Model Behavior [Read post #1 before posting] #10

Discussion in 'Rumor has it...' started by tFS Thread Manager, Aug 21, 2017.

  1. LostInNJ

    LostInNJ Rive Gauche. Rive Droite.

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2004
    Messages:
    2,151
    Likes Received:
    8
    Why look at either of their pages, if it is so offensive and vulgar to you? Have the images caused you harm quite bizarre to me. The argument of the whole "free the nipple" 'movement' is that men pose topless on Instagram the entire time, but the moment a woman does, it is vulgar/pornography.

    Is this a fact or just snark?
     
  2. gbam

    gbam Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2015
    Messages:
    618
    Likes Received:
    18
    Naomi posted this on insta.

     
  3. dodencebt

    dodencebt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2010
    Messages:
    3,824
    Likes Received:
    491
    It's a fact; she posts about it on Instagram. She seems to have a lot of older designer items that she probably doesn't wear anymore.

    Also, I don't think the poster meant it as a snarky comment but more as in proof that she supplements her income from other things and therefore she would have the money for a good plastic surgery, if she indeed got one.
     
  4. xoxoadore

    xoxoadore Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    Messages:
    914
    Likes Received:
    19
    Honestly, with the amount of money she must have I find it greedy she is selling designer clothes on ebay,I mean at least sell them for some charity or something; she must have a closet full of items but I doubt she truly needs the money lbr as for the clothes themselves I think she just doesn't use them anymore, i doubt all of her clothes don't fit just because of a boob job, she is selling shoes and bottoms, etc. as well.

    IA about reporting the image being silly, every time i open IG i see topless dudes i truly do not wish to see; there are guys that put themselves up shirtless everyday because they work out or are at the beach or something like that how is it different? they are just showing off...And I prefer to see Magdas boobs any time but come on, it ain't insulting or anything just scroll past it or don't follow her, as simple as that.
     
    #24 xoxoadore, Aug 22, 2017
    Last edited by moderator vyrnwy: Aug 22, 2017
  5. badgalcrush

    badgalcrush Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2017
    Messages:
    431
    Likes Received:
    6

    You are all so mean it's crazy...:p haha

    And yes she does sell some clothes on ebay but its for charity I remember she posted about it like a year or two

    I think she earn pretty well her life and if she need money she can play with her relation in the industry to fix it.

    I just think Magda is searching herself right now and enjoying life thats all...
    Won't be against a runway comeback but we'll see
     
  6. Littleathquakes

    Littleathquakes Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2008
    Messages:
    5,575
    Likes Received:
    15
    Is she highlighting that they're all white? If not, then I'm not following what she's trying to say with that.
     
  7. perhydrol

    perhydrol Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2014
    Messages:
    789
    Likes Received:
    12
    I might be prude but I'll try to explain my POV. There's a little difference between Magda's recent instaphotos and the Anja's one for example. Magda's ones are just too close to Playboy-ish kind of nudity imho which is just tacky and tasteless. And that caption, I mean it's just too much. At the same time Anja's pic is way more natural and effortless, she doesn't have that "look at my breasts!" kind of attitude and she seems to be truly comfortable with her body. With Magda I would say that she's trying to prove something but as I said before it's a matter of taste.

    I have nothing against the 'free the nipple' movement but it should be done with at least some hint of class. Same with shirtless dudes.
     
  8. Littleathquakes

    Littleathquakes Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2008
    Messages:
    5,575
    Likes Received:
    15
    LOL that is the very definition of being a prude...
     
  9. narcyza

    narcyza Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2010
    Messages:
    4,746
    Likes Received:
    0
    It's the first one "Really?".
     
  10. badgalcrush

    badgalcrush Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2017
    Messages:
    431
    Likes Received:
    6
    I think so and I had a shock to see that EVERYSINGLE person of the british vogue team is caucasian and that is even weird...
     
  11. eizhowa

    eizhowa Active Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2011
    Messages:
    4,932
    Likes Received:
    6
    Oh I don't know, I think one of the guys might have a black grandparent or something. That or he is just a bit tanned. Difficult to tell.
     
  12. Mea Culpa

    Mea Culpa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2007
    Messages:
    13,310
    Likes Received:
    99
    this is what she captioned it with

    "This is the staff photo of @britishvogue under the previous editor #AlexandraSchulman. Looking forward to an inclusive and diverse staff now that @edward_enninful is the editor ������������*♀️������������let's hear your thoughts ?"


    ... and good on her for it! WOW! Shame shame British Vogue! Really looking forward to seeing what EE does with it...
     
    #32 Mea Culpa, Aug 22, 2017
    Last edited by moderator myduckyandmee: Aug 22, 2017
  13. eizhowa

    eizhowa Active Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2011
    Messages:
    4,932
    Likes Received:
    6
    I doubt it is a conscious effort to keep the staff low in diversity. A comparioson from the top of my head: Most supreme court judges are male in my country because 40+ years ago, far fewer women than men studied law. The best people are chosen for the job and it so happened to be a bunch of white men, because that was the best applicants at the time. That does not mean I go around crying "Shame on the courts!". None of the people who work at the court are to blame. In time, when a more diverse crowd becomes eligeble applicants, the lack of diversity will go away. It just takes time (for people to retire or get fired).

    I do appreciate that Naomi is so outspoken about how far we have left to go though.
     
  14. thatsfierce

    thatsfierce Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    2,619
    Likes Received:
    26
    Oh, c'mon! Let Magda be whatever she wants!! Y'all so moralist b*tches.
    And about Naomi's post: She did THAT :lol:
     
  15. Benn98

    Benn98 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2014
    Messages:
    15,936
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    Not a good example, because what you're effectively saying is that there may not have been no suitable applicants (of other races) for any opening at any given stage.....which frankly speaking, I find criminally inaccurate. The UK has given the fashion world Edward, Pat, Simone Rocha...look at the staff of Dazed, ID.

    I'll agree that it wasnt a concious decision and I deplore affirmative action, but my God, at some stage Alexandra must've looked at her team and thought 'wow, what's happening here?'. 'On the one hand I'm bombarded with complaints about not reflecting other demographics in the Uk, and on the other I have this exclusively white team of employees? What's the link here?' It doesnt take a genius to tie the two together, honestly. Furthermore, for the business she's in, giving a host of communities a voice should come with the territory. She shouldnt even have to think of hiring an Indian person (for example) to reflect Indian culture. This type of nitpicking would never have started if British Vogue just made a concious effort to showcase the various communities of the UK more often.

    Naomi is more subtle, but like many I think she's trying to allude (in her opinion) why the magazine lacked so much diversity.
     
  16. anlabe32

    anlabe32 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2012
    Messages:
    8,064
    Likes Received:
    84
    I don't have anything against her breasts. It's just the way she exposes herself on Instagram that I find vulgar and trashy. If you want to show your breasts on social media there are dozens of ways to do it in a classier way. Magdalena is just seeking for attention. It's not the first time a "fallen" models does weird stuff on social media (*ahem* Snejana)

    I also don't like what Naomi is doing. She's using this picture for her personal feud with British Vogue. It's not like 99% of the people in that picture can do anything about the lack of diversity. They got hired to do their job and their faces are now in a hateful post on a social media channel with more than a million followers.
     
  17. Benn98

    Benn98 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2014
    Messages:
    15,936
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    For the record, I'm not placing blame on any of the actual people in that picture and from that point I do agree with Anlabe. Imo it should be directly aimed at Alexandra Shulman.
     
  18. eizhowa

    eizhowa Active Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2011
    Messages:
    4,932
    Likes Received:
    6
    I did not mean to give the impression that there were no applicants of other races. It was the belief that British Vogue should be ashamed that I reacted to.

    I can easily imagine that in an interview, you hire the person most like yourself because it feels familiar (and I sort of have the feeling Shulman prefered the familiar.). This could be a person of a similar background or people who you are distantly related to or some far off acquaintances. And there are circles of family/friends where the wast majority are white. I find this a very plausible scenario.

    Is it not also possible that the other employees would have recommended people for positions instead of hiring people the "normal way" (announce open position-CVs-interviews)? I am not very familiar with how British Vogue does things (so feel free to enlighten me, if anyone can), but from the little I have seen of the internal workings of privately owned companies, a lot of the hiring happens internally by recommendation. And if the people who already work there only know people from certain circles, the same kind of people will keep being hired.

    Assuming that it is normal to hire from your "circle of people", then British Vogues only flaw is that the staff belongs to certain circles of people... It is just a though.

    But I have heard that diversity is profitable so I am a bit amazed Shulman never made an effort for that reason alone.

    Edit: So to sum up, while I do not find Shulmans method of hiring is the most optimal (for many reasons, and assuming the hiring happens somewhat along the lines of what I believe), I do find it understandable.
     
    #38 eizhowa, Aug 22, 2017
    Last edited by moderator KimJelly: Aug 22, 2017
  19. EstefaniaAbaddon

    EstefaniaAbaddon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2010
    Messages:
    2,040
    Likes Received:
    195
    Naomi is right but...

    If she thinks inclusive means asking your millionaire friends to go work for you, she is way wrong. Sure you can ask you POC friends to go work for you and that will create a diverse environment but that is not inclusive. Inclusive is to give someone a job for their experience and talent and, I'm so so sorry, but where is Naomi's and Kate's experience working for a magazine? Where did they complete their studies? Which is their degree? Their credentials. They might get a more diverse picture but I doubt he will have a more inclusive one. I doubt he will get people in that actually deserve the job. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. There's too many unemployment (from lower classes/not the 1%) in the fashion industry.

    Of course I'm saying it should be diverse and inclusive instead of just diverse. I'm saying that he can find POC from lower classes with credentials instead of going for Naomi or his "It"/"Instagram" friends.
     
    #39 EstefaniaAbaddon, Aug 22, 2017
    Last edited by moderator christiibistii: Aug 22, 2017
  20. Benn98

    Benn98 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2014
    Messages:
    15,936
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    See, that there was her very first mistake. You can't hire someone with a similar viewpoint as yours or who even vaguely resemble you because fashion is a creative-driven and ever-changing industry. It will mean whatever you'll present will always be unilateral to some extent. American Vogue for instance is a mix and match (think Tonne to Grace to Camilla). These stylists are like chalk and cheese, their cultural backgrounds are different, and that's good because it means there will always be at least three different povs.

    Also, context is very important here and when you look at the context of this situation you have a magazine which should supposedly cater to a vast demographic. Then you have your EIC who would normally step in with a vision, and assemble a team to execute said vision. This whole 'recommendation' and 'posh girl clique' is actually something I'd have thought Tatler would do because this hiring structure align with the ethos of that magazine. But not for the 2nd most profitable Vogue edition in the world.

    Just to put this situation into perspective - I don't think there are any POC in the senior editorial team at American Vogue. And it doesnt actually matter to anybody because the magazine does it's best to cover all corners consistently.

    As I said in my previous post, this witchhunt on the staff only started because people are trying to rationalise why exactly it is that British Vogue lacked so much in the diversity dept despite covering a myriad of different cultures.

    And as for Naomi's new appointment, I can say that I was one of the first to oppose the idea of her and Kate (and some others) for Edward's Vogue purely because they don't have the merit to back it up. Here too, I'm not convinced Edward is following an ideal hiring practice but not having seen the magazine yet, it simply cannot be compared against Alexandra's 25 years to date.
     
    #40 Benn98, Aug 22, 2017
    Last edited by moderator Brandi06dance: Aug 22, 2017

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "058526dd2635cb6818386bfd373b82a4"