Is John Galliano Wrong for Dior?

[Lena]

I don't know, ideas of elegance, couture, refinement, and beauty that were characteristc of Monsieur Dior have really been detached from what John has done. John definetly stirs the crowd but a lot comes from cheap gimmicks, flashy colors, and revealing clothes, nothing truly substantial. This is not what Monsieur Dior did. Theyskens, Elbaz, and Ghesquire receive so much praise not because they are quiet and reference the archives but because they continue the essential values of the house and interpret them in a modern and relevant way. Galliano did push the house into the 21st century and totally revived it but his formula for theatrics, celebrity indulgence, and gimmicks has run short which is evident by his recent and drastic change in approach. I liked it in the beginning when John used Dior as a forum to work out ideas of Couture and it's relevance and not so much about flashy clothes for spoiled rich girls with poor taste (dior surf chick ahem).

great post..

i absolutely agree, Hedi could do much better he's modern, i find Galliano too much 'on his own cloud' he's very irrelevant with planet earth, he's been cought in the poor taste/sell bags gap, so NOT Dior
viewing his fw05.06 shows both for Dior and Galliano label, he seems a tiny bit more alert this season, as if someone rang him a bell or as if he finally saw the red light blinking..
to be prefectly honest, i never really liked his work, but only when he first came out with his graduate collection..and that was then.. today, seeing photos of 'vintage' pre-Dior Galliano i wonder what did i saw in him then..

i believe he should be replaced asap, he's like a caricature so not fresh, so very predictable

 

[tricotineacetat]

Mutterlein, I gotta agree with your point-of-view, very well said, it absolutely sums up my personal opinion on Dior by John Galliano.

Considering Dior as one of todays most profit-oriented luxury brands, I don´t think it would be a wise choice to appoint Hedi Slimane as creative director of the womenswear department. If you dare to compare, John Galliano would be the perfect manifestation of "pop", appealing to almost everybody from the bored housewife to the wannabe starlet - Hedi Slimane is without doubt a VERY talented designer but always represented something "indie", with Dior Homme as a profitable niche market. Now, who do you think can turn in more profits?

Unfortunately, most of the decisions to appoint a new artistic director of a conglomerate-owned fashion house are all political - While the press and fashion pack are talking about innovation of craft and state-of-art, the chairmen are speaking of "opening new markets" and annual profit announcements; Dior is still to be considered as a powerhouse in fashion and cannot be missed, but on the economical point of view; Companies like Lanvin, Rochas and Balenciaga on the contrary have all been reported as unprofitable and we can be glad about the fact that their owners are still patient with the development of their lines...

 

[Lena]

Dior's power is mainly in accesories and cosmetic related products

 

[tricotineacetat]

...exactly, which is why I just hope that Lanvin and Rochas are pushing into fragrances for the mass market again, so that they can afford their "difficult" but fantastic designers...

 

[tott]

Dior's power is mainly in accesories and cosmetic related products

Exactly. It would be interesting to know just how many items of "real" clothing they sell, not counting things like simple t-shirts...

 

[Choisir]

Dior's power is mainly in accesories and cosmetic related products

Definitely, and those areas have naturally higher profit margins than rtw which is why they can make so much more money than fashion centred houses

 

[Acid]

John is wrong for Dior in the sence that he has completely taken the brand as far from the beauty of Christian Dior's work as humanly possible

but he is right for the brand in terms of financial success, he gives all of the trashy dior wh*re's exactly what they want

 

[plumage19]

John is wrong for Dior in the sence that he has completely taken the brand as far from the beauty of Christian Dior's work as humanly possible

but he is right for the brand in terms of financial success, he gives all of the trashy dior wh*re's exactly what they want

Nice and cheeky, Acid!!! I think this sums up my opinion about Dior to a t.

 

[Lena]

John is wrong for Dior in the sence that he has completely taken the brand as far from the beauty of Christian Dior's work as humanly possible

but he is right for the brand in terms of financial success, he gives all of the trashy dior wh*re's exactly what they want

c'est vrais

 

[mdankwah]

^ Iwas just about to say that and the flower at the end of the sentence is a nice touch

 

[Ghost]

Galliano's pics are trash for untrained eyes.

 

[lolita729]

John is not wrong for Dior, the proof is in his success. He took Dior to a whole new level and maybe that's where it's supposed to be, who says that only Mr Dior's vision was the right one?? John keeps up with time and every season, he just amazes everybody by how creative he is, and as long as there's a wearable version of what's on the show then everybody's happy, both LVMH and the all logo girls.

Viva John

 

[Lena]

...exactly, which is why I just hope that Lanvin and Rochas are pushing into fragrances for the mass market again, so that they can afford their "difficult" but fantastic designers...

Rochas recently had 'poupette' out
Lanvin is planing on a new Elbaz directed refume line

welcome to tFS Ghost

 

[tricotineacetat]

are you reffering to "poupée" or are they about to launch yet another fragrance? i think they didn´t do a great marketing on that one, it´s undecided, just as if they didn´t know where they want to sell it - nobody´s selling them, at least not the obvious chains that come to mind for my place...

 

[Lena]

ooops yes trico, that was the one and you are right, they didnt do very well with it plus it smells quite erhh like ...nothing new

 

[Mr-Dale]

We have had this discussion before I think in the Dior Madhouse thread, but still i think the same. Galliano has long time been there to stir up fashion a bit. Mostly done brilliantly, sometimes not. But I would get why one would not like or even appreciate his sometimes over the top designs. Galliano was needed at Dior because the house needed an absolute change and that is what he did: he changed it all. The image, the clothes, everything. And as some have already said, his collection always bring forth such big trends in the following season(s), there is hardly ever an exception. But even to me, a Dior fan to the core, there have absolutely been mistakes on his Dior path. Several collection for Dior (yes the fw 04 rtw for instance) were absolutely meaningless to the world of fashion and it's followers. It was concidered to be a joke by more people than there were people that were absolutely estatic about this collection. I think that especially after this colection the whole discussion got bigger. Is he right or is he not? But yet again, sales kept on going skyrocket. Though more important, people were loving it less and less. So he knew, change was needed. Also after big comments on fw 04 couture, that it was too extreme, and too not contemporary or whatever, Galliano completely turned everything upside down. SS 05 was a good step towards desirable and absolutely glorious 'ready-to-wear' ready-to-wear, but it still lacked something. To me, that lack has been made up wonderfully for FW 05 and also for SS 05 couture, that contributed to a big trend for the FW 05 season. He was wise enough to not be stubern for once and listen to what the masses wanted. So he is still bringing change to the house and above, fantastic and artistic work for his couture collections that inspire lots of people in what ever.

Plus, I don't think Hedi would be great for Dior Femme. First of all, I don't think he is versatile enough. When I look at his collection for Homme, I always see the same, there never seems to be change in his work, which would be important to Dior Femme when we talk about inventivity and being very influential...

Fabulous discussion people!

 

[Honey~Blade]

Personally I like Galliano. Is he good for Dior or not, I don't know coz I can say I don't know that much about Fashion and my focus is mainly on the avant garde stuff and not really mainstream.
From my understanding, and from the understanding of people who have studied fashion and live it say he's was a welcome change. He was energetic, bold albeit crazy. For me, I really liked his collections for Dior except that horrible fall RTW 2001.

Ofcoz though I don't think much in fashion terms or these kinda things, I'm more into art so naturally I would like his designs and character. I just think if Galliano left Dior, things would be alot less exciting V

 

[ATTITUDE]

He's more than good for Dior. He gave Dior a bootsup, that means he gave it an enourmous publicity grip and made it one of the most talked about fashion shows, brand and more. With Hedi on the malde side, the two boys are doing a really great job. And Dior, c'mon, GALLIANO = DIOR. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Plastic'sWife]

I can't picture Dior with out John...

 

[mdankwah]

I can't picture Dior with out John...

Exactly, we've associated Galliano with Dior so much so that, it's hard to picture anyone else at that position.