US Vogue September 2020 by Jordan Casteel & Kerry James Marshall

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  1. chanelh

    chanelh Well-Known Member

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    Anna Wintour is such a phoney...
    Of course She doesn't care black community, why would she, only when it threats her status as the Pope of fashion, she goes on full power to save her a**
     
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    When Anna doesn't put black people on the cover, people say that she's a racist. When Anna put black people on the cover, people say that she's a phony. Poor Anna.
     
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  4. [Piece Of Me]

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    Absolutely. The comments here are sometimes quite shocking, I always thought this was a progressive and open-minded forum but people are really showing their true colours in recent times.
     
  5. SRank

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    This issue is a standard Vogue USA issue, it looks like every other one from the past months. So kudos for the team? lol

    It's kinda unfair to compare Ana's work to Alt's imo. American Vogue is much more of a magazine of celebrity/pop culture through the lens of fashion than a fashion magazine in it's core, this issue is just a progression from the changes that were championed by Wintour.

    Happy to see Alek, delightful and gorgeous as usual.
     
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  6. BlueRuin

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    Everything in this issue is relevant, nice, and diverse. But the imagery just isn’t really wow. I won’t remember any of these stories next month.
     
  7. MON

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    What Anna should have done is:

    1. Aurora James by Tyler Mitchell (cover 1); and
    2. The Tyler Mitchell photograph recreated, painted, and reimagined by Jordan Casteel (cover 2)

    Its a win win! We'll get our ordinary September cover, while they get praise for the initiative
     
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  8. Lucien112

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    We beg for something different and interesting and then we get it and it's still not enough. I'm looking forward to buying this at the newsstand.
     
  9. Will Ross

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    Taking race out of it for a second and from just a general perspective it’s a really tacky and lifeless issue. On the subject of racial identities, It’s extremely obvious the whole goal is to earn money off looking woke. The fact the heads of the mag are still all rich white and waspy it’s unsurprisingly the way they essentially paraded the idea we aren’t problematic now look at all of the non white people we hired this time. It’s a one click done checklist thing for them. And add that they chose some extremely mediocre talent to fulfill this is predictable and cringeworthy. Until they continue to show actual change at the magazine not in some editorials, we are doomed to see the POC fashion view through the lens of a out of touch white woman.

    It saddens me to see people blindly go omg yass Vogue you’re doing it like you did with Beyoncé/Tyler when it’s completely obvious it’s for optics/sales and little change has actually occurred internally to diversify.
     
  10. vavavinny

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    The "Protective Measures" story looks like something that would've ran in U.S. Glamour back in the day when it was still printed as a magazine.
     
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  11. PowerDroid

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    What I did was referencing somebody that was actually asking for Scarlett Johannson or Charlize Theron to be on the cover of the magazine and the fact that I misspelled Scarlett's name doesn't change the senses of what I wrote.

    I expressed my opinion on how some of the comments felt harsh, futile and petulant in criticizing both the artwork and the choice of the magazine to use fine art VS photography for the current cover, possibly a creative decision forced by the fact that the country has been plunged into a health crisis that we haven't faced in generations, that has literally halted the industry for weeks if not months.
    The September cover of Vogue US is undoubtedly the result of all the currents events that are affecting our county. So, yes, bringing Covid19 into the conversation totally makes sense, unless you can't grasp the idea that this virus has totally disrupted the way magazines have produced their content for the past few months. And when I say disrupted, I mean literal cancellation of shoots that were 90% pre produced.

    It just happens that this country has the highest number of deaths and infections in the WORLD, and to think that someone like Mikael Jannson, who lives in Stockholm for most of the year, could just waltz in at LAX and say, 'I'm here, ready to shot your cover', when most US cities, including NY and LA, were in a lockdown and a Presidential Proclamation forbidding international travel in effect, it's just risible and detached from reality (in my opinion). Not to mention the fact that most celebrities and models were suddenly unavailable for shoots anyway.

    We are grappling with extraordinary circumstances here, and this should promote some extra thoughtfulness in judging other people's work and decision making under considerable amount of pressure and stress. I was reacting to the 'I hate this crap' sort of attitude, because it made me immediately wonder, 'Do they realize what is going on here?'? So, yes, I perceived some of the comments as tone-deaf.

    If Anna Wintour came to the conclusion that she couldn't deliver photography matching her standards for this cover, then I trust her decision. And who knows, maybe it was just a creative decision, she did have a cover for September and shifted it to October to promote the paintings idea. Maybe she did not feel like a celebrity on the cover would be appropriate considering all that is going on this country.

    As for the rest of your comment, American Vogue doesn't do models on the cover. Tyler Mitchell's April 2020 cover was the first in years without a celebrity, unless Gisele and Kendall can still be consider models of course .
    Until the magazine changes the reasoning behind the selection of the cover subjects, getting all riled up about not seeing black models on the cover feels a bit disingenuous. This pertains to a larger editorial approach that the magazine took years ago, to go all in and promote celebrity culture for the sake of supporting sales and advertising revenues.
    Would I like to see models on the cover of Vogue ? Sure, I'd like to see models, celebrities, politicians, whatever is relevant and important to push forward culture and ideas that enrich and inform people's lives. Do I think this particular society would respond to that? Not sure.
     
  12. BlueRuin

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    I second this! Its all performative... but if you're going to be performative at least make it looks outstanding and it looks lackluster.
     
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    The Custom of the Country Is so beautiful
     
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    There are also many interviews in this issue, including the headline "100 Voices on the Future of Fashion".
     
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    Continue to read the girls! You're making alot of great points, but the rebuttal will continue to be but Alt produced a well executed issue last month.
     
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  16. San Marco

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    Judging by the cover, this magazine dosen’t seem to be aimed even at this Gen Z. It’s Children by now, how it looks.

    Right under the motto, let’s raise them from an early age to readers. And what better start can there be, than with children picture books.

    As for the editorials, they are the clear winner in the category: fastest scrolling in a thread.

    Everything screams on: approval, budget-problems, desperation, irrelevance etc.
     
  17. lucy92

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    If this is 320 pages than Anna has pulled off a coup with skittish advertisers and should be commended.
     
  18. Serend1pity

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    This forum is full of moany people the cover is innovative and cool and unfortunately if you are older than millennial it’s not geared to you anywau
     
  19. Will Ross

    Will Ross Well-Known Member

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    I’m a millennial and I didn’t like it so I would watch your sweeping AND ageist commentary “new member” ;-)
     
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  20. tigerrouge

    tigerrouge don't look down

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    Consumers get to have an opinion on a commercial product. That opinion may be less than well-informed or entirely contrary to the one we hold ourselves - but people still get to have it.

    And as much as I love fashion magazines for the fantasies they've provided over the years, in the end, stripped to the bone, Vogue is just a vehicle that needs to demonstrate a return of some sort to their advertisers in order to keep existing. Their agenda is not to bring about social change, but they're not beyond pretending they're at the forefront of it, if they can rinse more sales out of making the right noises.

    The time to make a real difference was twenty years ago, when Vogue would truly have been setting an example.

    Will I buy this issue? Probably not. Is it because I'm a racist? No, it's because the main newsagent in my town closed the other month, and I have to order foreign mags on the internet now, which drastically cuts down on purchases.

    And people have been whinging about the content of US Vogue for over a decade - each new issue wasn't getting automatically applauded for existing prior to the present time. What's happening now, when people wish for Scarlett Johansson, is nostalgia for the days when magazines didn't feel like dinosaurs lumbering towards their extinction.

    (Given that my golden era of magazines was back in 1991, I've been seeing magazines through a prism of eternal disappointment for the past thirty years.)
     

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