Dior : The Madhouse

[Christopher31]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 2:03 pm


(And in reply to Acid, the most intelligent and the stupidest thing Paris Hilton has ever said was "Try anything once" )

 

[brian]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 1:03 pm
So what would your design vision for Dior be, Brian?

i don't even know. all of my great ideas right now are for my own label...
but i'd definitely design more traditional (yet still innovative), classier pieces and collections for dior... lots of tailored pieces.
and i'd put an end to the era of the label wh*re!
label-flaunting is something that i really do not agree with.
a label is supposed to be something that's on the inside of the clothing, imo, and i think it's much nicer to see a unique beautiful garment that can be recognized as a designer without having "DIOR DIOR OMG DIOR J'ADORE DIOR WTF DIOR DIOR!" all over it. it's a little ridiculous. i like subtle hints of designer, though, like perhaps the dior monogram "discreetly" etched onto the buttons of a jacket or something.

...i'm not too entirely certain that mr. dior had any of what john's done in mind as the vision for his own label... but some of it is actually quite nice. it's just the horror that's shown on the catwalk that is really the problem most of the time.

 

[Acid]

looks like you have your first tester ^^

 

[softgrey]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 1:46 pm
I bet a few of the fashion business execs are straight men...

that's true...but they pretty much stay away from the creative end of things...

 

[PrinceOfCats]

Aye, old Bernard Arnault looks like a bit of a suit connosieur to me though

Your vision sounds pretty cool Brian...how would you rework what are considered 'Dior classics'...would updated versions of the New Look or the oversized jacket with fake-waistline be done?

 

[Lena]

picture link dead

 

[softgrey]

can you re=post the image lena...i can't see it...

 

[Lena]

such a hard time to find working links to Dior vintage..
anyway, if i was working for Dior i would work in updating
the amazing Dior archives, bringing them to NOW with new textures etc

 

[softgrey]

LENA!!!...YOU'RE HIRED!!!

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by softgrey@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 10:37 pm
LENA!!!...YOU'RE HIRED!!!

 

[Spike413]

You have to wonder though, even though that one look influenced modern dress for women so much, would something like that be relevent at all nowadays? Even if it's updated, the way of dressing isn't how women dress anymore, for better or worse, so would something like that really work?

 

[softgrey]

spike...what do you mean...maybe skip the hat and gloves...but that jacket is relevant and that shape skirt is huge this spring...(um...prada?!?!)...

imagine the edges distressed and a bow added here or there..the armhole of the jacket lowered and the waist of the skirt looser...that's an easy way to update it and absolutely make this relevant...i could completely see pradaromance wearing this...and nuiko too!!!...

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by Spike413@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 10:47 pm
You have to wonder though, even though that one look influenced modern dress for women so much, would something like that be relevent at all nowadays? Even if it's updated, the way of dressing isn't how women dress anymore, for better or worse, so would something like that really work?

absolutely more relevant to modern life than Galliano's recent mad circus (thats for me anyway)

 

[Spike413]

Originally posted by Lena+Jun 23rd, 2004 - 4:56 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lena @ Jun 23rd, 2004 - 4:56 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Spike413@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 10:47 pm
You have to wonder though, even though that one look influenced modern dress for women so much, would something like that be relevent at all nowadays? Even if it's updated, the way of dressing isn't how women dress anymore, for better or worse, so would something like that really work?

absolutely more relevant to modern life than Galliano's recent mad circus (thats for me anyway) [/b][/quote]
Well Lena, that goes without saying I'm a Galliano fan and I even hated that collection.

I guess it's kind of hard to see past the entire image of the New Look, it's so iconic that it's hard to imagine it without the hat and cloves. Actually now that I look at it, that jacket would look really cool with a pair of ripped up jeans, a black t-shirt underneath and high-heeled black leather pumps.....Monsieur Dior would have my head

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by Spike413@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 11:40 pm
Actually now that I look at it, that jacket would look really cool with a pair of ripped up jeans, a black t-shirt underneath and high-heeled black leather pumps.....Monsieur Dior would have my head

hmmm hmm thats my spike

 

[Mutterlein]

I dunno. I am a believer in context. And while it is nice to go back and view the archives and revisit old pieces that Dior did it has to be understood that they were made for a different time and a different woman. To simply use those old garments and that old style for the sake of continuity is just annoying and even boring. I think what Galliano has done with the majority of his work is not to resubmitt old Dior or to even refine it, but instead add on to what it is. When I think of dior I think of french luxury, beauty, elegance. I think of those classic dior silhouettes and women like Audrey Hepburn and Marlena Dietrich. John Galliano has added on another concept, a greater idea of universal fashion, cultural fashion, unfashion, and unconventional beauty.

Although I frown at the recent trashiness and whorish commercialism of the logo prints and tacky collections (dior surf *ahem*) I applaud his specatcles including the last fall collection that so many of you hated. But what I liked about it that I think represents a more modern Dior is that he played with a different idea of beauty. Big, unrevealing, volumes seem unflattering in a culture where women had been corseted up and busts and curves equals sex appeal. But take it to Japan where the most beautiful women wore unrevealing kimonos you will find that a lot what Galliano put on the runway in that collection could easily be accepted by a tokoyo fashionista. In fact if you look at some Japanese street fashion you could find something not to different than what Galliano had.

 

[brian]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 1:14 pm
Your vision sounds pretty cool Brian...how would you rework what are considered 'Dior classics'...would updated versions of the New Look or the oversized jacket with fake-waistline be done?

yes, definitely!!

 

[brian]

Originally posted by Mutterlein@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 9:13 pm
Although I frown at the recent trashiness and whorish commercialism of the logo prints and tacky collections (dior surf *ahem*) I applaud his specatcles including the last fall collection that so many of you hated. But what I liked about it that I think represents a more modern Dior is that he played with a different idea of beauty. Big, unrevealing, volumes seem unflattering in a culture where women had been corseted up and busts and curves equals sex appeal. But take it to Japan where the most beautiful women wore unrevealing kimonos you will find that a lot what Galliano put on the runway in that collection could easily be accepted by a tokoyo fashionista. In fact if you look at some Japanese street fashion you could find something not to different than what Galliano had.

i agree

 

[brian]

Originally posted by Lena@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 3:33 pm
anyway, if i was working for Dior i would work in updating
the amazing Dior archives, bringing them to NOW with new textures etc

exactly what i'd have in plan for dior if i were the designer

i also agree with you on the finding links... it is pretty tough to find anything on the net. i was researching mr. dior's work from 1947 to the mid 50's for my own line/collection, and i found a lot of nice images.. here's a few

fall/winter 1955:

 

[nuiko]

absolutely stunning!
i adore those second-skin slim suits!!!