Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[Phuel]

Untalented. Unattractive. Unstylish. Charmless. And a supposedly terribly lazy man. LOL he is the epitome of this fashion era.

 

[helmutnotdead]

It’s goddamn obvious.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

Well... Since you guys talked about a designer who does nothing and leaves everything to his team, my friend works at an Italian brand and said that the designer DOES NOTHING, including a recent collaboration between two brands, the team of the other brand did practically EVERYTHING!

To make matters worse, this designer is a complete B#TCH! The story gets better when my friend tells me that he was so mad at this designer, that he was able to have a one-night stand with his boyfriend. I was skeptical until I saw the conversations, photos and videos. Guys, I wanted to share EVERYTHING, but I can't!

Wait who had a one night stand with who? Your friend with the designer's bf or the designer with your friend's bf?

 

[DK92]

Guys, I think I was very direct, but to be clearer: he works for another brand in Paris.

Wait who had a one night stand with who? Your friend with the designer's bf or the designer with your friend's bf?

My friend to get revenge on this designer went to NY at his boyfriend's apartment and they had sex!

 

[gunsnroses]

Guys, I think I was very direct, but to be clearer: he works for another brand in Paris.

I love Kim Jones’ Dior so this is very disappointing. I loved his LV men collections and was disappointed when they replaced him with Virgil

 

[Melancholybaby]

Not really new information but I've heard from two sources that Mr. Tisci isn't designing at Burberry and just signs off on what the team produces at this point.

I've heard the exact same thing from a team member of his. Not surprised one bit- all of his work for Burberry emanates this lazy, soulless energy.

 

[velvetandsilk]

Not really new information but I've heard from two sources that Mr. Tisci isn't designing at Burberry and just signs off on what the team produces at this point.

I'm not surprised. On his instagram mainly photos from parties with Irina. Besides, he looks tired always. At a certain age it is no longer possible to combine intensive partying with work.

 

[Marc10]

It's so weird to me how from day one his heart didn't seem in it. You would think a designer would be so excited for a new chapter at a great big new brand... but his work always looked he was forced to be there. I can't understand.

 

[eugenius]

I'm not surprised with Riccardo at Burberry. Looking at what he did before at Givenchy, it’s clear that THAT designer is nowhere to be found in the modern-day Burberry. I bet his Burberry gig didn’t turn out the way he had hoped it would, so he’s pretty much just phoning it in at this point now.

It seems pretty telling that the only good looks he's had at Burberry are the ones that he had at his previous gig...from 10 years ago.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

Maybe he's still bummed about the Versace position falling through. That seemed like such a better fit

 

[DK92]

Tom, I love you!

 

[Lola701]

Not really new information but I've heard from two sources that Mr. Tisci isn't designing at Burberry and just signs off on what the team produces at this point.

It’s interesting because I thought it was an understanding that he only designed the runway stuff…
I wonder how Gobbetti sold him the position because the promise of the revamp of Burberry is a bit different to what actually happened.

I can’t be mad at him. Not all marriages works. Thankfully for him, it has a commercial success and it still maintain his caché (the decline of Givenchy post-him helps too).
And I think it’s also a teaching lesson in a way to handle a heritage brand vs a fashion/Couture House. Things are less vertical. A ballgown at Burberry is pointless no matter how frustrated you are to not do Couture craftsmanship…

 

[Benn98]

Amy Odell should leave Englishness out of this. Why do everyone think we're obsessed with fancy dress and karaoke?

As for Tom, same could be said about his collections, but ok.

But then again maybe Tom doing Tom each season is in itself a sort of rebellion against the trend/clout-based narrative of fashion (and design culture!) right now. And if this is indeed the case, it never worked in the past. I think Alaia didn't chase trends either and his work although respected ended up existing in a vessel entirely separated from fashion. It was hardly editorialised for starters.

Anna Wintour is too far gone, the recent covers are proof of that. But Tom is part of the event AND NYFW. That right there is immense power and influence. He could change things systematically if he wants to.

He's just crying for attention here.

 

[elizabeth dreams]

So I just saw this at @ideservecouture on Instagram today and I want to hear what you guys think.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/04/26/maria-grazia-chiuri-dior/

A part of this article says:

At Dior, amid the pretty frocks, a host of fashion’s nagging depictions, exclusions and stereotypes endure. A virtual presentation in 2020 was cast with almost all White models. Chiuri attributed the decision to the show being inspired by Botticelli and Greek mythology. But that also reflects a stubborn momentum. Somehow Chiuri couldn’t see a way to broaden familiar fictional stories so they reflected the 21st century.

The models at Dior are still mostly young and skinny. “The models don’t represent women,” Chiuri explains. “When you see a model, it’s not that you want to dream about being a model. You have to see yourself in the dress. The model is only a girl that passes in front of you.”

“We have to change a mentality,” Chiuri says. In other words, we have to stop imbuing models with so much power, which seems like a worthy task. But in the meantime, why not simply share the power they already possess with a more diverse assemblage?

 

[dior_couture1245]

Once again...more white hate. Somehow "progress" always seems to be code-word for "less white people involved."

She was inspired by Botticelli and Greek mythology. Why can't she cast it accordingly? Are white people allowed to have anything that belongs to them anymore? Or is our culture, heritage, identity and ancestry completely up for grabs for everyone. She's an Italian woman being inspired by her own, personal history.

Nobody bats an eye - in fact, they piss themselves with adulation - when a designer like Telfar or Pyer Moss cast exclusively black models while explicitly celebrating black culture. No one seems to have a problem with the lack of diversity there.

Meanwhile, heaven forbid a white girl braid her hair or wear a cheongsam prom dress...we never hear the endless wails of cultural appropriation when that happens. But somehow, an Asian or black model in a Greco-Roman dress is not cultural appropriation.

Sick of it.

 

[Phuel]

^^^ LOL Kerby is the Al Sharpton of the industry: He lives off-- and profits off racial division and grievance, while lacking any creative and artisanal skill and craft. So his actions are predictably that of a self-segregationist and self-promoter. A talent like Grace Wales Bonner is worthy of reference and influence: She lets her talent speak.

This is the slop of an era we unfortunately have to weather through; where a single show— or campaign, or cover, that doesn’t feature Black presence, is instantly accused of racism/oppression/privilege etc etc. Because, god forbid, a single collection inspired by Roman design, doesn’t include any Black models, is hilariously decried as exclusive. It’s just one collection LOOOL

Anyway, iif the article is to be taken out of its echo chamber of self-important checklist of “inclusivity and diversity” rhetoric, then even Maria Grazia’s conservative department-store fashions aren’t aesthetically acceptable enough for the supposedly proud feminists LOL Why are these people taht clearly loathe fashion writing for fashion? (..Just like why are such untalented, uncreative and absolutely incompetent people being hyped to such highs in the industry…)

 

[dior_couture1245]

Why are these people that clearly loathe fashion writing for fashion

Excellent point.

It seems a pre-requisite these days to loathe the industry you work in if you want to have any level of success - this is true for fashion, movies, art, literature, academic history, etc. It feels like everything is poisoned and held hostage by a rabid group of nihilists hell-bent on destruction in the name of "progress."

You know...all of us "fuddy duddy" first or second generation TFS users here used to sit around here waxing poetic about the fashion of a decade and half, almost two decades ago. There were shows that moved us to tears. A Dior or Prada thread could reach upwards of 20 pages. There were magazines that inspired us to personally pursue careers in the industry. Take a look back into any runway thread in the "Art of Noise" subforum...there were dozens of pages of us hunting down an obscure song without the help of Shazam. It was an industry full of people who LOVED what they did and what they saw.

Now, we all have to suffer the constant nagging of haters who only seem capable of contributing mindless and endless accusations of racism, sexism, phobia-this-and-that, exclusion and privilege, and more. Where did you all come from? Why are you here? What do you even like about fashion? This class of nihilists seem to appear out of nowhere, demand an industry to change to their miserable tastes, and then turn around and act like those of us who were here before are out of touch and out of synch "with the times," and that our complaints are proof of our inherent racism or white privilege or fat-phobia or whatever. Huh? It's the equivalent of strangers moving unannounced and uninvited into your house, throwing away all of your possessions, making a mess, eating your food in the fridge, throwing late-night benders and then scoffing at you for being both bewildered and just a little ticked off.

I personally find it disgusting and I am completely out of patience or sympathy to endure it or tolerate it.

 

[Deleted member 116957]

Tom's comment about the Met Gala reminds me of a book I read recently, which used the Met Gala as an example to define the word "kitsch."

"An old fashioned word, quite difficult to summarily translate, roughly understood as a sentimentally pretentious attempt at art, in pathetic bad taste. The closest way to comprehend it today could be the red-carpet parade of the Met Gala..." ​

 

[Frederic01]

So I just saw this at @ideservecouture on Instagram today and I want to hear what you guys think.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/04/26/maria-grazia-chiuri-dior/

A part of this article says:

At Dior, amid the pretty frocks, a host of fashion’s nagging depictions, exclusions and stereotypes endure. A virtual presentation in 2020 was cast with almost all White models. Chiuri attributed the decision to the show being inspired by Botticelli and Greek mythology. But that also reflects a stubborn momentum. Somehow Chiuri couldn’t see a way to broaden familiar fictional stories so they reflected the 21st century.

The models at Dior are still mostly young and skinny. “The models don’t represent women,” Chiuri explains. “When you see a model, it’s not that you want to dream about being a model. You have to see yourself in the dress. The model is only a girl that passes in front of you.”

“We have to change a mentality,” Chiuri says. In other words, we have to stop imbuing models with so much power, which seems like a worthy task. But in the meantime, why not simply share the power they already possess with a more diverse assemblage?

This piece was so poorly researched and so poorly written that I cringe reading it. Members on this forum have a more well rounded understanding of the fashion industry and of the history of DIOR that this alleged “fashion expert”.

Besides that, Givhan clearly despises the work of Maria Grazia and she isn’t trying to hide it whatsoever. I mean why else would you bring up the fact that Matteo Garrone chose to cast the actors and faces he chose to cast for a short film that debuted almost two years ago now, in a piece intended to coincide with the celebration of MGC’s achievements in the industry? Seems slightly viscous to me to be honest.

The article has also clearly misconstrued that MGC intended to say in regards to the models. I believe what she meant to communicate is that the model [physique] does not [necessarily] represent women. No that models do not represent women. Obviously.

I don’t understand why Givhan would take everything out of context, fully aware that MGC worries about her capability in communicating in English (as she so clearly states later in the article) purely in order to create some punchy one liners for the woke Twitter masses to get outraged over.

Her mode of journalism is at the lowest of the low. But then, what else do you expect of a journalist writing for The Washington Post LOL.

 

[Phuel]

^^^ Hadn’t released that it was written by Robin. Very disappointing, since she was usually a decent voice of reason amongst a vast ocean of pretentious fluff. Now she’s fully given into that pretentious fluff.

Can’t help but suspect this fluff piece, which checks all the woke commandments to appease the twittermob (it is The Washington Post, after all) is some sort of (paid) endorsement for and by the almighty LVMH. That they would allow -- and not be upset by such a hilariously sweeping, dismissive statement “Dior Was Part of the Patriarchy. Then She Changed Everything” (LOL) is such a disrespectful slap in the face of the immense talents that carried the brand for decades, and you know— supported by the faithful, loyal clientele. Sheesh. Anything to pimp Maria Grazia's bland department-store fodder, in the name of trendy activism, I guess.

And that corporate money/privilege/exclusivity doled out by the ultimate patriarch of the industry LVMH is too sweet to resist, I guess. Things haven't changed, after all.