John Galliano Is Stripped Of Legion Of Honour

[Scott]

i'm sorry but i don't get the level of defense galliano is receiving. like he's above the punishment he's received. he's a fashion designer not the messiah. had this been somebody else,in another medium,would anybody be so quick to defend and say he "made his mistakes" or "he apologized" to justify his position in life? give me a break with that!

the bottom line is,he did something that was not only morally wrong but illegal in france. he has to pay for that. i don't have sympathy for the consequences he's getting at all.

 

[Chanelcouture09]

^I agree with you, I think had he been knighted or gained an OBE in the UK, when his 'crime' happened in France and they took it away from him, that would of been unfair, but the Legion of Honor is a French title and I do really understand them taking it away from him, had he kept the title it would of been as if they were still associating themselves with him and almost condoning what he did, I do feel sorry for his situation because everyone deserves a second chance but he neglected his high status and the fact that not only adults but children idolized him (we were all teenagers who thought he was practically god for crying out loud), he neglected the fact that he was so influential.

I do think the longer he takes away from the industry the more likely it is he won't return.

 

[CholoChic]

All right, after all talent won't strippe him and what he did for the nation of France was great.

 

[Spike413]

i'm sorry but i don't get the level of defense galliano is receiving. like he's above the punishment he's received. he's a fashion designer not the messiah. had this been somebody else,in another medium,would anybody be so quick to defend and say he "made his mistakes" or "he apologized" to justify his position in life? give me a break with that!

the bottom line is,he did something that was not only morally wrong but illegal in france. he has to pay for that. i don't have sympathy for the consequences he's getting at all.

I think it all depends on what one considers a fair punishment for saying something considered offensive. Being fired from the couture house he is employed at seems fair. Having everything he's worked for taken away from him seems, to me at least, above and beyond considering that his crime, in the GRAND scheme of morally offensive/illegal things, doesn't rank all that high. Making a pariah out of him seems hugely disproportionate to what he did.

Then again I'm willing to take into account the fact that he is clearly an addict of some kind. While that doesn't excuse him from anything he's done under the influence of anything, it certainly makes me more sympathetic to the fact that, were he in his right mind, he almost certainly never would have said what he did.

And I would like to think that I would take this position with anybody. It just so happens that being one of the most famous -- and respected -- designers in the world puts him at a much higher point from which to fall. The average Joe doesn't have a namesake company which he can be removed from, he doesn't have a prestigious job to lose, he doesn't have an award bestowed by the government to be stripped of and he doesn't have the entire world watching while it happens, and the average Joe probably wouldn't be made an example of so quickly.

 

[angel222]

Does it really matter? They give that award to a lot of people any ways so taking it back isn't much of a big deal, just take a look at the hoards of people the french "honor." They'll honor a bologna sandwich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_L%C3%A9gion_d%27honneur_recipients_by_name

 

[dsamg]

This is such a disgrace!

Galliano has apologized, received his conviction, paid his penalty, been to rehab AND lost his entire career.

How long will people keep on punishing him!?!

His artistic archievments and the ART he created over DECADES is immortal and can never be taken away by anything!!!

He HAS BEEN A GENIOUS FOR DECADES!!!! And people keep judging him over a 3-minute MISTAKE that he apologized for!?! THIS IS NOT FAIR!!!

Should crime really be justified by the level of talent/genius someone has? To me, it wasn't really a 3-minute mistake. Drunk or not, I really just don't think that any normal person would ever show support towards most unspeakable event in human history. Saying you love Hitler and telling Italian women they would be dead and gassed is just not excusable and in order for him to say things like this he obviously must believe them

 

[YoninahAliza]

To me a crime is a crime no matter the amount of talent someone has. I'll admit that whenever I see any of Galliano's work which was done prior to this scandal it's tainted a bit- because I think about the awful things he said- but I try to remember that he's not the only one who worked on those collections so they aren't totally ruined for me. There were numerous people who worked on the collections at Dior (as evidenced after one of the shows where many of them came out onto the runway) so it's fair to think Galliano doesn't deserve all the credit. Perhaps this is a bit silly to some, but the way someone behaves does affect the way their work is viewed. Maybe some people can view the two as separate issues but as for me, I cannot. Just because someone is immensely talented does not excuse them from being a good human being. And of course Galliano has talent, I think most of us can agree on that, but at the same time, now that we know how he behaved outside of work it muddles things up. Clearly he has some issues he needs to work through (and I sincerely hope he is working though them) however it still does not excuse his actions. And thus since he not only made statements which were absolutely horrible but also illegal he must pay the price. And part of the price includes being stripped of his title.

 

[Littleathquakes]

Should crime really be justified by the level of talent/genius someone has? To me, it wasn't really a 3-minute mistake. Drunk or not, I really just don't think that any normal person would ever show support towards most unspeakable event in human history. Saying you love Hitler and telling Italian women they would be dead and gassed is just not excusable and in order for him to say things like this he obviously must believe them

are you seriously trying to link a drunken tirade to the Holocaust People act differently when they're under the influence of alcohol. That's not an excuse for what he did. But to accuse him of being a closeted racist whose drunken outburst speaks of his true character is absurd. Those actions under the influence certainly do not characterize any person in his normal state. And considering Galliano comes from Jewish lineage, that's even more absurd.

i'm sorry but i don't get the level of defense galliano is receiving. like he's above the punishment he's received. he's a fashion designer not the messiah. had this been somebody else,in another medium,would anybody be so quick to defend and say he "made his mistakes" or "he apologized" to justify his position in life? give me a break with that!

He has paid. Dearly. He got fired from Dior. He lost his role at the fashion house that bears his own name. He's been fined. This is just another act against him. You act like he got a clean get away and this was the only thing that's been done to him so far

 

[lady stardust]

omg it's never gonna end..B)

 

[iluvjeisa]

A lot of you talk like you've never been on a bender. You don't sleep for days, drink too much and black out....the next day you hear from others what you've said and it seems to make as much sense as what happens in a dream.

This is what "out of it" means, and that's obviously what Galliano did. Now, given that type of behavior, it's his responsibility to clean up if he wants to continue being a public figure.

This punishment is a bit untimely, but that's just beurocracy.

 

[Miss Galliano]

Such Rubbish, John was drunk ,he learned his lesson.. buit i am glad that Dior will not discover that they won't get satisfaction because they have lost ..they won't win anything for punishing john because he is not hitler , they lost Dior vision..everything damn Bernard !

 

[chickadee]

You know what? A lot of times people will say what they really feel when they're drunk because your inhibitions are lowered. Obviously, I don't know what was going on in Galliano's mind or what his actual opinions are, but come on people. What he said is not the usual asininity your average drunk spews. So the argument that he was drunk or high or under the influence is a bit iffy, IMO.

And this latest news is just to be expected. In the US our hate speech laws are obviously more lax than France's (I think it has to be determined that you intended or incite violence with your words), so I'm afraid my perspective is a bit skewed on this. I'm not surprised, but I don't quite understand stripping him of an honor for his contribution to fashion which is still significant separate from his being a possible racist d-bag.

 

[Scott]

He has paid. Dearly. He got fired from Dior. He lost his role at the fashion house that bears his own name. He's been fined. This is just another act against him. You act like he got a clean get away and this was the only thing that's been done to him so far

oh poor victim galliano with his millions of dollars in the bank...just can't seem to catch a break for making truly offensive remarks. honestly that excuse as well as that "he was intoxicated" excuse is as tired as he was as a designer. how about those patrons he said these things directly to? or a generation of people he was speaking about. yeah. indefensible.

i'm just curious what these miracles were that galliano performed to receive so much support and so much backlash toward those that aren't.

 

[t-rex]

This thread is missing the inane argument that Galliano clearly didn't believe in the things he said because he is gay and gay people were persecuted by the Nazis as well.

 

[YayYay533]

I miss Dior with Galliano :'(

 

[fashionista-ta]

i'm sorry but i don't get the level of defense galliano is receiving. like he's above the punishment he's received. he's a fashion designer not the messiah. had this been somebody else,in another medium,would anybody be so quick to defend and say he "made his mistakes" or "he apologized" to justify his position in life? give me a break with that!

the bottom line is,he did something that was not only morally wrong but illegal in france. he has to pay for that. i don't have sympathy for the consequences he's getting at all.

I don't get it either This thread makes me think that standards around here must be pretty low.

And I agree that just being drunk doesn't explain this. I've seen lots of people drunk and not one went into a rant about Hitler. There has to be more to this than that.

 

[Psylocke]

I think the main problem is that people don't make a difference between forgiving a person for what they've done on a personal level and making one suffer the legal consequences for their actions. And that both have nothing to do with how talented or famous someone is. On a personal level I could probably forgive someone for doing something as stupid as this but legally there is no way such actions can be ignored and it seems natural to me that they would strip him of a merit award after such a misstep. I agree that the timing is weird but what does it matter, really. I did feel sorry for Galliano when they fired him from his namesake label and replaced him with Gaytten ninja because that must have hurt to have the label that you have built up under your name taken away from you. And it was such a pointless move, too. They could have just shut down the label. But this is different, if you don't live up to being a member of the Order then you have no right to keep it. I don't see how this is disrespectful to him or his work in any way, it seems fair to me.

 

[Spike413]

oh poor victim galliano with his millions of dollars in the bank...just can't seem to catch a break for making truly offensive remarks. honestly that excuse as well as that "he was intoxicated" excuse is as tired as he was as a designer. how about those patrons he said these things directly to? or a generation of people he was speaking about. yeah. indefensible.

i'm just curious what these miracles were that galliano performed to receive so much support and so much backlash toward those that aren't.

You mean the ones who were recording the event and laughing about it? Yes I'm sure they're still absolutely torn up about it. How difficult it must be to be them. Because no other person has been on the receiving end of an insult and come through the ordeal unscathed.

Have none of us EVER said anything offensive to/about someone? Have none of us EVER made an offensive/politically incorrect joke about a person/group of people that, in most people's eyes, would be considered wrong to say aloud? Have none of us EVER taken the lowest blow possible to try and hurt or upset someone in a disagreement or argument?

Must just be me that's been less than a perfect human being.

 

[Bertrando3]

This is such a disgrace!

Galliano has apologized, received his conviction, paid his penalty, been to rehab AND lost his entire career.

How long will people keep on punishing him!?!

His artistic archievments and the ART he created over DECADES is immortal and can never be taken away by anything!!!

He HAS BEEN A GENIOUS FOR DECADES!!!! And people keep judging him over a 3-minute MISTAKE that he apologized for!?! THIS IS NOT FAIR!!!

I agree 200% !! I feel that the world wants to focus on him while others keep doing atrocities or have done way worse! It's disgusting, he did paid for what he said. It's ridiculous.

 

[TREVOFASHIONISTO]

You mean the ones who were recording the event and laughing about it? Yes I'm sure they're still absolutely torn up about it. How difficult it must be to be them. Because no other person has been on the receiving end of an insult and come through the ordeal unscathed.

Have none of us EVER said anything offensive to/about someone? Have none of us EVER made an offensive/politically incorrect joke about a person/group of people that, in most people's eyes, would be considered wrong to say aloud? Have none of us EVER taken the lowest blow possible to try and hurt or upset someone in a disagreement or argument?

Must just be me that's been less than a perfect human being.

this! I completely agree