and become iconic.
They should be working now, along with Patrick Demarchelier.
Fashion photography is worse off because of their absence.
Hiring young copycats with no soul of their own is hollow, and it shows in the daily avalanche of dull covers, editorials, and campaigns.
Bring back the Masters!

 

[LostInNJ]

Both Testino, and Weber are legendary fashion photographers.
They created images that have stood the test of time, and become iconic.
They should be working now, along with Patrick Demarchelier.
Fashion photography is worse off because of their absence.
Hiring young copycats with no soul of their own is hollow, and it shows in the daily avalanche of dull covers, editorials, and campaigns.
Bring back the Masters!

Yeah, sure. Let's just forget about all the sexual harassment stuff. Let's push for R. Kelly and Marilyn Manson to record new albums, too. While we are at it, we should get Harvey to produce a new movie.

 

[FashionMuseDior]

Yeah I don't think we should bring back people known for sexually harassing their models.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^^^ Some of us are tired of badly behaved Masters. It's a bit hard to believe that poorly behaved men can possibly be the only ones who know what they're doing.

 

[KoV]

Ever since I saw a clip of the way Law Roach spoke to Tiffany Haddish on that "Legendary" show, I've got such a negative view of him. His social media tantrums are certainly not helping to change my perception.