Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[dodencebt]

Okay, she is completely out of it. So creepy with the smiling again.

https://twitter.com/GMA/status/924964325730566144

 

[Benn98]

Okay, she is completely out of it. So creepy with the smiling again.

Totally!

One can tell she's one of those old school fake fashion people. A disingenuous smile for literally a few seconds, then it instantly disappears.

Robin is a very handsome woman though....

 

[tapenerd]

I couldn’t get past the first few seconds because I wanted to slap all of those smiles off her face.

 

[Benn98]

I couldn’t get past the first few seconds because I wanted to slap all of those smiles off her face.

How about the crazy eyes at 1:50 ish, lol

 

[modelista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-Jill-Kargman-fight-NYC-Halloween-party.html

 

[fashionkitten7]

Lonneke Engel posted this on her IG on October 20th.

lonnekeengelPersonal Story: I saw the story of @sarasampaio and recall experiencing the same thing with the dutch Elle.They published a nude cover and inside picture without my approval even when it was one of the conditions I accepted the job. It was a cover shot by Marc De Groot that was inspired by an English Vogue cover with Natalie Vodianova shot by Mario Testino. It was supposed to be a body & health issue. That example looked innocent and beautiful. I decided to do this shoot. The pose they chose in the end was nothing like that inspiration. It was an in-between poses shot. I felt comfortable at the time of the shoot to pose nude as I was told my private parts would be completely covered and it wouldn't be a sensual or sexual image. The final picture they used, the placement and wording on the cover were vulgar and sexual. Inside they published it without any text! I asked my agent why we did not hear from Elle about the cover to approve it. When my agent at the time Mo Karadag and Sarah Keller from Paparazzi models checked it was already printed. They said they couldn't do anything for me then (afraid to ruin a relationship with a client?) When I saw the result I was sick to my stomach.It was not what I agreed to,I felt violated. I vowed never to work with Elle NL or this editor in chief: Cecile Narinx.Through Esther Coppoolse they said they were sorry I felt that way. I asked my lawyer to represent me in this matter and he told Elle to do something. It was hard to see myself in all the news stores on the cover like that. Instead of fixing it, they searched the internet to try to find a nude picture of me to prove I do it all the time. Which is a big lie. Even if I did it in the past it doesn't give them the right to violate our agreement. I felt humiliated not only by the result and them not honoring our agreement, but also by their subsequential response, which felt even more upsetting as they were women who you would think would act a different way. This experience changed me. (P.s.above pict is how I feel about it. It was for Elle USA, by Gilles Bensimon. Also an in-between shot, but a fun one! Elle USA has always been respectful) #myjobshouldnotincludeabuse

 

[Benn98]

Pretty sure this is the cover she's referring to:


VS Natalia's UK Vogue cover used as inspiration:


Source: Fashionmodeldirectory.com & Voguescover.blogspot.com

 

[Deleted member 119799]

Pretty sure this is the cover she's referring to

after reading how she feels about this cover you decide to post it? nice

 

[Benn98]

after reading how she feels about this cover you decide to post it? nice

Are you quite serious with this preposterous question?

 

[dsamg]

Sorry if this offends anyone but I am finding it hard to be angry at Lonneke's experience. She was posing nude completely consenually, by her own account. She also says she was told the cover would be inspired by Natalia's, which is quite obviously sensual and sexual. I would be very surprised if anyone here thinks that Natalia's shot is 'innocent.' It is a pretty sensual shot.

Unpopular opinion, but if you pose nude consenually for a photoshoot, and consensually pose in the way she did in the cover photo, you have to expect that the shot may be used. There have been some stories in this hashtag that have truly shocked and saddened me, but this is not one of them.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ I'm not able to see the photos to compare them, but she did say that the shot wasn't of a pose. She put specific parameters in place and they weren't respected. It's a sensitive thing to pose this way ... every woman should be treated with respect, including models.

 

[MulletProof]

To me her image and Sara's are worlds apart. You look at Sara and you know the photographer moved his angle, directed and submitted things in a way that's advantageous. Lonneke's picture is an "official" pose that she wanted taken but with different direction I guess (not LUST across her boobs for starters?). I get that, but can you, as a model, have control over the very last step of the creative process? your only control is over how you pose according to what you think the story is about or how you want your image to be documented.

She tends to sound pretty lucid in most subjects but if you read between the lines, it's often a bit "what the hell is she talking about?" (coughtrump).

 

[dsamg]

To me her image and Sara's are worlds apart. You look at Sara and you know the photographer moved his angle, directed and submitted things in a way that's advantageous. Lonneke's picture is an "official" pose that she wanted taken but with different direction I guess (not LUST across her boobs for starters?). I get that, but can you, as a model, have control over the very last step of the creative process? your only control is over how you pose according to what you think the story is about or how you want your image to be documented.

She tends to sound pretty lucid in most subjects but if you read between the lines, it's often a bit "what the hell is she talking about?" (coughtrump).

Exactly. Sara's situation made me very uncomfortae as was obviously not intending to be photographed that way. Lonneke was posing nude for a cover that was supposed to be based on Natalia's, which she sees as innocent. That is certainly a very subjective view as I think Natalia's is very sensual and not at all innocent. If you are going to pose nude for a body issue that you are told is inspired by another obviously NSFW cover, you have to know that you have little control over which image is picked and how the cover is designed.

Also interesting that she chose to praise ELLE USA while they are currently under fire for the Terry Richardson issue (I know that she is referring to a pre-Nina time, but interesting to note).

 

[cienne]

Well, I think if a magazine accepts certain conditions for the shoot, then they absolutely need to stick to the deal. It also seems like a very basic courtesy to offer models a chance to preview any nudes before publication. All magazines should be doing that.

Additionally, Lonneke mentioned that they published a textless version inside the mag, which sounds even more disrespectful (and honestly, pretty surprising considering we're talking about Elle NL here and not a men's mag like Lui)... So I'm with Lonneke here.

As an aside, I googled the cover and found an old TFS post saying it was Elle NL's first nude cover, which may or may not explain why they handled it so poorly.

 

[fashionista-ta]

Now that I'm home and can see the pix, I agree with her. Natalia's cover does have an innocence to it, and hers has none. I really can't see the inspiration line between the two, except that both are nude.

 

[Benn98]

(and honestly, pretty surprising considering we're talking about Elle NL here and not a men's mag like Lui)... So I'm with Lonneke here.

I was always under the impression that Europe was more liberal when it came to nudity. So many Elle editions ran topless covers around the same time, I recall seeing a very great one showing the model wearing only the then hyped Jil Sander's maxi skirt with elaborate ruffle waist trim, in lime green.

She's saying her cover shot was caught mid-pose, doesn't look like that to me.....

 

[cienne]

I was always under the impression that Europe was more liberal when it came to nudity. So many Elle editions ran topless covers around the same time, I recall seeing a very great one showing the model wearing only the then hyped Jil Sander's maxi skirt with elaborate ruffle waist trim, in lime green.

I think it varies a lot from country to country. I don't recall seeing much nudity in Scandinavian Elle editions, with the exception of Elle Norway's plus-size model cover, which was obviously done to promote body acceptance rather than sexuality. I don't think too much gratuitous nudity would be welcome in Scandinavian women's magazines as it would be seen as unfeminist.

As for Elle NL, it celebrated its anniversary this year by putting Doutzen Kroes and Lara Stone on the cover in a nude embrace. That shot looked like it came straight out of a men's magazine. But all other Elle NL covers I've seen have been fully clothed, so I don't think topless covers are really the norm for them.

 

[theBlueRider]

The picture is still beautiful regardless if it was caught in between poses. But it is sad to hear that Lonneke didn't like it because the shot is still fashion forward and classy.

I know models get upset even over shots chosen where they are wearing lots of clothes or makeup. Models can be very picky with the way they are portrayed because models are insecure with their angles, bodies etc. Maybe it becomes even heightened when it involves nudity.

I still think this case is different from Sara's case. It's not like the shot was taken in between changing outfits.

 

[Littleathquakes]

It's entirely different from Sara's case.

 

[AtticusFinch]

I was always under the impression that Europe was more liberal when it came to nudity.

I’ve never understood this - Europe being this sexually liberated nude friendly place. I live in Europe. No it’s not.
I think the difference is there are more beaches so you are more likely to see people in swimsuits. But they are going to the beach. Sure there may be nude beaches but only at the beach. Once they leave the beach they get dressed.
At cafes on the train etc, they are dressed for that occasion.
People aren’t walking about half naked. I would say people in the US wear far fewer clothes on a daily basis than the average European.