Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[lucy92]

Max Clark of ID has been suspended over sexual misconduct claims. Story here in the Guardian.

I'm not surprised to see more allegations of bad behaviour at Vice-owned properties.

 

[Benn98]

Despicable! What baffles me is is that it happened at such a progressive outlet. Can't explain it.
On the flipside, the story of choreographer Liam Scarlett is truly tragic. Now we will never know the truth, and his name will forever remain tainted.

 

[MulletProof]

^ The truth is in the facts: an investigation was made, no one came forward with the allegations and did not pursue any legal action against him. There should've been plenty of evidence seeing as most of it was related to online interactions and one of the two or three anonymous accusers was a former RB dancer, so not necessarily under any potential professional repercussion.

Liam was also depicted in the media as 'the greatest choreographer of this generation'.. adding to whatever perception the public had of his power within the company, when the reality is that he was not that powerful, or powerful at all, he was an artist in residence, way under the shadow of gigantic figures like McGregor and Wheeldon.

The Royal Ballet ultimately cleared him up and did not fire him but I imagine that being placed on leave for these reasons is humiliating enough so he quit. When he got a job with the Royal Danish Ballet a year later (2021) and allegations followed, instead of opening an inquiry, they just canceled the whole thing and he committed suicide like a day later.

Honestly, the dance world is a s*it show and there's a ton of inappropriate behavior that has little to do with hierarchies. There's open favoritism too and equal amounts of completely childish, petty people who will do or say anything to sink others in retaliation for not being cast.

Since no one came forward and a 7-month investigation found nothing, I believe him. Lots of men and women around the world go through unimaginable persecution that doesn't just threaten their careers, but their own lives and those of their families and friends, simply due to politics, safety, being in the wrong place at the wrong time (drug and human trafficking).. it is a huge, huge privilege to have a justice system that is not crippled by corruption and impunity and that actually works and that instead of silencing you, starts investigations, taking immediate preventative actions such as putting the person you're accusing on unpaid leave. For anyone to make such a huge accusation on sexual 'misconduct' ('walked in when I was changing' 'asked me for nudes') but then not provide further explanations, proof or even context... I don't know, sounds like all you want is to, yeah, forever taint someone's name.

 

[Benn98]

^What I gauged from the story is that it was really the effect of the court of public opinion that was the final straw for him. And very often public opinion is far more powerful and damaging (in good and bad ways). In this case, it was damaging enough for him to commit suicide. Any dance company across the globe could pick him up again, but the story would follow him and you only need one unsubstantiated claim and you're done. In this instance, I find it sad.

Are the Danes partly responsible for acting in haste and thereby aggravating a situation that pushed him over the edge? I think so! In fact, I'd call it a form of manslaughter, they have blood on their hands. Nobody wants to talk about that because it's not proper. Bugger that! They either knew about the allegations and hired him regardless, or they didn't know (which would actually be worse!). But to then hop on some sort of moral bandwagon and show him the door without lodging their own investigation is disgusting not to mention unfair. Because Royal Danish Theatre received a complaint from London, so they should in theory have investigated it themselves and not relied on the court of public opinion.

And I must say, I found Alastair Macaulay's 'version of events' jarring and faintly annoying. Also him mentioning the fact that Liam was also suffering from a terminal illness, trying to allude that it may have been a contributing factor to commit suicide. Read it here. Thing is, Alastair was one of those who piled on him when the allegations came out.

 

[DK92]

 

[velvetandsilk]

 

[YohjiAddict]

Rihanna: The Knicker Scammer

 

[gunsnroses]

Is this true?

 

[FashionMuseDior]

If these allegations are true then shame to him!

By the way that username made me laugh, Bottega's Vendetta

 

[boleyns]

Might actually be true

 

[gunsnroses]

Hmm

 

[Benn98]

The only part that makes me somewhat reluctant to believe it's true is the use of a hard 'N word''. Never heard an English person say the word sorry.

Louis is now doing a little bit too much and this could result in a lawsuit if proven false. Which I'm not saying it is, but still. There's something about speaking on behalf of victims. Smacks of outing.
Less Twitter, more work!

In fact I now wonder how CN will handle this situation because it's such a sensitive and serious matter that it could affect advertising. And yet it's also not good PR if they'd sack Louis over this.
The way I see it there are 2 possibilities. Either it's idle gossip in which case Daniel could complain to CN/sue Louis in their personal capacity for libel. Or it's true, but Louis would then have to out the victim (who I imagine signed an NDA) if they want to prove it's not a false claim.

It would be incredibly disappointing if it's true. Daniel is young, for starters. Working in an industry that only last year had to reckon racism in their own ranks. What does that say about 'next gen'? Well technically we're in the same age group, lol.

 

[aracic]

Tbh it's so unreal to me that people are still saying sh*t like this in 2021. Like even if you're a racist on your own time, you should know how the world currently functions and how much there is to lose over scandals like this in the fashion industry. Why would someone risk it all over a stupid derogatory term? Aside from being racist, mean and disgusting it's just plain idiotic from a business standpoint.

Can't say that I'll miss him.

 

[MulletProof]

This buffoon is in for a rude awakening when he realises the use of 'allegedly' does not necessarily cut it the way it does in the US no matter how many posts you make on social media claiming it's legal shelter for you. I hope the lawyer he's consulting is not American because he could not have picked a worst place to spread misinformation (which so far, that's what it is) and enter defamation territory. France has actual laws for the former, a healthier understanding of freedom of speech (no f*ck you and you cause fIrSt aMeNdMeNt~!), in addition to having the opposite legal principles (the burden of proof in a libel case falls on the influencer in this case, not on the potential plaintiff here, which would happen in the US). So.. good luck buddy. Facing a lawsuit by a French conglomerate (or someone recently associated to one), as a foreigner, sounds like a pain in the a*s.. but, ultimately very educational lol.


Also: discrimination at your workplace > NDA.

 

[Steddycam91]

I’m kind of all over the place in processing this allegation. On the one hand I’m admittedly naive and still can’t fully fathom someone, no matter how aggressively racist, saying something like that in front of their bosses at their place of work.

On the other hand, if someone was to say something like that, what does that say about the environment they were operating in that allowed them to get to that point? A board room full of extremely rich white men…That feels like an inevitable “safe space” for many offensive and racist things to be said, no? There should be zero tolerance for someone speaking like that, but I feel like there sort of...is tolerance in an environment like that. Do you think these execs really care about racism? I feel like all they really care about is the bottom line.

I relish the schadenfreude of a huge conglomerate being taken to task and made uncomfortable, but at the same time…the ones at the top won’t really be affected. Daniel Lee’s career and reputation would potentially be tarnished, but he’s probably already set up pretty comfortably. Even if this shocking allegation turns out to be true, nothing will fundamentally change, will it?

It’s currently blowing up a certain subset of the internet and then…the capitalist status quo will just keep on keeping on. I think of the millions of luxury consumers that will have absolutely no awareness of this.

I wasn't aware of Louis until now, but I feel like they might want to look through some of their old tweets...

 

[gunsnroses]

They’re still digging themselves a bigger hole. I’ll be surprised if they still have a job at Vogue next week

 

[charles01]

Not only are they possibly losing Vogue France advertisers, they’re also openly talking like this on twitter…

 

[dior_couture1245]

What an absolutely revolting person.

Zero taste. Zero class. Zero tact. Zero talent. Zero clue.

I see his Instagram bio says “Diversity.” Im glad he’s transparent and honest enough to plainly share his resume for all to see.

It’s time fashion purged itself of this infiltrating class of “YAS MAMA” Hamburger Mary gays.

 

[Frederic01]

Not only are they possibly losing Vogue France advertisers, they’re also openly talking like this on twitter…

Absolutely reckless. This person is so unprincipled, so unprofessional, so morally offensive. How are they still employed by Harpers Bazaar / Vogue France? Shame on these magazines for employing people like that and giving them carte blanche to write the nonsensical drivel they do in the name of "inclusivity" and "diversity".

Why is this new generation of hires so problematic? The last generation of editors may not have been as diverse as we would have liked, but at least they weren't hurling criminal accusations at their colleagues and making unsavoury sexual commentary about their peers.

I find it shocking that Harpers/Vogue is so quiet about this. So hypocritical and biased. Imagine if J. W. Anderson wrote exactly what Louis tweeted on one of his social media platforms. Do you think LVMH would stand by him? Do you think people in the Twitter universe would accept it? Of course not. He would be immediately "cancelled", his
LVMH contract would be terminated and he would be publicly shamed and abused in the media, and he would be labelled with terminology such as "toxic white masculinity".

It infuriates me that some people aren't held to the same ethical standards. Seriously, Harpers Bazaar / Vogue France, take a stand!

 

[dior_couture1245]

This Louis character is so symptomatic of the current social climate. He is drunk on the power afforded him by being a carefully crafted cocktail of intersectionality. We have received nonstop messaging for the last several years that someone who looks like him is incapable of doing wrong, that pearls of wisdom pour out of his mouth by the mere nature of his being, that anything he does carries weight and gravitas, that he is an unsung arbiter of all trends...I could go on. But this kind of messaging gets into people's heads. It fills his with delusions of grandeur and a dangerous sense of infallibility. It fills our head's with fear to ever question, dislike or call out his behavior...because we all know what we'll be called if we have no taste for his actions or words. We saw the same kind of nonsense coming from Billy Porter just a month or two ago...who had the audacity to believe he deserved a Vogue cover because we wears quinceanera dresses on the red carpet? And had an actual nerve to say that he is responsible for gender bending style full stop???

This has got to end.