Model Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[JPineapple]

Are Rianne and Freja a couple?

 

[apple]

If I remember well, Rianne has a boyfriend. Or at least she had one until some moths ago, I haven't kept track with instagram that much lately.

 

[Benn98]

The stud strikes again! Lol. At this point I'm amazed that Freja's bedpost isn't collapsing from all those notches. She'd probably be able to open a boutique modelling agency of her own filled only with exes/hookups/whatever she calls it.

 

[dsamg]

The stud strikes again! Lol. At this point I'm amazed that Freja's bedpost isn't collapsing from all those notches. She'd probably be able to open a boutique modelling agency of her own filled only with exes/hookups/whatever she calls it.

Hahaha true. But I actually think Freja is still with Kim.

 

[billiejbob]

This MDLBeast controversy raised by Diet Prada is really beginning to heat up. At first they were just calling out the influencer models for attending but now people like Manual Arnaut are criticising DP for their lack of awareness and Emily Ratakjowski is being criticised for saying she wouldn't attend due to LGBT rights but happily goes on the cover of Arabic magazines.

Even Jamal Khashoggi's former editor is getting involved and criticising the models for attending when they're aware of all the human rights abuses that go on there.

Seems like people on both sides of the debate are steadfast in their views.

 

[sixtdaily]

Too bad Manuel Arnaut has "personal reasons" that prevent him from visiting the wonderful kingdom of Saudi Arabia because I would love to read what makes this country so "remarkable"! What a fkn hypocrite!
Ps - he should have read Emily's cover story in HB Arabia before making his stupid post, she did talk about women's right in the east vs west and showed her concern.

 

[apple]

Humans' rights are such a bigger issue than a post on Instagram by an account that exposes fashion copycats or an "influencer" being paid to sponsor a festival. It is so frustrating to see people talk about it so easily on social medias, defending their view without considering the bigger picture

 

[Nomar]

While I'm not the biggest fan of Diet Prada and their so called fashion 'critique', I prefer them as a social justice platform for issues like this. I'm glad to see these influencers being called out and held accountable for their actions. This is pretty big and if DP didn't break this story then I'd probably have no idea about the issue.

Also, has anyone noticed that some of these influencers involved have been commenting on each other's photos in Saudi Arabia? I've seen emojis and stuff like that but I feel like there's definitely a hidden message and it's more a show of support for each other. Some posts have also had their comments limited. Shameless.

 

[tomtakesphotos]

Joan Smalls, Jourdan Dunn, Stella Maxwell, Elsa Hosk... I guess Saudi trips paid by the anti-gay anti-women government is better than nothing.

The fact that not a soul is backtracking/apologizing tells me they all signed some scary sort of gag agreement. Which is maybe the creepiest part?

 

[Gabriel29]

It's also interesting to note that there was no promo as a lead up to the festival. All the pics were posted the day of and the influencers left right away haha. I think they all knew they were gonna get intense backlash, but decided that the check was worth it. I wouldn't doubt that many of them were brainwashed too. There definitely must have been a gag order or a strict contract from saying anything negative despite public pressure.

It also bothers me that none of the influencers explicitly disclosed that they were paid for this trip. This had to be an arrangement because you can get in legal trouble for not stating this. Again, the money must have been so good that they were willing to risk it their reputation and legality.

 

[Benn98]

Joan Smalls, Jourdan Dunn, Stella Maxwell, Elsa Hosk... I guess Saudi trips paid by the anti-gay anti-women government is better than nothing.

Plus Halima Aden, Irina Shayk.....

This is a slippery slope. I understand the criticism, but if you rail against these models you also have to rail against Vogue Arabia, all the top models and photographers who shoot for them, designers going over there for trunk shows. It just seems a bit like cherry-picking to me because these girls are easy targets.

 

[theBlueRider]

Plus Halima Aden, Irina Shayk.....

This is a slippery slope. I understand the criticism, but if you rail against these models you also have to rail against Vogue Arabia, all the top models and photographers who shoot for them, designers going over there for trunk shows. It just seems a bit like cherry-picking to me because these girls are easy targets.

Just wondering, does the Saudi government fund Vogue Arabia and the designers?

Because a lot of the criticism has to do with the music festival being funded by the government/state owned enterprise as opposed to a private company.

 

[Benn98]

Just wondering, does the Saudi government fund Vogue Arabia and the designers?

Because a lot of the criticism has to do with the music festival being funded by the government/state owned enterprise as opposed to a private company.

Correct, they are not funded by the government, but the mere fact that they are allowed to be there is from the tacit approval of Saudis. At the core, the main issue is really that these models are benefitting from a system that is anti-women/anti-gay and all sorts of other freedom are curbed. The only distinction is that their cheques were cut directly by the government while Vogue Arabia and everyone else associated with them are getting their riches from the public, which is under the firm grip of the government. To me, there's really no distinction. Especially since Vogue Arabia doesn't function under their own autonomy, they are censored, just like Chinese and Russian Vogue.

If you have a problem with this you should have a problem with brands making money off those territories, magazines who set up shop in that region, pop stars who perform there, the list goes on.

Just want to clear up that I think, in general, models, brands/pop stars, gay men and women who vacation there and so forth have the right to do as they wish. It becomes murky when it is the SJWs or companies doing so who preach a heavily liberal message on the one hand, and do something else on the other. Someone like Halima Aden, whose entire modelling career is politicised. Just weeks ago Vogue launched their so-called Vogue Values guideline and the very last one reads:

We speak with a unified voice across 26 editions standing for the values of diversity, responsibility and respect for individuals, communities and for our natural environment.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong and that only really entails ditching fur and plastic, and recycling piggy poo.

 

[Runabout]

Plus Halima Aden, Irina Shayk.....

This is a slippery slope. I understand the criticism, but if you rail against these models you also have to rail against Vogue Arabia, all the top models and photographers who shoot for them, designers going over there for trunk shows. It just seems a bit like cherry-picking to me because these girls are easy targets.

This one, because this issue is kinda complex; on one side it has to be these models' fault (which isn't something I thought, except for some in my TL), but on another I suspect there's something that actually made them do this, like... contracts? Anything?

Besides, cancel culture doesn't even work.

 

[theBlueRider]

Correct, they are not funded by the government, but the mere fact that they are allowed to be there is from the tacit approval of Saudis. At the core, the main issue is really that these models are benefitting from a system that is anti-women/anti-gay and all sorts of other freedom are curbed. The only distinction is that their cheques were cut directly by the government while Vogue Arabia and everyone else associated with them are getting their riches from the public, which is under the firm grip of the government. To me, there's really no distinction. Especially since Vogue Arabia doesn't function under their own autonomy, they are censored, just like Chinese and Russian Vogue.

If you have a problem with this you should have a problem with brands making money off those territories, magazines who set up shop in that region, pop stars who perform there, the list goes on.

Just want to clear up that I think, in general, models, brands/pop stars, gay men and women who vacation there and so forth have the right to do as they wish. It becomes murky when it is the SJWs or companies doing so who preach a heavily liberal message on the one hand, and do something else on the other. Someone like Halima Aden, whose entire modelling career is politicised. Just weeks ago Vogue launched their so-called Vogue Values guideline and the very last one reads:

We speak with a unified voice across 26 editions standing for the values of diversity, responsibility and respect for individuals, communities and for our natural environment.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong and that only really entails ditching fur and plastic, and recycling piggy poo.

Yeah, a lot of the models who are involved with this scandal have some sort of SJW thing so maybe that's also part of the outrage. Maybe the general public should stop having such high expectations for these models to be genuinely educated and intelligent. It's not like any of them work with research firms and have deep knowledge of any of these political and environmental issues. They get their education from the mainstream news not University research grants. Sometimes I think the SJW thing is very forced with these models and influencers because there's pressure for them to say that they care about something beyond wearing the latest trends, makeup, getting the right face angle, making sure their highlights are done every 3 weeks, getting that Botox etc.

On another note, I know that a lot of times models can shoot with teams and they have no idea where the editorial is going to end up landing. This happens a lot with the Vogue editions and it's not like anyone really gets paid for their time if they get published by a Vogue edition.

 

[Benn98]

Careful Joan, Amie is into whips and chains.....



The Guardian

 

[Benn98]

Yikes, how much money did the Saudis spend to get all those models and celebrities to attend? Not bothered about influencers and riff-raff like Sofia Richie, Scott Disick and Luka Sabbat, they really have no qualms how they make their money.

And to think Halima Aden is supposed to be a UN Ambassador.....

 

[Lola701]

Yikes, how much money did the Saudis spend to get all those models and celebrities to attend? Not bothered about influencers and riff-raff like Sofia Richie, Scott Disick and Luka Sabbat, they really have no qualms how they make their money.

And to think Halima Aden is supposed to be a UN Ambassador.....

There are paid a great amount of money and all of the accommodations are taken care of.
It’s simple: middle-eastern government (Qatar, Saudi Arabia) wants to be involved in Culture and they are using all their influence and contacts to do so.
This is just pure Soft Power and that part of the world has to be attractive from a business point of view with the World Cup soon...
Now, there’s low key a silent war between Qatar and Saudi Arabia on Culture. With Sheika Mozah, Qatar has a big foot in fashion and stuff...

Guys, in business, there’s no conviction! If presidents can’t mention human rights when dealing with some regimes, why do you expect models and influencers to do the same?
All the parties involved have the same agenda...

The world and business relationships are not as simple as an instagram post...Unfortunately.

 

[dsamg]

It's also interesting to note that there was no promo as a lead up to the festival. All the pics were posted the day of and the influencers left right away haha. I think they all knew they were gonna get intense backlash, but decided that the check was worth it. I wouldn't doubt that many of them were brainwashed too. There definitely must have been a gag order or a strict contract from saying anything negative despite public pressure.

It also bothers me that none of the influencers explicitly disclosed that they were paid for this trip. This had to be an arrangement because you can get in legal trouble for not stating this. Again, the money must have been so good that they were willing to risk it their reputation and legality.

If they were posting from Saudi they wouldn't have to disclose it. This law only applies in the US and any other countries that have passed the law. In Australia our influencers do not have to disclose ads or sponsorships.

 

[dsamg]

This one, because this issue is kinda complex; on one side it has to be these models' fault (which isn't something I thought, except for some in my TL), but on another I suspect there's something that actually made them do this, like... contracts? Anything?

Besides, cancel culture doesn't even work.

I'm not sure about the theory that cancel culture doesn't work...try asking the Skinny b*tch Collective how business is going.