Christian Dior Haute Couture S/S 2004 Paris

[Lena]

Originally posted by mikeijames@Jan 20th, 2004 - 6:49 pm
I completely disagree. Dare I say it, I believe this is one of the best collections of Dior couture period. I think you can hold up these clothes with some of the work of Christian Dior himself. The craftmanship and detailing are obvious even to an untrained eye, but the innovation. WHO is doing Egyptian fashion right now? No one is even gesturing toward anything NEAR egyptian influences. And those gowns were couture gowns. Those were grand ball gowns or gowns you go to meet royalty in. Sure you had a Golden Globe or Oscar frock dancing about in there, but this collection spoke on so many different levels. And it is rare in today's couture for museum quality dresses to be turned out in such numbers.

agree with mikejames here, i'm not a Galliano fan but it sure is one of his very best ever for dior couture, its a real brave couture collection.

 

[Alejandro]

Aye Aye again, I adored the makeup

 

[Meg]

Some of the later pictures that Lena posted I adore. i am gradually warming up to this collection the more I read about it and talk about it. We shall we what my final judgement will be B)

 

[Reece]

This is the best thing I'v seen in a while, it's just amazimg.

 

[Alejandro]

I find this absolutely stunning

 

[trean]

Amazing piece!
Weren't the playing 'Baby Boy' from Beyoncè on the runway ?

The models could barely walk !

 

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by trean@Jan 20th, 2004 - 3:07 pm
Amazing piece!
Weren't the playing 'Baby Boy' from Beyoncè on the runway ?

I don't know, Im dying for Dior.com to update their videos

 

[brian]

Originally posted by chanel_girl@Jan 20th, 2004 - 4:43 am
I've tried this very extravagant piece on....it was VERY heavy

OMG you rule.....

Where did you try it on?

 

[chanel_girl]

The dior HQ in paris I only got to try it on because my husband is the couture sales team manager

 

[tott]

Originally posted by chanel_girl@Jan 20th, 2004 - 11:43 am
I've tried this very extravagant piece on....it was VERY heavy

They are heavy...

That's one of the reasons you should get heavy garments custom made if possible... If the piece is tailored to you and the weight is properly distributed you will only feel a slight pressure instead of constant pain!

 

[brian]

Originally posted by chanel_girl@Jan 20th, 2004 - 5:18 pm
The dior HQ in paris I only got to try it on because my husband is the couture sales team manager

Wow!!

 

[xclusive]

...BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Erzébeth]

Originally posted by chanel_girl@Jan 20th, 2004 - 6:18 pm
The dior HQ in paris I only got to try it on because my husband is the couture sales team manager

i am so jealous of you both B)
what did your husband study and how did he get that job? please tell me! thanks! i want to work in couture..

 

[ignitioned32]

Originally posted by mikeijames+Jan 20th, 2004 - 10:49 am--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mikeijames @ Jan 20th, 2004 - 10:49 am)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-ignitioned32@Jan 20th, 2004 - 8:58 am
Sorry to be the party pooper .. but if I had to describe this collection in one word it would be CONTRIVED. I mean take a look at almost all the pieces they all came directly from what the Egyptians wore (I mean where's the touch? ). Though he added some with modern day wear (suits, etc.) but you can say that's hardly innovative. The only touches I thought was brilliant was the hot grey suit (very innovative, I thought, mixing mummy bondage with a suit for today) and the mummy evening dresses (nice mix of mummy bodage and eveningwear), the details ofcourse and some gowns.

Rating: 6.0 (Out of 10); Has it's moments, but isn't strong.

I completely disagree. Dare I say it, I believe this is one of the best collections of Dior couture period. I think you can hold up these clothes with some of the work of Christian Dior himself. The craftmanship and detailing are obvious even to an untrained eye, but the innovation. WHO is doing Egyptian fashion right now? No one is even gesturing toward anything NEAR egyptian influences. And those gowns were couture gowns. Those were grand ball gowns or gowns you go to meet royalty in. Sure you had a Golden Globe or Oscar frock dancing about in there, but this collection spoke on so many different levels. And it is rare in today's couture for museum quality dresses to be turned out in such numbers. We will be talking about this collection for years to come. [/b][/quote]
Yes no one is doing Egyptian today, but as if that's innovative. I mean, seriously, where is the innovation? Almost all the outfits see to come directly from a museum (just like his Dior HC S/S '03 collection). And daring? I don't think it's daring for Galliano. I think it's accepted, stuff like that coming from Galliano but I don't see him back it up unlike (really) past brilliant collections. He just thinks it will be okay for us.

And the gowns were so weak IMO. Egyptian on top, then tried to make it "modern" by putting a big *** ball skirt (and tried to fit it in with this over the top collection ).

 

[ignitioned32]

I also want to add Egyptian is nothing new to fashion. Lots of indie/underground designers did it for the past seasons.

 

[metal-on-metal]

The more I look at these pictures, the more I have to agree with igni.

It's shows like this that make couture a relic from the past. It's an industry that has been on life support for decades now and this collection is just another nail in the coffin, I think. Modern couture should strive to be original, fantastic, but at the same time somewhat remotely wearable and down-to-earth. It surely takes my breath away at the fantasy and craftsmanship, but on a deeper level, I think it fails.

And, actually, Marc Jacobs had a touch of Cleopatra influence for his s/s 04 Vuitton show.

 

[mikeijames]

Originally posted by chickonspeed@Jan 21st, 2004 - 11:30 am
The more I look at these pictures, the more I have to agree with igni.

It's shows like this that make couture a relic from the past. It's an industry that has been on life support for decades now and this collection is just another nail in the coffin, I think. Modern couture should strive to be original, fantastic, but at the same time somewhat remotely wearable and down-to-earth. It surely takes my breath away at the fantasy and craftsmanship, but on a deeper level, I think it fails.

And, actually, Marc Jacobs had a touch of Cleopatra influence for his s/s 04 Vuitton show.

i don't think we will be able to gauge how wearable these gowns are until the season gets in full swing. there is a possibility that some celebs may don these dresses to the award shows, but the true test will be to see if the women of a certain class order and wear them.

and while marc may have had a larger cleopatra influence, this is a definite spectacular when it comes to that theme (remember how many people did obvious marlene dietrich or how many people jumped on the fifties train?) no designer exists in a vacuum and there's nothing *truly* new in fashion. one can only strive to maintain one's individuality (which this show is truly singular in its attempts) and keep one's ideas fresh and relevant (which we shall see).

but i am impressed, i had forgotten about vuitton (which i also in loved!)...touche

 

[lele]

costumes...not couture just my (minority) opinion.

who would wear?
where would they wear it?
how could the see with the headpiece.

 

[metal-on-metal]

Originally posted by lele@Jan 21st, 2004 - 1:40 pm
who would wear?
where would they wear it?
how could the see with the headpiece.

Well this is always the controversy with John. And he always reminds us that his clothes need to be taken off the catwalk and viewed without the drama and the makeup and the hair and presentation. But even if you place these clothes in a likely setting, they can't work. It's just so far out there in Galliano's realm that it can never come back to earth. Don't get me wrong, I respect the work and the craft and all the fantasy and imagination that must've gone into this. But at the end of the day, these clothes will be standing cold and lifeless in a museum rather than being worn and enjoyed. Is this the purpose of couture?

 

[PrinceOfCats]

Like I said in the Givenchy thread: the more unwearable his couture gets the more RTW John sells. Maybe his thinking is thus: 'I'm not making any real money out of couture so I just do what I like with it, people see this fantastic vision and they want a diluted version so they buy my RTW'...maybe he sees couture as more of a showcase for his skills than something that is actually meant to be worn...