US Vogue September 2020 by Jordan Casteel & Kerry James Marshall

[chanelh]

Anna Wintour is such a phoney...
Of course She doesn't care black community, why would she, only when it threats her status as the Pope of fashion, she goes on full power to save her a**

 

[TZ001]

When Anna doesn't put black people on the cover, people say that she's a racist. When Anna put black people on the cover, people say that she's a phony. Poor Anna.

 

[avonlea002]

Protective Measures
Photographer: Stefan Ruiz
Stylist: Alexandra Gurvitch
Cast: Paloma Elsesser, Jordan Daniels, Eniola Abioro, Indira Scott, Tess McMillan, Ugbad Abdi, Ariel Nicholson, Xiao Wen Ju

igifer

 

[[Piece Of Me]]

Or any posts with Edward Enninful or Virgil... and the recent Elle thread with Cardi. Members here claim they dislike fake/woke diversity or inclusivity but they were pretty silent over the last decades of white models and actresses on fashion media.

Cant wait to get this, first September issue I’ll buy since 2015 with Beyoncé.

Absolutely. The comments here are sometimes quite shocking, I always thought this was a progressive and open-minded forum but people are really showing their true colours in recent times.

 

[SRank]

This issue is a standard Vogue USA issue, it looks like every other one from the past months. So kudos for the team? lol

It's kinda unfair to compare Ana's work to Alt's imo. American Vogue is much more of a magazine of celebrity/pop culture through the lens of fashion than a fashion magazine in it's core, this issue is just a progression from the changes that were championed by Wintour.

Happy to see Alek, delightful and gorgeous as usual.

 

[BlueRuin]

Everything in this issue is relevant, nice, and diverse. But the imagery just isn’t really wow. I won’t remember any of these stories next month.

 

[MON]

What Anna should have done is:

1. Aurora James by Tyler Mitchell (cover 1); and
2. The Tyler Mitchell photograph recreated, painted, and reimagined by Jordan Casteel (cover 2)

Its a win win! We'll get our ordinary September cover, while they get praise for the initiative

 

[Lucien112]

We beg for something different and interesting and then we get it and it's still not enough. I'm looking forward to buying this at the newsstand.

 

[vavavinny]

The "Protective Measures" story looks like something that would've ran in U.S. Glamour back in the day when it was still printed as a magazine.

 

[PowerDroid]

I see what you did there, adding in the word SCARLET to push your narrative, I dont remember seeing anyone demanding for her to be on the cover matter of fact many here are fed up of the same group of actresses and singers featured on every issue. Many of the complaints are not about change happening, they are about mediocre content on a cover. Black models have been the third class of the industry for years with many designers and casting directors un apologetically choosing not to hire them in some instances because they felt like they made their clothes cheap. Despite that hostile enviromnent many have worked hard and gotten to iconic level but are always shunned for the current black model of the moment because the industry can only tolerate having 3-7 black models at a time. The reason many of us are complaining is because black models deserve to be on a September cover of Vogue not as tokens in a group shot but fully appreciated for what they have achieved since September issue of Vogue is the most important FASHION issue. There's nothing tone deaf about saying that you dont like a cover, art is subjective and the same words have been used when it comes to cover subjects of all races. Also bringing in the Covid death rate doesnt make sense because Anna Wintour is not the surgeon general or Dr. Fauci and neither are the people posting on the thread, her job is to encourage people to be cautious and safe while she also does her job as an editor of a major fashion publication.

What I did was referencing somebody that was actually asking for Scarlett Johannson or Charlize Theron to be on the cover of the magazine and the fact that I misspelled Scarlett's name doesn't change the senses of what I wrote.

I expressed my opinion on how some of the comments felt harsh, futile and petulant in criticizing both the artwork and the choice of the magazine to use fine art VS photography for the current cover, possibly a creative decision forced by the fact that the country has been plunged into a health crisis that we haven't faced in generations, that has literally halted the industry for weeks if not months.
The September cover of Vogue US is undoubtedly the result of all the currents events that are affecting our county. So, yes, bringing Covid19 into the conversation totally makes sense, unless you can't grasp the idea that this virus has totally disrupted the way magazines have produced their content for the past few months. And when I say disrupted, I mean literal cancellation of shoots that were 90% pre produced.

It just happens that this country has the highest number of deaths and infections in the WORLD, and to think that someone like Mikael Jannson, who lives in Stockholm for most of the year, could just waltz in at LAX and say, 'I'm here, ready to shot your cover', when most US cities, including NY and LA, were in a lockdown and a Presidential Proclamation forbidding international travel in effect, it's just risible and detached from reality (in my opinion). Not to mention the fact that most celebrities and models were suddenly unavailable for shoots anyway.

We are grappling with extraordinary circumstances here, and this should promote some extra thoughtfulness in judging other people's work and decision making under considerable amount of pressure and stress. I was reacting to the 'I hate this crap' sort of attitude, because it made me immediately wonder, 'Do they realize what is going on here?'? So, yes, I perceived some of the comments as tone-deaf.

If Anna Wintour came to the conclusion that she couldn't deliver photography matching her standards for this cover, then I trust her decision. And who knows, maybe it was just a creative decision, she did have a cover for September and shifted it to October to promote the paintings idea. Maybe she did not feel like a celebrity on the cover would be appropriate considering all that is going on this country.

As for the rest of your comment, American Vogue doesn't do models on the cover. Tyler Mitchell's April 2020 cover was the first in years without a celebrity, unless Gisele and Kendall can still be consider models of course .
Until the magazine changes the reasoning behind the selection of the cover subjects, getting all riled up about not seeing black models on the cover feels a bit disingenuous. This pertains to a larger editorial approach that the magazine took years ago, to go all in and promote celebrity culture for the sake of supporting sales and advertising revenues.
Would I like to see models on the cover of Vogue ? Sure, I'd like to see models, celebrities, politicians, whatever is relevant and important to push forward culture and ideas that enrich and inform people's lives. Do I think this particular society would respond to that? Not sure.

 

[caioherrero]

The Custom of the Country Is so beautiful

 

[TZ001]

There are also many interviews in this issue, including the headline "100 Voices on the Future of Fashion".

 

[Summer Day]

What I did was referencing somebody that was actually asking for Scarlett Johannson or Charlize Theron to be on the cover of the magazine and the fact that I misspelled Scarlett's name doesn't change the senses of what I wrote.

I expressed my opinion on how some of the comments felt harsh, futile and petulant in criticizing both the artwork and the choice of the magazine to use fine art VS photography for the current cover, possibly a creative decision forced by the fact that the country has been plunged into a health crisis that we haven't faced in generations, that has literally halted the industry for weeks if not months.
The September cover of Vogue US is undoubtedly the result of all the currents events that are affecting our county. So, yes, bringing Covid19 into the conversation totally makes sense, unless you can't grasp the idea that this virus has totally disrupted the way magazines have produced their content for the past few months. And when I say disrupted, I mean literal cancellation of shoots that were 90% pre produced.

It just happens that this country has the highest number of deaths and infections in the WORLD, and to think that someone like Mikael Jannson, who lives in Stockholm for most of the year, could just waltz in at LAX and say, 'I'm here, ready to shot your cover', when most US cities, including NY and LA, were in a lockdown and a Presidential Proclamation forbidding international travel in effect, it's just risible and detached from reality (in my opinion). Not to mention the fact that most celebrities and models were suddenly unavailable for shoots anyway.

We are grappling with extraordinary circumstances here, and this should promote some extra thoughtfulness in judging other people's work and decision making under considerable amount of pressure and stress. I was reacting to the 'I hate this crap' sort of attitude, because it made me immediately wonder, 'Do they realize what is going on here?'? So, yes, I perceived some of the comments as tone-deaf.

If Anna Wintour came to the conclusion that she couldn't deliver photography matching her standards for this cover, then I trust her decision. And who knows, maybe it was just a creative decision, she did have a cover for September and shifted it to October to promote the paintings idea. Maybe she did not feel like a celebrity on the cover would be appropriate considering all that is going on this country.

As for the rest of your comment, American Vogue doesn't do models on the cover. Tyler Mitchell's April 2020 cover was the first in years without a celebrity, unless Gisele and Kendall can still be consider models of course .
Until the magazine changes the reasoning behind the selection of the cover subjects, getting all riled up about not seeing black models on the cover feels a bit disingenuous. This pertains to a larger editorial approach that the magazine took years ago, to go all in and promote celebrity culture for the sake of supporting sales and advertising revenues.
Would I like to see models on the cover of Vogue ? Sure, I'd like to see models, celebrities, politicians, whatever is relevant and important to push forward culture and ideas that enrich and inform people's lives. Do I think this particular society would respond to that? Not sure.

Continue to read the girls! You're making alot of great points, but the rebuttal will continue to be but Alt produced a well executed issue last month.

 

[San Marco]

Judging by the cover, this magazine dosen’t seem to be aimed even at this Gen Z. It’s Children by now, how it looks.

Right under the motto, let’s raise them from an early age to readers. And what better start can there be, than with children picture books.

As for the editorials, they are the clear winner in the category: fastest scrolling in a thread.

Everything screams on: approval, budget-problems, desperation, irrelevance etc.

 

[lucy92]

If this is 320 pages than Anna has pulled off a coup with skittish advertisers and should be commended.

 

[Serend1pity]

This forum is full of moany people the cover is innovative and cool and unfortunately if you are older than millennial it’s not geared to you anywau

 

[tigerrouge]

Consumers get to have an opinion on a commercial product. That opinion may be less than well-informed or entirely contrary to the one we hold ourselves - but people still get to have it.

And as much as I love fashion magazines for the fantasies they've provided over the years, in the end, stripped to the bone, Vogue is just a vehicle that needs to demonstrate a return of some sort to their advertisers in order to keep existing. Their agenda is not to bring about social change, but they're not beyond pretending they're at the forefront of it, if they can rinse more sales out of making the right noises.

The time to make a real difference was twenty years ago, when Vogue would truly have been setting an example.

Will I buy this issue? Probably not. Is it because I'm a racist? No, it's because the main newsagent in my town closed the other month, and I have to order foreign mags on the internet now, which drastically cuts down on purchases.

And people have been whinging about the content of US Vogue for over a decade - each new issue wasn't getting automatically applauded for existing prior to the present time. What's happening now, when people wish for Scarlett Johansson, is nostalgia for the days when magazines didn't feel like dinosaurs lumbering towards their extinction.

(Given that my golden era of magazines was back in 1991, I've been seeing magazines through a prism of eternal disappointment for the past thirty years.)

 

[Deleted member 1957]

What I did was referencing somebody that was actually asking for Scarlett Johannson or Charlize Theron to be on the cover of the magazine and the fact that I misspelled Scarlett's name doesn't change the senses of what I wrote.

I expressed my opinion on how some of the comments felt harsh, futile and petulant in criticizing both the artwork and the choice of the magazine to use fine art VS photography for the current cover, possibly a creative decision forced by the fact that the country has been plunged into a health crisis that we haven't faced in generations, that has literally halted the industry for weeks if not months.
The September cover of Vogue US is undoubtedly the result of all the currents events that are affecting our county. So, yes, bringing Covid19 into the conversation totally makes sense, unless you can't grasp the idea that this virus has totally disrupted the way magazines have produced their content for the past few months. And when I say disrupted, I mean literal cancellation of shoots that were 90% pre produced.

It just happens that this country has the highest number of deaths and infections in the WORLD, and to think that someone like Mikael Jannson, who lives in Stockholm for most of the year, could just waltz in at LAX and say, 'I'm here, ready to shot your cover', when most US cities, including NY and LA, were in a lockdown and a Presidential Proclamation forbidding international travel in effect, it's just risible and detached from reality (in my opinion). Not to mention the fact that most celebrities and models were suddenly unavailable for shoots anyway.

We are grappling with extraordinary circumstances here, and this should promote some extra thoughtfulness in judging other people's work and decision making under considerable amount of pressure and stress. I was reacting to the 'I hate this crap' sort of attitude, because it made me immediately wonder, 'Do they realize what is going on here?'? So, yes, I perceived some of the comments as tone-deaf.

If Anna Wintour came to the conclusion that she couldn't deliver photography matching her standards for this cover, then I trust her decision. And who knows, maybe it was just a creative decision, she did have a cover for September and shifted it to October to promote the paintings idea. Maybe she did not feel like a celebrity on the cover would be appropriate considering all that is going on this country.

As for the rest of your comment, American Vogue doesn't do models on the cover. Tyler Mitchell's April 2020 cover was the first in years without a celebrity, unless Gisele and Kendall can still be consider models of course .
Until the magazine changes the reasoning behind the selection of the cover subjects, getting all riled up about not seeing black models on the cover feels a bit disingenuous. This pertains to a larger editorial approach that the magazine took years ago, to go all in and promote celebrity culture for the sake of supporting sales and advertising revenues.
Would I like to see models on the cover of Vogue ? Sure, I'd like to see models, celebrities, politicians, whatever is relevant and important to push forward culture and ideas that enrich and inform people's lives. Do I think this particular society would respond to that? Not sure.

Your post said people are, you didn't say someone is. It made it sound like the majority were demanding for Scarlet (a white actress) to be on the cover instead of paintings of black women by black talent which changes the narrative. What am trying to tell you is many of us hate it because it just doesn't look nice, nothing deep. Lets stop pretending that Conde Nast is a struggling small business that doesn't have the resources to create good content simply because there us a crisis. Many of the clothes and accessories featured in the publication can buy PPE an for an entire hospital so that argument simply doesn't cut it. They have Alek Wek and Adut in the country side meaning they can get anyone anywhere they want. If having an opinion on art is considered tone deaf then why are we even here? We should all go to Instagram and twitter and pretend that we like everything so long as our favourite celebrity is featured.

You also said

"As for the rest of your comment, American Vogue doesn't do models on the cover. Tyler Mitchell's April 2020 cover was the first in years without a celebrity, unless Gisele and Kendall can still be consider models of course .
Until the magazine changes the reasoning behind the selection of the cover subjects, getting all riled up about not seeing black models on the cover feels a bit disingenuous. This pertains to a larger editorial approach that the magazine took years ago, to go all in and promote celebrity culture for the sake of supporting sales and advertising revenues.
"Would I like to see models on the cover of Vogue ? Sure, I'd like to see models, celebrities, politicians, whatever is relevant and important to push forward culture and ideas that enrich and inform people's lives. Do I think this particular society would respond to that?

If they can put a painting of an unknown person on the cover am sure group shot of some of the most successful black models can have just as much punch hell it could even be a painting just one that's better than the one featured. Also September 2011 and 2014 had models on the cover. The problem with making wokeness boring is that people will lose interest in the cause and forget it pretty fast. Creatives have a job to use their creativity to bring about social change. One would think that they learnt from the Vogue cover challenge which showed them just how diverse black talent is globally. There are all sorts of black creatives with very diverse aesthetics just that the industry is not making that much effort to find them. That said, we both have every right to appreciate the cover in our own ways if you like it well and good if I don't also well and good, that's the beauty of art.

 

[Deleted member 1957]

This forum is full of moany people the cover is innovative and cool and unfortunately if you are older than millennial it’s not geared to you anywau

You mean the ones that don't buy print publications?

 

[Flamingjune]

Can someone tell me why some of the adverts in prints are not in the digital version? I went back to the last September issue noticed when I looked at the digital issue and the print itself, some brands were excluded from digital. For example Chanel, Dior and Fendi were in print but not digital. Just curious. Thank you

I noticed it is the same with this issue. A lot of ads in the print are not appearing in the digital version that was just released today. Which means they have more ads than we are seeing in digital.