More Drama On "The View" Today

[electricladyland]

i dont see how having plan B more readily available has anything to do with morals...but thats just me, i suppose.

no it's definitely not just you. It's me too!

 

[URIAH]

no it's definitely not just you. It's me too!

ITA

someone pointed out that allowing the fda to attempt to place subjective value judgements on medications and their applications is a slippery slope. for example, obesity. "if gluttony is a sin and immoral, should we not restrict those treatment for it...."

they were more eloquent than I, but you can imagine

 

[VainJane]

I think women should choose but if it's so easily accessibile(these types of drugs) more women will probably be more careless knowing they have a plan B.

I agree. I totally think it's a woman's right to chose and I am glad that the MA Pill is more readily available, I also agree that having these types of drugs might make some women a little 'reckless'.

I knew a girl (19 year-old) who didn't take the pill and (I cringe at the thought) supposedly didn't use a condom because she said she'd just take the morning-after pill instead. Seriously, that's all she did! Plan B!

 

[electricladyland]

There are plenty of things we could ban and make less readily available because people tend to be reckless with them leading to a loss of life--including alcohol.

 

[wendla]

She's passionate alright. A passionate idiot.

 

[maghy7]

I think you can be passionate and make your point with out having to yell and get all emotional, the ripping of the cards was the icing on the cake, she looked unprofessional and like a total brat.

what ever *rolls eyes*

 

[Trista]

I'm glad I don't watch The View. Supposedly one of the people who they had in contention for Elizabeth's role is even more conservative (Rachel Duffy-Campos) but it is good that there are multiple perspectives.

It's hard to believe that she was America's Sweetheart once.

 

[BohemianBeauty22]

A life is a life, period. Elisabeth seemed very passionate about the topic for sure....everyone else seemed to think it was ok to have sex esp before marriage (I am no saint either here but I have learned from my mistakes) and then on top of it, have sex and then take a morning after pill just to prevent life when that person or whoever doing the deed should have thought about the consequences before hand and just not have done it. As for r*pe, incest, it is a tough situation there and yes, a shady area.....but life is created for a reason, so when that person grows up it can make a difference in the world. There's always adoption for couples who are married and can't conceive children. God never makes a mistake, esp when life is created.

 

[TheGlassAngel]

^ Nicely said...you get Karma for that.

 

[mundodabolsa]

Can this thread please not turn into an abortion debate? Can it just be about the View and drama, please?

 

[masquerade]

I hate Elizabeth, she doesnt have a mind of her own, she spends every episdoe spitting out propaganda that is fed to her

the fact that people disagree on when a life is formed is the very reason that women should be allowed to follow their own beliefs in regards to their bodies and not let another human being decide for them

 

[splatooey]

I agree. I totally think it's a woman's right to chose and I am glad that the MA Pill is more readily available, I also agree that having these types of drugs might make some women a little 'reckless'.

I knew a girl (19 year-old) who didn't take the pill and (I cringe at the thought) supposedly didn't use a condom because she said she'd just take the morning-after pill instead. Seriously, that's all she did! Plan B!

thats kind of crazy b/c plan B is equivalent to taking 30 birth control pills at once, in fact b/c plan b is so hard to get, doctors recommended taking a whole pack of birth control if you could not get plan b...and it has MAJOR side effects, such as making you bleed HEAVILY and cramping painfully for at least a day. i find it hard to believe that someone would use plan B as a "regular" form of birth control...

 

[URIAH]

thats kind of crazy b/c plan B is equivalent to taking 30 birth control pills at once, in fact b/c plan b is so hard to get, doctors recommended taking a whole pack of birth control if you could not get plan b...and it has MAJOR side effects, such as making you bleed HEAVILY and cramping painfully for at least a day. i find it hard to believe that someone would use plan B as a "regular" form of birth control...

i thought that was true. which makes it seem more like a political football to get people arguing about something where both sides already know their unchanging POV. it's a nice distraction from other more disturbing, but addressable issues, that i come to tFs to avoid.

 

[fouroclock]

I always thought that the youngest casy member was never allowed to talk.

When I was the video, it was like she blew her head off for talking so much. I was in an internet cafe and I was laughing so hard.

 

[ultramarine]

WHOA! THREE guys posted -including me- on a tFS thread which has "The view" on the header !!!! See ... THATS shocking!

PS Feeling lazy ... will head home in 20 mins and dont feel like watching the whole vid. Mwa!

 

[Zen]

I agree. I totally think it's a woman's right to chose and I am glad that the MA Pill is more readily available, I also agree that having these types of drugs might make some women a little 'reckless'.

I knew a girl (19 year-old) who didn't take the pill and (I cringe at the thought) supposedly didn't use a condom because she said she'd just take the morning-after pill instead. Seriously, that's all she did! Plan B!

Oh come on, it was the same stupid argument with birth control pills and condoms....

 

[plasticine20]

I think Elizabeth looked ridiculous and unprofessional. It's great that she's passionate about something, but she should not hog all of the speaking time. She should not cut others off when they are trying to state their views. And she looked really stupid when she ripped up her cards at the end.

I think Barbara Walters does not state her opinion because sometimes there needs to be a mediator, not just fighting back and forth.. Plus, she is a woman that many people know of and respect. She has done news programs for years and years. An opinion by her could be translated as fact by many. Yes, that sounds stupid, but it's true. And I think she realizes that she has a responsibility to the viewer.

 

[Trista]

Well I saw ET tonight and Rosie O' Donnell was on there and she talked about Elizabeth and such...I think it will be interesting when Rosie starts on there.

 

[electricladyland]

Well I saw ET tonight and Rosie O' Donnell was on there and she talked about Elizabeth and such...I think it will be interesting when Rosie starts on there.

Sandra Bernhard is one of my fav gay icons, and Rosie is definitely one of my least fav (I know that sounds like a post for a different thread), but just out of curiosity what did Rosie have to say about Elizabeth?

 

[ChinaLove]

I dislike Elizabeth's style and lack of tact. She employs that really, loud, obnoxious, overly passionate kind of speaking manner that overwhelms everyone else trying to get their opinions across. That's why she comes across as loco. She creates unnecessary tension.

As for her argument against this pill... ridiculous. Typical one-sided overtly moral, overly religious Republican view. Who decided that life begins when the sperm meets the egg? No one knows for sure. Everyone has their own understanding of when a life begins, and each understanding is steeped in moral tenets. The belief that life begins when the sperm and egg meet, to me, sounds like a moral trap - the conception of life begins immediately, life is sacred, destroying this life is immoral. All the gaps and grey areas seem to be cut out completely to remove any possibilty of countering this viewpoint. What women honestly has a chance against this kind of belief?

She obviously hasn't considered the kind of women who would most proably use this pill - poor, young Black, Hispanic single mothers. These women are not wealthy white women with endless resources like Elizabeth. It's just wrong to deny women who are at an economic and social disadvantage the choice to decide.

In short, Elizabeth as well as a lot of other people, rely TOO heavily on moral reasonings. I've yet to hear any coherent, realistic argument from anyone against terminating a 'life' without it turning into a Bible throwing sermon about God intending this, life meaning that, and what have you. Yes, morals are the foundation of society, such and such, but people are compelled to act by more powerful forces in life (economic, social...)