US Vogue February 2021 : Kamala Harris by Tyler Mitchell

Can't it be both though?

Look I completely agree with both of you and yes: normally a Fashion magazine should only only be
So in our mind (globally speaking worldwide) we ALL thought, when we used to read Vogue, that we wanted to see glamour, rich women, lots of excess, beautiful imagery, great photography with luxury brands and that unattainable fantasy world that exists in our dreams and in the pages of Vogue and Harper's ; therefore very very very few of us (and I included myself back then) wanted to see a Fashion magazine talk about politicians (somehow this type of coverage was more suited in our minds to Time, The New York Times, Elle, more ''serious'' newspapers) or super strong topics such as diversity, sexual awakenings, and all these serious things that we never associated Vogue with.

However and to me it's the big ''however'', Vogue Italia for me was that voice of super creative high fashion magazine PAIRED WITH strong statements, serious topics and always done in a smart and original way so we as readers can still enjoy Fashion for what it seems (trivial, beautiful, entertaining, a creative world) AND YET to also keep an eye and think about serious topics such as politics or global warming. Do you understand my point? Vogue China also had that ''soul'' that Angelica talked about in several video interviews.

I feel that nowadays Fashion magazines are in a terrible situation:
- many people don't buy them as they used to
- people who should be buying them just repost photos on social media and therefore actually contribute to the decline of such magazines
- Fashion magazines want (or are just forced to) to adapt to the times and get a grip on important matters that shooks our world besides dresses and bags but they are being judged for me very harshly
- when magazines during Pandemic in March 2020 started to continue to talk about fashion as if Covid-19 didn't exist were also treated badly for doing so

Therefore in conclusion it's a catch 22: ''d***** if you do and d***** if you don't''. Vogue tries to care about models diversity in sex, age, race, body type and ALLLLLL what the world at large is throwing at Vogue (and at us too 24/7...) wether it feels genuine or not is not really the point now, but it's up to US as readers and consumers and humans or society pieces to say what we want Fashion magazines to be.

(Matrix movie: ''Pill decision moment'' :lol:)

A/ Do we want Vogue to be more ''serious'' and to tackle difficult topics and to be grounded and to include more people and to be diverse and to be still on the creative side like in the golden good-old days of Vogue Italia under Franca.

OR

B/ Do we just want Vogue for what it used to stand for during 120 years and to just be a trivial, made-for-rich magazine where the main focus is to appear gorgeous and look beautiful in an alternate reality where the world problem don't exist because Vogue for us should be unapologetic FASHION and nothing else like Vogue Paris now.

Type A or B and you might win a free car and :lol::lol::lol:
If I buy AD magazine, I do not expect to see cars, and if I get NY Times, I don't think it's likely I will see nude photos.
Fashion is heavily affected by social, economical and political environment, it's an undeniable fact, however, in my opinion what fashion should do is to absorb what's going on in the world and express it in creative ways, the way Vogue Italia used to do as you mentioned above. I do not need cold facts (sometimes) delivered in a very propagandistic way. I think we can all think and decide for ourselves how to deal with what's happening.
But the truth is magazines (and not only them) do NOT care, they just do this because they feel pressed. It's like Vogue making these series with models, discussing size issue and yet being the one who is a big part of the problem. I think what's happening now is that media is trying to make up for ignoring certain groups of people and minorities and doing the opposite, which feels ingenuine. Every single page would be about plus size, black people, disable people, gay men wearing make-up. I want you to hear me: when your average Joe is not represented at all, it feels you do this inclusion because you want to appear nice and as if you care, it feels forced, it's not when you mix all kinds of people in one magazine. It's becoming absurd. And if we are talking about inclusion, I really want to see women that are older than 30, we still have a lot of work to do with ageism. I don't find 16-20 year old girls relatable, I want to see strong, beautiful, mature women that still have passion for life. Why are they being ignored for the most part?

Another huge issue, which has been touched on in this thread is that everything has to be relatable, everything is relatable and everyone is included. Imagine me in my 30's wanting to become a cosmonaut or a ballerina, because I feel like I should be included, there should be a line here. I also don't want things to be relatable all the time. I believe magazines (and just in general a good thing for all people) should hold us up to a higher standard, and by that I don't mean you have to look 20 in your 40's, you have to be skinny as a needle, no, but I want to see people put effort, try to become better in everything they do. Seeing someone on the street is creased t-shirt with stains and unbrushed hair and stretched out jeans might be relatable, but I don't want this in magazines. I love when people try to do things very well, put their heart and soul into their business instead of just being sloppy and trying to get things done somehow, I love when you see men and woman being dressed nice, I adore when my grandma who is in her early 80's putting on heels, curls her hair and coming out looking so lovely. I want magazines to have inspirations, concepts, but what's happening now is you just tell a photographed person to stand in the corner, throw a piece of fabric, call it styling and be proud how cool and relatable that is. It's one of the reasons fashion has lost its appeal to many people. No one seems to want to be putting effort anymore. If we keep finding self love through excepting ourselves but lose all the healthy self criticism and self doubt, we will degrade really fast. It's like we are all going from one extreme to the other these days.
 
Since I was a little girl one of my favourite things in the world was Vogue magazine :heart:

I applaud ( hear hear) all the above comments & now here is my 2 cents worth …

1. The overall aesthetic is ugly - there is no appeal & therefore no need to buy. I have no problem with diversity but it has to be eye catching or it’s pointless in a visual medium.
2. Vogue has always had social; cultural & political content as well as fashion & beauty. I even remember reading an article on David Duke (b&w full page photo accompanied) in the 90s. Every 20th century First Lady has been featured but no way to Melanie Trump - people may need smelling salts. Over the years I’ve read articles on Betty Ford; Nixon; Kennedy’s galore; Sandra Day O’Conner; RBG; Madeline Albright; Condoleeza Rice; The Reagan’s et al. Vogue allowed its readers to decide - now AW has decided for us just in case … heavens forbid we make up our own mind & like someone The Twitter Mob don’t agree with.
3. Vogue magazine is boring. My everyday suburbanite existence is more exciting. There is no escapism. I may never be able to to wear Chanel couture whilst being in a far away exotic location but boy did I love to look & dream about it.
Every month for the last few years I have hoped for a return to old but no - it’s like a race to the bottom … heart breaking :blush:
 
Since I was a little girl one of my favourite things in the world was Vogue magazine :heart:

I applaud ( hear hear) all the above comments & now here is my 2 cents worth …

1. The overall aesthetic is ugly - there is no appeal & therefore no need to buy. I have no problem with diversity but it has to be eye catching or it’s pointless in a visual medium.
2. Vogue has always had social; cultural & political content as well as fashion & beauty. I even remember reading an article on David Duke (b&w full page photo accompanied) in the 90s. Every 20th century First Lady has been featured but no way to Melanie Trump - people may need smelling salts. Over the years I’ve read articles on Betty Ford; Nixon; Kennedy’s galore; Sandra Day O’Conner; RBG; Madeline Albright; Condoleeza Rice; The Reagan’s et al. Vogue allowed its readers to decide - now AW has decided for us just in case … heavens forbid we make up our own mind & like someone The Twitter Mob don’t agree with.
3. Vogue magazine is boring. My everyday suburbanite existence is more exciting. There is no escapism. I may never be able to to wear Chanel couture whilst being in a far away exotic location but boy did I love to look & dream about it.
Every month for the last few years I have hoped for a return to old but no - it’s like a race to the bottom … heart breaking :blush:

Exactly with what we see on the cover with Kamala. Where's the dream? Where's the glamour that used to represent Vogue? Where's the incredible styling and wealth that most of us don't have but want to see and dream about when we buy Vogue? Where's the powerful-chic-dreamy-out of this world vibe of a woman on location to transport us all???? It's nowhere to be found. Instead we have pieces of fabrics hang in the back + her own clothes and a pair of sneakers. Sorry guys, CAN'T DEFEND THAT! No matter how reliable she wanted to be portrayed or how easy-breathy she is in real life or how cool and approachable Anna Wintour wanted to make her look.

A. NOW if on top of that you add a bad photographer + a shoot done literally in 5 minutes + no editorial whatsoever, then as we say in spanish: ''apaga y vámonos'' (turn the lights off and let's go) :lol::lol::lol: I mean come onnnnnnn. Like, I've read everyone's comments and I see how Twitter destroyed Vogue over this cover but yeah the issue is deeper than this covershoot. It's the whole vibe of the industry where anything and everything goes. We can have diversity of course and we need it and so so so many people have been out of the conversation for decades but the way it's done is silly. It's the same thing with how feminism is being done in movies these days or how the industry wants black or gay people at any cost in every projects. Do it but do it well.

B. I still want Vogue to be something else though than just Fashion. I know many of you hate with a passion to see Vogue tackle politics but I love it ahaha. For me that's how magazines evolve. You bring new readers to the fold, you take an interest on other subjects, you get a broader view of the world besides that one aspect of the world you cover: in this case Fashion. What difference does it make for you if / when Vogue talks about sex like glamour or wars like the NYT or food or whatever? Vogue readers also want to know about other things besides 100 000€ dresses. Vogue readers perhaps don't want to buy 10 newspapers and magazines to know about what's happening these days. On the other hand if National Geographics or Men's health want to talk about heels or oranges lol then why not? If you don't want to read that one piece of article then you move on to the photos.
 
By the way you guys, I find this thread so fantastic and well defended by us all. Wouldn't it be fantastic that THEFASHIONSPOT organize like a Zoom chat with us all and like have conversations like The Business of Fashion??? I would love it to hear you guys speak face to face (well new world style : online with Zoom in our living rooms ahahaha) and defend opinions and stuff. :woot::heart::woot:
 
… at least Donald Deal; Converse & Michael Kors are happy :mrgreen:
 
By the way you guys, I find this thread so fantastic and well defended by us all. Wouldn't it be fantastic that THEFASHIONSPOT organize like a Zoom chat with us all and like have conversations like The Business of Fashion??? I would love it to hear you guys speak face to face (well new world style : online with Zoom in our living rooms ahahaha) and defend opinions and stuff. :woot::heart::woot:

This. Regardless of stance, the points are well-argued. TFS remains a safe place and devoid of Twitter’s mob mentality.
 
US Vogue stopped being relevant since circa 2011 or so. Its been 10 years of bad decisions and a slow decline. Sometimes the most noble thing is to realize to get out at the right time.
 
Judging from various eBay listings and posts on Instagram, this appears to be another wafer-thin issue of American Vogue.
 
I find it somewhat pleasing to read that the print issue is out before the digital version. They must've finally wised up and realise that releasing digital issues first actually hurt newsstand sales.
Of course it means that we'd have to wait to see content in this thread, but it also means that this could be their best selling issues this year and that's a win not only for Vogue but for all the magazine lovers on this forum. At the end of the day, after all the bickering and difference of opinion, all of us WANT print to stay alive. I should think.....

I believe they'll also send the subscriber cover into print for a 2nd run to silence all the critics and that too must mean the demand for this issue is quite high already.

By the way you guys, I find this thread so fantastic and well defended by us all. Wouldn't it be fantastic that THEFASHIONSPOT organize like a Zoom chat with us all and like have conversations like The Business of Fashion??? I would love it to hear you guys speak face to face (well new world style : online with Zoom in our living rooms ahahaha) and defend opinions and stuff. :woot::heart::woot:

Careful what you wish for, I like the sound of my own voice. LOL.
Edit: Eh, you read BoF?!? There already I have a lot to mouth off on, lol.
 
Judging from various eBay listings and posts on Instagram, this appears to be another wafer-thin issue of American Vogue.

It is. I saw it at the supermarket yesterday and it only took me a minute to flip through it. There aren’t even any proper fashion editorials inside, just one long photo feature with different designers. Also, the photos of Kamala Harris look blurry on the cover and inside. A disappointing issue to say the least.
 
probably those The East, The West, etc they posted on the site
enjoy high fashion!

vogue.com
there is also Pivovarova with family at home
 
I find it somewhat pleasing to read that the print issue is out before the digital version. They must've finally wised up and realise that releasing digital issues first actually hurt newsstand sales.
Of course it means that we'd have to wait to see content in this thread, but it also means that this could be their best selling issues this year and that's a win not only for Vogue but for all the magazine lovers on this forum. At the end of the day, after all the bickering and difference of opinion, all of us WANT print to stay alive. I should think.....

I believe they'll also send the subscriber cover into print for a 2nd run to silence all the critics and that too must mean the demand for this issue is quite high already.



Careful what you wish for, I like the sound of my own voice. LOL.
Edit: Eh, you read BoF?!? There already I have a lot to mouth off on, lol.
Mouth it off please
 
It is like the entire global (fashion) population is suffering from a schizophrenic breakdown.

Mediocrity is the price we have to pay for including any and everyone into everything, regardless of innate talent and ability. As long as diversity, not merit (in any field, not just fashion), will be the end goal, and not just a means to an end, this dangerous delusion will continue to grow stronger.

No matter how Wintour tries to spin this recent debacle, Vogue by its very nature is politically incorrect. It is interesting that the one positive quality most people ascribe to her persona, her business acumen, has become her downfall. Wintour is so blinded by profit margins, that she cannot see what irreparable damage she has done to Vogue as an institution.

When you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no-one...
"No matter how Wintour tries to spin this recent debacle, Vogue by its very nature is politically incorrect. It is interesting that the one positive quality most people ascribe to her persona, her business acumen, has become her downfall. Wintour is so blinded by profit margins, that she cannot see what irreparable damage she has done to Vogue as an institution."

-Sadly its poetic isn't it?
 
I find it somewhat pleasing to read that the print issue is out before the digital version. They must've finally wised up and realise that releasing digital issues first actually hurt newsstand sales.
Of course it means that we'd have to wait to see content in this thread, but it also means that this could be their best selling issues this year and that's a win not only for Vogue but for all the magazine lovers on this forum. At the end of the day, after all the bickering and difference of opinion, all of us WANT print to stay alive. I should think.....

I believe they'll also send the subscriber cover into print for a 2nd run to silence all the critics and that too must mean the demand for this issue is quite high already.

Careful what you wish for, I like the sound of my own voice. LOL.
Edit: Eh, you read BoF?!? There already I have a lot to mouth off on, lol.

I used to read their articles when it was still free ahaha but I LOVE LOVE LOVE their videos ''Voices'' when they have these hour-long conversations with people from the Fashion industry. And I thought, wouldn't it be fantastic to have an online TheFashionSpot ''Voice'' moment? ahaha but it might be hard to get done and so on but yeah nevertheless I actually always enjoy reading you guys' POV about magazines, I almost even enjoy these talks more than the actual magazines ahahah. I said ''almost'' :lol::lol::lol:
 
This discussion is wonderful.

I went a bit over the likes because I'm fascinated by the quality. There's a lot of content here.

If AW was smart she would edit that thread and make a special Vogue notebook.
 
This discussion is wonderful.

I went a bit over the likes because I'm fascinated by the quality. There's a lot of content here.

If AW was smart she would edit that thread and make a special Vogue notebook.

Imagine she is reading us right now...HI ANNA! Lol

One of her assitants should print this thread for her so she can highlight the best free advice we are giving to her...
 
I find it somewhat pleasing to read that the print issue is out before the digital version. They must've finally wised up and realise that releasing digital issues first actually hurt newsstand sales.
Of course it means that we'd have to wait to see content in this thread, but it also means that this could be their best selling issues this year and that's a win not only for Vogue but for all the magazine lovers on this forum. At the end of the day, after all the bickering and difference of opinion, all of us WANT print to stay alive. I should think.....

I believe they'll also send the subscriber cover into print for a 2nd run to silence all the critics and that too must mean the demand for this issue is quite high already.



Careful what you wish for, I like the sound of my own voice. LOL.
Edit: Eh, you read BoF?!? There already I have a lot to mouth off on, lol.

Yeah, that is a good strategy to make the print issue perform better. Two things they need to do is to lower the price specially as those issues comes a thin as air...how do they expect to pay so much for so little. And the other thing is not to share all the pictures from the print issue. Keep a little mistery and something that makes someone to buy the print magazine.
 
This discussion is wonderful.

I went a bit over the likes because I'm fascinated by the quality. There's a lot of content here.

If AW was smart she would edit that thread and make a special Vogue notebook.
Vogue notebook?
 
Review? Prints? Im curious AF to read the Kamala article
 

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