Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[tapenerd]

Lordt. He’s a mess.

 

[Annie Hall]

Seriously? An Off-White popsocket costs more than that! His net worth is $14 mil and he's boasting about donating $50 lol.

Also, apparently he's been ranting on his story about his / his white friend's store being looted, complaining about the storefronts being damaged, the death of the streetwear community and all that. Read the room, Virgil. (Meanwhile, Marc Jacobs is encouraging it! Surprised Vivienne Westwood has remained quiet)

 

[dodencebt]

I've always thought complaining about how much (or how little) a celebrity has donated to a cause is tacky because at least they donated, but those donations have been in a different ball bark; this one is laughable. Like, why would he post this. It's like an average salary person donating less than a cent and bragging about it on social media, it makes no sense. And if you're proud of this minuscule contribution to the community that made you a star, Virgil, please keep it to yourself.

 

[Benn98]

Surprised Vivienne Westwood has remained quiet

Probably too worried about how it would affect her offshore account in Luxembourg. She's only 'punk' when there's a quid to be made from it.

 

[Avonlea]

Also, apparently he's been ranting on his story about his / his white friend's store being looted, complaining about the storefronts being damaged

This is one of the few things I agree with him on. Destroying storefronts and stealing is not right and it will never be. All it does is just reinforcing the negative stereotypes about black people.
The policeman who killed Floyd should be punished but the amount of hatred and violence towards both police and white people is ridiculous. This is getting out of hand. Ironically, these people are doing exactly what they are protesting against.
Just wanted to add that I do realize there are a lot of people who peacefully demonstrate their sadness and sense of injustice which is absolutely understandable.

 

[mikel]

Destroying storefronts and stealing is not right and it will never be.

Destroying black peoples lives is not right and it will never be.

 

[Avonlea]

Destroying black peoples lives is not right and it will never be.

No one is saying it is.

 

[mikel]

No one is saying it is.

Yet, you choose to focus on the destruction of property in your post.

 

[Avonlea]

Yet, you choose to focus on the destruction of property in your post.

I have just shared my opinion on Annie Hall post about Virgils insta story so I am not sure what were you expecting.

 

[LostInNJ]

This is one of the few things I agree with him on. Destroying storefronts and stealing is not right and it will never be. All it does is just reinforcing the negative stereotypes about black people.
The policeman who killed Floyd should be punished but the amount of hatred and violence towards both police and white people is ridiculous. This is getting out of hand. Ironically, these people are doing exactly what they are protesting against.
Just wanted to add that I do realize there are a lot of people who peacefully demonstrate their sadness and sense of injustice which is absolutely understandable.

Let me preface this by saying, I am not interested in starting a huge debate on race, however, I cannot and will not sit idly as I read comments like this. My comments aren't meant as an attack, but perhaps to help you better understand the situation.

I'm not sure what you don't understand about the repeated killing and beatings of black people at the hands of the police, the systemic racism in America (the world, really), and the racial prejudice inflicted upon black people. Perhaps that is where all the hatred is stemming from. Not to mention the people protesting peacefully and still being beaten/arrested/and gassed.

Also, if you don't mind to elaborate on the irony part you mention...I fail to see where irony comes into play regarding black people (and white people) protesting equal rights and equal treatment in connection with looting (which white people are also participating and in some cases, starting).

 

[Avonlea]

Let me preface this by saying, I am not interested in starting a huge debate on race, however, I cannot and will not sit idly as I read comments like this. My comments aren't meant as an attack, but perhaps to help you better understand the situation.

I'm not sure what you don't understand about the repeated killing and beatings of black people at the hands of the police, the systemic racism in America (the world, really), and the racial prejudice inflicted upon black people. Perhaps that is where all the hatred is stemming from. Not to mention the people protesting peacefully and still being beaten/arrested/and gassed.

Also, if you don't mind to elaborate on the irony part you mention...I fail to see where irony comes into play regarding black people (and white people) protesting equal rights and equal treatment in connection with looting (which white people are also participating and in some cases, starting).

I dont think this is the right place for this kind of conversation. You view this situation differently then I do which is totally fine. All I am saying is that vandalism doesnt help anyone. Man died and there are disgusting people who used this as an opportunity to steal and destroy. Instead of encouraging and praising the rioters (which is happening on social media), protesters should disassociate themselves from them and condemn such actions.
The situation in US is very problematic however I dont think that radical statements like "all cops are pigs", "kill the police" are the answer. This a complex topic and there are a lot of things that should be taken into consideration.

 

[mikel]

I dont think this is the right place for this kind of conversation. You view this situation differently then I do which is totally fine. All I am saying is that vandalism doesnt help anyone. Man died and there are disgusting people who used this as an opportunity to steal and destroy. Instead of encouraging and praising the rioters (which is happening on social media), protesters should disassociate themselves from them and condemn such actions.
The situation in US is very problematic however I dont think that radical statements like "all cops are pigs", "kill the police" are the answer. This a complex topic and there are a lot of things that should be taken into consideration.

You make some valid points. But in the end only ONE thing should be taken into consideration the most in this case, and it’s not so difficult to say actually: BLACK LIVES MATTER!

 

[Avonlea]

You make some valid points. But in the end only ONE thing should be taken into consideration the most in this case, and it’s not so difficult to say actually: BLACK LIVES MATTER!

of course

 

[Summer Day]

This is one of the few things I agree with him on. Destroying storefronts and stealing is not right and it will never be. All it does is just reinforcing the negative stereotypes about black people.
The policeman who killed Floyd should be punished but the amount of hatred and violence towards both police and white people is ridiculous. This is getting out of hand. Ironically, these people are doing exactly what they are protesting against.
Just wanted to add that I do realize there are a lot of people who peacefully demonstrate their sadness and sense of injustice which is absolutely understandable.

I hope you're aware that it's more than just black people destroying storefronts and stealing. I know the mainstream media is making it out to only be black people (as usual), but it's been the same amount of white people, if not more, participating in these events. And the fact that you're saying that the violence against police and white is ridiculous is very insulting and sad.
How do you view the killings of black people? Everyone has had enough which is why you're seeing these events unfold. There has been peaceful protests for the past few years and where has that gotten us? With yet another innocent black life lost, while cops are given paid leave and the opportunity to take yet another innocent life. For the record, how many police and white people have you seen hurt in the past few days compared to the people who are actually peacefully protesting.

 

[MulletProof]

I'm more amazed that he chose to donate this pittance AND made it public.

I wonder if he was aware that the amount would show ..

Truth is, a lot of shame and stereotyping comes with being a minority in the US, so it's not unusual to see POC with some amount of achievements wanting disassociation from the group everyone wants them to belong (or forcibly and constantly wants to box them in).. I kind of understand but eventually it enters 'turning back on your own people' territory. In LA in particular, I have crossed paths with a few characters (especially the ones that are sort of well-known here for hanging out with the Hadids, Jenners and whatnot) that are black but act dismissively towards any non-white person, don't date black women (I actually know someone that will exclusively date Swedish women ), will remind you that they grew up in Santa Monica, blahblahblah. Any regular day their ig stories consist of River Phoenix/Brad and Jen in the 90s throwbacks but since last week, it's BLM. ASAP Rocky's approach sum up this type of person quite well and I really think Virgil, though he enjoys a career paraded as 'breaking racial barriers' and supporting POC, just leads his personal life that way. He still gets the pressure and benefits from speaking up.. but the amount makes it clear it's just for show. I do want to judge these peeps a bit but am also aware it's a waste of energy to condemn or punish them for that, it's just a symptom of a society making a race seem 'wrong', or like it can be corrected if only you act 'white enough'. Ultimately, who cares about people in entertainment/fashion.. in social/political movements, most of them should follow, not lead, it's so naive to look at them expecting them to be 'use their influence or voice'.. their influence is only there because they made a pair of sneakers or wrote a catchy song, so.. maybe quitting our celeb-starved culture would do society a favor for starters.

 

[Gabriel29]

Posted this regarding Virgil in the Models Behavior thread but may be a better fit here since it's already being discussed.

Duckie Thot drags Virgil Abloh

 

[Benn98]

^Good on Duckie to say what other models are too afraid to say because it will hurt their bookings. Of course Virgil released an apology since, and of course it was signed with off with his name and the trademarked sign (to just show you how serious he is about this), and of course every celeb or fashion personality chasing some clout rushed to black heart emoji or endorse the post

Ultimately, who cares about people in entertainment/fashion.. in social/political movements, most of them should follow, not lead, it's so naive to look at them expecting them to be 'use their influence or voice'.. their influence is only there because they made a pair of sneakers or wrote a catchy song, so.. maybe quitting our celeb-starved culture would do society a favor for starters.

There seems to be a lot of talk right now about moving away from celebrity culture because some of them have really been showing their worst side over the past weekend. Maybe that would be great, but I don't believe for a second that it will last. Remember, it trickles all the way down from art. Films get watched because a certain person made it or is starring in it, sneakers get sold because Virgil made it. Remove him and watch he entire setup collapse. The Arnaults/Pinaults of the world who are cashing in behind the scenes won't allow that to happen.

In Virgil's apology, the very first thing he cited when it came to his accomplishments were the all-black cast in his debut show for LV (Louis Vuitton is in bold italics, just in case you skim over it.) Forget about the fact that he set up his own label and made a polarising success of it to the point that it got him a bigger platform. Remove our opinion on Off-White' for a second and just look at the success he achieved almost singlehandedly. I can see some black people taking that as inspirational to a degree. Why not put that forward as your 'contribution to the culture'? It's this blind spot that whatever he achieves must somehow be validated by an organisation that up until recently kept people like him at arm's length. I cannot for the life of me understand that mentality and it's actually something that transcends race and class.

 

[Nomar]

Did anyone see Phillip Lim's instagram story?

It's really sad to see that his store was broken into and looted/vandalised as part of the riots. I feel bad particularly for him because he's always come across as such a nice guy and is almost always vocal about these types of social issues.

On another note, I can't imagine how horrible it is for other small designers/businesses who were similarly affected.

 

[Benn98]

Did anyone see Phillip Lim's instagram story?

It's really sad to see that his store was broken into and looted/vandalised as part of the riots. I feel bad particularly for him because he's always come across as such a nice guy and is almost always vocal about these types of social issues.

On another note, I can't imagine how horrible it is for other small designers/businesses who were similarly affected.

Marc Jacobs as well, who actually posted support for the protest across his platforms prior to his store getting looted and continues to post.
I feel for the smaller brands who were already set back and had to seek financial support from the CFDA fund in order to weather them through lockdown, and now this. Some are haughtily saying 'oh, but they can claim insurance', but this is just another setback for them.

 

[Nomar]

I feel for the smaller brands who were already set back and had to seek financial support from the CFDA fund in order to weather them through lockdown, and now this. Some are haughtily saying 'oh, but they can claim insurance', but this is just another setback for them.

Exactly my concern as well. Unfortunately many brands don't have a mega conglomerate like LVMH supporting them in all aspects so I guess it'll be interesting to see how these riots will affect them (long term?).

On another note, Phillip also had the same stance as Marc in regards to the protests.