Well anyway, I find it interesting that Milan is over, and Daria and Freja are completely creaming the competition in terms of show opens. Daria has 10, Freja has 9, which are both ridiculously high numbers considering that Paris remains. No one else even comes close. I think that Daria is sort of representing the more established girls, and Freja is representing this new aesthetic. It will be interesting to see which one wins out in the end.
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On the other hand, I'm not quite sure if models that 'explode' in one seasons, which can be said of for instance Sasha P., will last for a long time. Sometimes such models can disappear as quick as they appear, especially when they have 'unique' features. As earlier said, Sasha is now after two seasons Prada a real 'Prada icon' and as a result of that we'll have to wait and see if she'll get a lot of new ad campaigns FW0607. I have this feeling that being a Prada icon will not be good for her career (especially when we're talking about ads) on long term.
An excert from an article that a member named Milamar posted in the Anna wintour thread....from the NY times
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Sasha, meet Marija. Emina, meet Anna. Anna, meet Hana. Hana, meet Snejana.
If a model wants to be cast for a runway show these days, she had better hail from some place that was once a part of the Soviet Union.
There are plenty of positive things to be said for this development. A lot of extended families are being supported by the wages of young women who until people started putting them into Balenciaga had probably never owned a pair of good jeans.
And unlike many American models, who are considered crybabies in the business, young women from the former Eastern bloc are "willing to stand on one foot for 12 hours if you ask them," said Ivan Bart, a senior vice president at the modeling agency IMG.
The problem is that the wall of dull pretty blondes reflect one positive geopolitical development while ignoring a more important one. How it is that fashion is the last business to have missed the globalization seminar is a mystery. From the faces on the catwalks these days one would hardly know that either Africa or Asia exists.
True, the occasional token Japanese or Korean model is offered as a nod to the future of the marketplace. (There were nearly two full rows of Chinese buyers at Gucci.) But that's all.
"It's a little bit boring, this casting," Carine Roitfeld, the editor in chief of French Vogue, said as the week wound down in Milan and the herd prepared to head for Paris. "We need to have a wider variety of beauty, no?"
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Sasha, meet Marija. Emina, meet Anna. Anna, meet Hana. Hana, meet Snejana.
If a model wants to be cast for a runway show these days, she had better hail from some place that was once a part of the Soviet Union.
There are plenty of positive things to be said for this development. A lot of extended families are being supported by the wages of young women who until people started putting them into Balenciaga had probably never owned a pair of good jeans.
And unlike many American models, who are considered crybabies in the business, young women from the former Eastern bloc are "willing to stand on one foot for 12 hours if you ask them," said Ivan Bart, a senior vice president at the modeling agency IMG.
The problem is that the wall of dull pretty blondes reflect one positive geopolitical development while ignoring a more important one. How it is that fashion is the last business to have missed the globalization seminar is a mystery. From the faces on the catwalks these days one would hardly know that either Africa or Asia exists.
True, the occasional token Japanese or Korean model is offered as a nod to the future of the marketplace. (There were nearly two full rows of Chinese buyers at Gucci.) But that's all.
"It's a little bit boring, this casting," Carine Roitfeld, the editor in chief of French Vogue, said as the week wound down in Milan and the herd prepared to head for Paris. "We need to have a wider variety of beauty, no?"
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This is a great thread and you have posted such intelligent posts. It's really intresting to see what happens in Paris..and specially who gets casted and opens the bigs shows like Chanel etc. I'm Looking forward.
I'm sorry, this might be a little OT but "once a part of the Soviet Union. " & "former Eastern bloc " are somehow very insulting to me. I can't put it into words but remember I was born in -90 ..and the country was Estonia. I understand why it's easy to say so, especially when talking about the countrys where lot of new wave models come from, but from me the words are really negative. I think it gives the impression that all the girls are really poor and peasants and so. Mostly it's not like that, the countries are more wealthier than lets say 10 years ago.
I'm sorry, this might be a little OT but "once a part of the Soviet Union. " & "former Eastern bloc " are somehow very insulting to me. I can't put it into words but remember I was born in -90 ..and the country was Estonia. I understand why it's easy to say so, especially when talking about the countrys where lot of new wave models come from, but from me the words are really negative. I think it gives the impression that all the girls are really poor and peasants and so. Mostly it's not like that, the countries are more wealthier than lets say 10 years ago.
You should write the NY times and tell them what you think about their article. I couldn't agree with you more. ^^^
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It makes us all feel great to see that the editor in chief of French Vogue agrees with our opinions when it comes to the F/W06 show castings.....We must have a good eye when it comes to models.
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It makes us all feel great to see that the editor in chief of French Vogue agrees with our opinions when it comes to the F/W06 show castings.....We must have a good eye when it comes to models.
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model_mom said:
Arrgh, you beat me to the punch
I just read this.I'm glad someone as jaded as Guy Trebay (and Carine whom I love) can take a step back and notice the ridiculous level of tired, boring casting that has been the autumn/hiver 06 season.
When I look at the backstage pics on style.com and all the faces look the same, it makes me want to go watch "Dancing w/the Stars" (hate that show btw)
But I admit, I don't know of many agencies with worthy non-white on their board save IMG (Honorine and Ashley?). This is however inidrectly due to the fact that blondes and other bland baby dolls keep getting casted. If the agents know there's no demand then they'll only pick 1 or 2 non-white models and they're usually hideous (i.e. Jaunel McKenzie, Marie Fuema)
I would say all the Asian girls I've seen so far are gorgeous so it makes sense that they're out there. Perhaps Vogue Paris will have a multi-culti issue soon.
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I don't see any of the Vouge's changing anything that signifigant in the near future, because the power players are hiring all these ugly models (save Snejana, who I think is the only true beauty amongst them). It will take someone like Tom Ford or Karl Lagerfeld using lovely young women to get back to the way fashion modeling was meant to be- not about height (Gia was 5'7) and not about where you were from (Christy Turlington and Cindy Crawford are both All American Girls), but if you are beautiful by more than the fashion industries insiders.
I don't know if I would say that the E. European models are quite as dominant as it would seem. If you take the top working in models in the word, per models.com, you have Daria at #1 (Ukrainian Canadian), Gemma at #2 (Australian), Julia Stegner (German), Isabeli Fontana (Brazilian), Doutzen (Dutch), Mariacarla (Italian), Hana (Czech), Raquel (Brazilian), Lily Donaldson (Britsh), Diana Dondoe (Brazilian), Eugenia (Russian), Sasha (Russian), Elise (Belgian), Caroline T (Brazilian), Freja (Danish), Snejana (russian), Iselin (Norwegian).
Now, you have the 3 russian girls, Eugenia/Snejana/Sasha, Hana is Czech and Daria is of Ukrainian origin, but that's only 4/5 out of 17. I don't think it's exactly domination. Just as many Brazilians, W. European countries, etc. And if you go further down the list, there are more Americans and Canadians. The big omission is modeling these days are black models; I actually saw lots of black models in NY, but hardly any in Milan, which I think is a travesty.
Now, you have the 3 russian girls, Eugenia/Snejana/Sasha, Hana is Czech and Daria is of Ukrainian origin, but that's only 4/5 out of 17. I don't think it's exactly domination. Just as many Brazilians, W. European countries, etc. And if you go further down the list, there are more Americans and Canadians. The big omission is modeling these days are black models; I actually saw lots of black models in NY, but hardly any in Milan, which I think is a travesty.
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Yes, you are right. Also Snejana is Ukrainian, my bad guys. So, not counting Daria but including Diana that makes 5 out of 17 models from E. Europe, which is a significant presence, but I wouldn't exactly call it domination.
I was going off the top 10 models from models.com, so I don't think Valentina would be included on that list considering she is #28.
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Yeah.. a lot of the really established girls in the top 20 have been there for a while.. I think the article is mainly referring to the up and coming girls and how they are really dominated by eastern europeans. (actually come to think of it though, a lot of the girls are also Brazillians.. Camilla, Drielle, Flavia, Fabiana, etc..)
I also think the NYtimes article generalized a lot, I'm pretty sure a lot of the girls came from middle-class families, I'm sure a lot also came from very poor families but its like they just clumped them all together into the poor, destitute-would-be-nowhere-without-modeling group just because they are from eastern europe.
I also think the NYtimes article generalized a lot, I'm pretty sure a lot of the girls came from middle-class families, I'm sure a lot also came from very poor families but its like they just clumped them all together into the poor, destitute-would-be-nowhere-without-modeling group just because they are from eastern europe.
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Hmm Paul Rowland is on a role,first Heidi then Diane(sp) are getting attention for their rough looks. I read you guys talking about how the new girls are replacing the "older" ones. The problem with these new girls is, I don't think they will stick around. Like when Gemma was a new face you kind of knew she would be here season after season,year after year, same with Daria and Elise and so on. I predict most of these,except for few exeptions(Snejana Tanya(maybe) Freja) will be long gone and forgotten pretty soon.
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I'm perfectly aware that there is a difference, but people might have different opinions about who is doing best in the fashion season, and this is a more concrete thing to analyze. If you wanna talk about who is having the best season, then you have even fewer imo. Sasha, Vlada, Snejana, and Natasha are doing well, but Daria and Freja are creaming them. And you have Caroline T, Lily D, Raquel, Behati, Iselin Solange, Gemma, Irina, Julia D, Hilary, etc. who are doing well also, who are not E. European. My only point that I'm trying to make here is that E. European girls are not as dominant as people would like to think. There is plenty of national diversity, even though there is not much racial diversity.
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^ couldn't agree more with you
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One needs to bear in mind that Brazillian models are usually European themselves, with most of their parents and grandparents natives of Europe. Caroline Trentini and Raquel Zimmerman are prime examples of this!
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Yes you are right. When I first found out that Caroline T was Brazilian I was like...HUH??
Hilary Rhoda opened Balenciaga, her first open of the season. I wonder if she will get an only girl campaign. I don't particularly care for her, but I really dislike the 10 or so models all doing one campaign idea.
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yeah I was hoping opening Balenciaga would help her gain the momentum she lost while at Milan.. she only did like 6 shows compared to the 24 or so she did in New York. Most likely Hilary will do Chanel and Ungaro as well.. so thats good. Rochas, Lanvin, Valentino (although I'm not sure because she didn't do their HC) are also likely.
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