Zazie said:2nd that! There is a great difference between just tying stuff round the waist/hip and translating that comforting gesture into a concept for a skirt. I'm not sure if Rei or Yohji did it before, but I haven't seen that till ASB did her version. MJ's version is almost copy for copy, except he used leather, which is crazy as leather is bulky and doesn't tie well.
Please, people, don't get personal...unless you are MJ himself or some proxy. We are not trying to "show off" fashion history or knowledge, the main issue is how relevant.
First of all, nothing wrong with being knowledgeable or having a good memory for designs that made an impression. Those who take fashion seriously probably even accumulate their own treasured archives. I am awed by tfsers because many of them can simply post stuff from 10, 20 years ago, before the internet, hell, before they were born, just look at some of those threads. How many fashion editors/journalists do that? I respect and kowtow to knowledge, be it fashion, history, science, art or literature.
2nd, it is only doing justice to other designers to acknowledge their originality and contribution. I'd hate for something I thought up or invented duplicated and quietly "becoming" the genius of another person, especially when I'm a struggling artist and the other a huge money-churning machine.
3rd, a little post like mine will not make the slightest dent in the sales of MJ's clothes. So, don't worry. It's not going to stop his fans from splurging. But at least ASB or other designers are owed some acknowledgement.
4th, If I was wrong and MJ indeed designed a built-in sleeves skirt exactly like that before ASB, I'd love to see the old pictures and be happy to be corrected. It is also good to correct my own and others' misconceptions about MJ. This is what makes a good fashion forum, not be afraid to talk about the designs beyond "I love/hate it" and not to be swayed by editorials.
Peace.
Caffeine said:Vera Wang made a similar necklace as Marc did in one of the past seasons, and her stylist insisted not to show it on runway, but even Vera Wang had no idea that Marc made the same thing. Do they need an "anti-copy" committee or something? No.
softgrey said:i actually even liked the collection last fall that everyone had so many issues with ...
lemeray said:I think this collection is the worst Marc has ever done.
Caffeine said:how long did Marc struggle and how hard did Marc work to get what he has now? He persisted and didn't change himself to gain success. i am also sure that there must be reasons for some designers to be successful and some not. If I were a truggling artist, I would spend more time working and wait for my moment, and learn how and why some other artists are more successful. I would take other people in a positive way and learn from them, not being so negative and trying to convince myself that the successful ones don't deserve it and I do.
Fashion is not fine art, and the forms are limited by human's body, so there are just so many ideas you can play with. Even in architecture design, you can spot "copies" here and there, but complaining is not the right way to go. Here is why: there are just so many elements to use, and if one element is right for one product, then you can use it.
fashionista-ta said:Caffeine, I think you're right. Marc went out of business several times before he was 25, had a con artist investor at one point, vendor issues, and endless travails. I'm sure many people have been driven from the fashion industry by less. Perhaps one factor (in addition to his own determination and the fact that, gosh darn it, people like him ) may be that he's had unfailing support from Robert Duffy.
lcc123 said:i had no idea he went out of business
Scott said:Honestly,Caffeine,he didn't have to try too hard to get where he is now. Remember he's been pretty popular since the very early 90's when he won that Perry Ellis award. Then he gets LV and turns a different leaf away from his former sportswear aesthetic into something a bit more gimmicky and trend-worthy. It's not that hard to get hyped up in this business either.
But Marc has done this so much in the last years,copying. Seems since his label has grown in business as well as his ego. One clear incident I remember is when he ever-so-blatantly ripped off Walter Van Beirendonck's "æstheticterrorists" signature mask for his Marc line. S/S 04,if I am not mistaken(that's if you want evidence ). And this the kind of slimy dishonesty you defend? He gave absolutely no credit to Walter and it all went without notice from the press...but there was alot of us watchers who immediately did. '
And you know,it isn't just the copying that pisses me off,personally,it's that dishonesty of which it entails.
Bidwell, that is the most pretentious piece of crap I ever heard. And by crap I mean the Marc Jacobs collection. I think what happened here is that Marc was a bit tired, so he had his Chinese communist workers design his collection for him. A tour de force of pure laziness.