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From WWD.COM
The statement to which Streep refers was sent by Lagerfeld to representatives of Streep and WWD earlier today. “Chanel engaged in conversations with Ms. Streep’s stylist, on her request, to design a dress for her to wear to the Academy Awards,” it reads. “After an informal conversation, I misunderstood that Ms. Streep may have chosen another designer due to remuneration, which Ms. Streep’s team has confirmed is not the case. I regret this controversy and wish Ms. Streep well with her 20th Academy Award nomination.”

Streep is nominated in the best actress category for “Florence Foster Jenkins.”

WWD spoke to Lagerfeld backstage before his Fendi show on Thursday, and tried unsuccessfully to reach representatives of Streep for comment.

For me, the case is closed.
They missunderstood each other but i'm kinda shocked by Meryl's comment.

"Subsequently, the story was picked up globally, and continues, globally, to overwhelm my appearance at the Oscars, on the occasion of my record-breaking 20th nomination, and to eclipse this honor in the eyes of the media, my colleagues and the audience"

I mean, really Meryl? This is just a stupid beef around a dress that should never have been produced.
People will forget about this in 3 months but your Oscar moment will be forever.

Her comment makes me dislike her. It's ridiculous.
 
Clash of the Titans: Karl and Meryl
The versions of the "canceled dress" story told by Meryl Streep's publicist and by Karl Lagerfeld are both believable — and consistent.


By Bridget Foley on February 27, 2017

Milan is proving a season for the ages, without even considering the goods on the runways. How often do you have a story line pitting two honest-to-God living legends, both supreme artists of their genres, against each other? In the throes of the most intense seasons for both, no less? Real news with naked Kardashian-level clickbait promise? Call it the Clash of the Creative-Genius Titans.

It’s a story line in which WWD is involved. And compelling though it is, it’s one about which I feel regret for its negative impact on two people I respect and for whom I have a great deal of admiration, one from afar; the other from the vantage of a 20-year relationship based on trust and honesty. It bothers me that WWD and I are involved in casting a pall over a moment that should be one of pure joy for Meryl Streep. She attended last night’s Oscars in a class by herself, the most nominated actor of all time after her 20th nod, this one for “Florence Foster Jenkins.” And Karl Lagerfeld — the best quote in the business, ever unafraid to speak opinions that, in my experience, have always been grounded in fact.

This is what happened. Backstage at Fendi on Thursday, Lagerfeld told WWD editor in chief Miles Socha and I, “I have a funny story to tell you.” He then recounted events about Meryl Streep and a Chanel couture dress, as I reported later that day. I left unwritten that that conversation included expressions of shock and dismay on all sides; we all know that red carpet play-for-pay exists, but Meryl Streep?

As we left Lagerfeld’s private receiving room, he said, “Do what you want with that story.” He’d told us for a reason. He thought he and Chanel had been treated badly and wanted it on the record. Streep’s side shot back.

Unfortunately, Lagerfeld got one part of the story very wrong. I don’t know why, but after knowing and covering him for 20 years, I know absolutely and without doubt his intention was not to lie about Streep. For whatever reason, she and her stylist Micaela Erlanger decided against the Chanel gown, and neither is being paid by the house whose dress Streep wore. Reaction was swift and rabid as the story went viral; Streep was insulted at the attack on her integrity, particularly at this momentous time in her career.

In a conversation Saturday night, Streep’s publicist Leslee Dart offered that Streep feels both she and Erlanger have been defamed. (At the risk of sounding obsequious, all publicists should be so unflappable.) She e-mailed Streep’s statement from the Oscars rehearsal. “She has engaged a lawyer to investigate her options,” Dart said. “People know Meryl and they know her ethics.” As for whether Streep had ever accepted payment to wear a dress: “Never in 30 years,” Dart said.

One of my many imaginings in this bizarre saga is that someone in-house at Chanel verbalized an uninformed supposition — “Meryl Streep canceled? Somebody must be paying her” — and that Lagerfeld mistook the idle musing as fact. In a conversation today, he expressed regret that he repeated the thought as fact, although the gravity of the accusation seemed not to have fully registered.

Otherwise, the versions given by Lagerfeld and Dart are both completely believable and not inconsistent. They speak to the bizarre nature of the Hollywood-fashion relationship, the machinations of which Lagerfeld apparently has little knowledge beyond the very specific, and in certain ways cloistered, world of Chanel.

We’ve all heard stories of how awards-season’s dressing works. Stylists call in existing looks and commission others, which eager designers and fashion executives happily provide at no cost for the chance of having their red carpet moment. Pay for play? Yes, some houses are willing to pay and some celebrities, willing to receive.

Neither Streep nor Chanel is in those categories. The lady can’t be bought and the house won’t purchase. Chanel does have a list of actresses with whom it works, or perhaps targets is the right word. Streep has not been on that list, though Lagerfeld was delighted to learn of her interest in a dress for the Oscars. “It was a very nice surprise,” he said. “I have great admiration for her.”

Now, here’s where it gets interesting. Both sides agree that the contact was initiated by Erlanger, that Streep had seen a dress from the couture collection and was interested in it, with some modifications. The stylist request a sketch. Dart had dates. She recalled that the initial contact was made by Erlanger on or about Jan. 14. “On Feb. 8, we received sketches,” she said. “Within 24 hours, the stylist called Chanel to say Meryl had decided to go in a different direction.”

Sounds like a swift and honorable ending to what was essentially a typical market inquiry by Erlanger on the part of her client, who happens to bear the reputation of the world’s greatest living actress. No subterfuge, no free couture dress that wouldn’t find its way onto the Oscars red carpet.

Only Lagerfeld begged to differ. He didn’t dispute the 24-hour time frame. But he mistook Erlanger’s overture, one focused on a specific dress with a request for modification, as the commitment of an order.

And modifying looks on request isn’t something he usually does. Lagerfeld never gets involved with private clients, including celebrities other than friends, and certainly never provides them with custom illustrations. “I have better things to do,” he said. He made an exception for Streep and immediately put the dress into the atelier, as the bodice embroidery required 100 hours of work. “Twenty-four hours is enough. The minute I made the change in the décolletage, it was started,” he said.

Meanwhile, the house of Chanel has not confirmed that the dress was put into production. Its statement, released widely on Thursday, read more like damage control than clarification or correction: “Chanel engaged in conversations with Ms. Streep’s stylist to design a dress for her to wear to the Academy Awards, with the full understanding that she was considering options from other design houses. When informed by the stylist that Ms. Streep had chosen a dress by another designer there was no mention of the reason. Chanel wishes to express our continued and deep respect for Ms. Streep.”

The wording is vague in the manner of many damage-control p.r. statements. The only points stated as absolute are that Chanel knew it was one house among several under consideration and that when Streep and Erlanger decided to pass, “there was no mention of the reason” — i.e., payment. It does not say whether a dress — even one of several from which Streep would choose — was then put into production.

I sought clarification on that last point with Chanel. That the house wouldn’t answer suggested that yes, a dress had been started. Eager to make peace with Streep, Chanel wanted to move on but without lying to WWD.

Lagerfeld feels differently. After going AWOL for a day when Chanel released an official, also vague statement in his name, he called on Sunday night (Milan time) to explain his position. From his point of view, he had redesigned a dress and rushed it into the atelier. Even within the 24-hour period, substantial work was done on it.

He was told of the cancellation two days later, he said, “without any excuse.” Asked if he could accept the possibility that Erlanger offered no excuse because as far as she was concerned, there had been no order, so she couldn’t have known work on the dress had commenced, Lagerfeld said, no. “It’s not very elegant for the house of Chanel, and an insult to me. I have better things to do.”

Therein lies the divide. Karl Lagerfeld is the Meryl Streep of fashion, alone in his stratosphere, a deity. He doesn’t submit sketches for a stylist’s consideration. Rather, he assumes that if someone — anyone, no matter how big a star ‚ comes to Chanel and Lagerfeld, that he’s not auditioning for the gig but that she wants to wear Karl Lagerfeld’s Chanel.

Here’s hoping Streep and Lagerfeld forgive each other’s transgressions — Streep’s, for not acknowledging Lagerfeld’s stature in her dress selection, and Lagerfeld’s, albeit larger one, calling Streep’s character into question with his erroneous pay-for-play accusation.

As for me, I sincerely hope Streep won last night; the return’s not in at deadline time. (And that she didn’t wear Dolce.)

Source: http://wwd.com/fashion-news/shows-reviews/oscars-red-carpet-meryl-streep-karl-lagerfeld-controversy-10822402/
 
One of my many imaginings in this bizarre saga is that someone in-house at Chanel verbalized an uninformed supposition — “Meryl Streep canceled? Somebody must be paying her” — and that Lagerfeld mistook the idle musing as fact. In a conversation today, he expressed regret that he repeated the thought as fact, although the gravity of the accusation seemed not to have fully registered.

Literally the most dramatic sentence I have ever read about such a nothing situation haha, this made me laugh out loud. 'The gravity of the accusation?!'
 
Meryl should've gone for the Chanel gown... My gawd, she's always so bad dressed. That blue thing was as cheap as it gets. Don't even know why she pays a stylist.
 
WWD needs to shut it and move on from this mess, honestly...
 
Meryl should've gone for the Chanel gown... My gawd, she's always so bad dressed. That blue thing was as cheap as it gets. Don't even know why she pays a stylist.
hahahahaha she wasn't that bad. but I can only imagine how much better she would've been in a Chanel. ES dresses are nice but boring. They're like vanilla for wealthy people.
 
Inez & Vinoodh under fire for YSL campaign.

Read the comments. SJWs are attacking them because the campaign shows the *** of a woman and apparently 'sexual' campaigns are anti-feminist and should be stopped!

 
I actually have zero issues with this campaign whatsoever, truth be told I actually think it's all very outdated (VP under Carine). And I'm certainly not on the SJW bandwagon either, but I'm more intrigued by Inez's (and I'm assumung she wrote this) response. She doesn't once discuss the inception of this shoot or whatever the message was here. Explain the creative process, open a dialogue, instead of screaming at a furious mass.

Her reasoning of 'it's just a picture, a willing model at a photoshoot', and that people should rather concern themselves with Trump, and how women's rights is in jeopardy right now, don't wash well with me. Because people in general are quite vocal about these issues anyway. This flagrant type of whataboutery form of rationalisation is absolutely pointless to the debate, and renders her exceedingly dimwitted. But who knows, maybe it was typed in rage?

I don't think these images incite r*pe at all. I do think that society would be well off without their current campaign for Alexander Wang though!

What about Vinoodh? Can he speak? I'd like to hear his thoughts on this. Because the way I understand they work as a team.
 
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Agree with you Benn. Btw it's not a text by Inez, it's a repost from Carine Bizet who is a French journalist. Can explain the lack of insight on what was their vision for this campaign!
 
Agree with you Benn. Btw it's not a text by Inez, it's a repost from Carine Bizet who is a French journalist. Can explain the lack of insight on what was their vision for this campaign!

Thanks for that! ;)
 
^ I just can't get over the fact that you're sending us to breitbart. :ninja:

I resist clicking on that (also think it's always better to post the articles instead of directing traffic elsewhere).
 
:lol: I'm screaming I didn't even realize.

Anyways it was just an article about a 15 year old walking shows and Karl says that Kate and Naomi did the same things at a younger age, not much really.
 
But she walked for Dior even before appearing at Chanel.
 
But she walked for Dior even before appearing at Chanel.

Of course Chiuri can do no wrong, she's got the populist-type of feminists in her pocket. Say anything untoward against her and they'll come for you like a pack of vultures picking on carrion! Anyway, I've seen this girl in more than one fashion edit over the past few months! They should also call out W magazine, the photographers who back her etc. Karl is just an easy target.

“They come with their mothers. In my studios there are no drugs and no one jumps on them,” the 83-year-old veteran added.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: He's right, I'm sure...

It would be interesting to see which Vogue will slip up and book her for an edit (they pledged never to shoot underage girls).
 
It would be interesting to see which Vogue will slip up and book her for an edit (they pledged never to shoot underage girls).
That made me curious, never heard of such a pledge before. Is it true for all editions or just for certain? And do they consider "underage" under 18 or under 16?
 
“They come with their mothers. In my studios there are no drugs and no one jumps on them,” the 83-year-old veteran added.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: He's right, I'm sure...
Well am I missing anything? I don't think I've seen anywhere that something like that happened to a Chanel or Fendi fitting (tho i'm not very good at remembering things) so i don't get the sarcasm. And I don't mean to "attack" you I'm just asking because your response made me curious
 
That made me curious, never heard of such a pledge before. Is it true for all editions or just for certain? And do they consider "underage" under 18 or under 16?

See below. It should apply to all editions, but I know for a fact China, Mexico and Italy broke the rules shortly after this statement was issued. And now, British Vogue.

Vogue Adopts a 16-and-Over Modeling Rule
By Eric Wilson May 3, 2012 10:26 am May 3, 2012 10:26 am
Vogue, May 2012.Vogue, via Associated PressVogue, May 2012.

Beginning with their June issues, the editors of the 19 international editions of Vogue magazine have made a pact to stop using models under age 16 or those who, from the viewpoint of the editors, appear to have an eating disorder.

In a somewhat unusual announcement, unusual in that the magazines are wading into a controversial issue, the Condé Nast International chairman, Jonathan Newhouse, said on Thursday, “Vogue editors around the world want the magazines to reflect their commitment to the health of the models who appear on the pages and the well-being of their readers.”

For decades, fashion magazines have been criticized for upholding an unrealistic standard of beauty, and even more so with the widespread use of digital retouching that often results in images of models and celebrities that have no basis in reality. While Vogue editors like Anna Wintour, of the American edition, and Franca Sozzani, of Italy, have participated in recent efforts by the Council of Fashion Designers of America to promote healthier behavior in the modeling industry, the magazines have not typically issued their own standards.

The fashion council released its own guidelines to designers and modeling agencies last season, asking them not to use models younger than 16 on their runways, and most have complied. The designer Marc Jacobs, however, disagreed with the council on that point and did use some models under that age, represented by Ford Models, in his show.

The Vogue announcement included the following six-point pact.

“1. We will not knowingly work with models under the age of 16 or who appear to have an eating disorder. We will work with models who, in our view, are healthy and help to promote a healthy body image.

“2. We will ask agents not to knowingly send us underage girls and casting directors to check IDs when casting shoots, shows and campaigns.

“3. We will help to structure mentoring programs where more mature models are able to give advice and guidance to younger girls, and we will help to raise industry-wide awareness through education, as has been integral to the Council of Fashion Designers of America Health Initiative.

“4. We will encourage producers to create healthy backstage working conditions, including healthy food options and a respect for privacy. We will encourage casting agents not to keep models unreasonably late.

“5. We encourage designers to consider the consequences of unrealistically small sample sizes of their clothing, which limits the range of women who can be photographed in their clothes, and encourages the use of extremely thin models.

“6. We will be ambassadors for the message of healthy body image.”

Article Source: https://runway.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/vogue-adopts-a-16-and-over-modeling-rule/?ref=fashion&_r=0

Well am I missing anything? I don't think I've seen anywhere that something like that happened to a Chanel or Fendi fitting (tho i'm not very good at remembering things) so i don't get the sarcasm. And I don't mean to "attack" you I'm just asking because your response made me curious

No sarcasm, I just found the 'they come with their mothers' and 'no one jumps on them' bits amusing, that's all.
 

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