Scott Schuman (The Sartorialist) and Garance Dore

[Harumi]

with the "clean" comment, i think it's just being misinterpreted. in this context it sounds awful, but you wouldnt be surprised if you read the same words if it was, say, the Jil Sander FW09 collection thread. clean could've also been/meant sharp, sleek, impeccable...

Imo if the commenter meant that he would have said: 'He looks neat and sharp', 'his style is clean', something like that.

I think the classism (snobbism, whatever you want to call it)

I think he is both a classist and a snob.

After all, when you patronize someone of your own race vs someone who is not, both are wrong, but you have done two different things. Yes, it will be a great day when Scott can be an equal-opportunity a$$hole, but I don't think we're there just yet

He is and he does. The article is linked to another sart picture criticism where this time he is a patronising and classist fool toward a White man.

I'm sure there are some saints and people who have a different level of awareness who never notice race, but for the rest of us, there's a choice--you either provide a nurturing environment for racist notions, or you make haste to root them out. And sometimes that means giving serious thought to whether there is something wrong where you thought there wasn't.

Indeed, but why do you assume he hasn't done that work as far as race is concerned? Where is the evidence he hasn't?
Would not that be a prejudice too?

Frankly, I see no evidence of race bia in his blog. At the beginning of the blog he would constantly post about a luxury fashion shop manager called Mory. I mean Scott would literally worship the ground this guy walked on, and the guy was Black. No condescension there.
Why? Because Mory had a prestige job and dressed in thousand dollars bespoke suits. Status again.

Also, read his post about an unknown Black family. No 'pride' nonsense there either and the tone is plain admirative. Unsurprisingly because he is obviously commenting on financially secure and socially elevated people.

I know you pride yourself in not reading his blog but I can't see how you can judge him fairly if you don't.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

I do not think his posts have racist undertones, he's just amazingly patronizing of people he deems beneath him, he treats his girlfriend exactly the same way.

 

[fashionista-ta]

I'd like to recommend a book for those who would like to better understand the intersection of race and class in America ... Jill Nelson's memoir Volunteer Slavery. Jill is an upper-middle class black woman, and her observations about how white Americans react to black people who 'outclass' them are quite interesting. Some other quite fascinating insights as well.

The reason I know Scott isn't doing that work is because his comments make it clear that he doesn't have the humility or self-knowledge to do it. And the fact that he didn't challenge the worst of the comments on his entry, but (over)reacted when someone else did. I don't pride myself in not reading his blog ... I have read it (not all that much to read ...), I simply don't read it currently. Along with the vast majority of what's out there ... everyone has to pick and choose, and I choose other things.

 

[Harumi]

^Thank you for your educational recommendation. I actually have studied an extract from her book as an English assignment.

I am fully aware that class and race prejudices often intersect (not just in the USA). I am also aware that many of these prejudices are generational and to some extend geographical.
While her book is still extremely relevant, Jill is a woman who grew up in an America that is in many ways different than the America Scott grew up in. In her America, an Ivy-League educated Black man would not have gathered enough White supporters to be elected President of the USA (for the very reasons discussed in her book). Putting things is their context is always a good idea.

The reason I know Scott isn't doing that work is because his comments make it clear that he doesn't have the humility or self-knowledge to do it.

Being an egomaniac doesn't automatically make you a bigot. You are dismissing all the other instances of him dealing with Black subjects to just summarize his 'racial attitude' to one ambiguous post. Bigotry isn't something that rear its ugly head just once. Ignoring the pieces that don't fit your theory is a bit dubious.
Unless you have intimate knowledge of Scott's socio-educational background, personal history and family, I can't see how you can certain with authority what racial prejudices he was exposed to and/or failed to 'work on'.

And the fact that he didn't challenge the worst of the comments on his entry, but (over)reacted when someone else did

Imo, he did not challenge the other entries because they were not directly attacking him. He's a big egomaniac and got his feeling hurt, plain and simple.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ She was born in 1952, Scott was born in '68, at opposite ends of the Civil Rights movement, 16 years apart. She came of age in the 70s ... the era of 'black is beautiful' and not exactly the dark ages. The people she worked with and describes in her book I very much suspect voted largely the way I imagine she did in this past election. (There really can be no doubt about this ... see the numerous surveys that have been done of journalists.)

As I see it, none of his posts, including the ones you've raised, are inconsistent with 'my theory.' If you'll look again at what I said, I never called him a bigot, and that is not 'my theory.'

I don't need to know anything about Scott's family or specific experiences to know what he's been exposed to. I live in the same society he does.

Wrt not challenging racist comments that weren't directly attacking him ... of course they weren't directly attacking him--he's the white guy writing the blog. My point is that if one is actively rooting out racism, one does challenge racist comments written on one's blog.

 

[Dkammern]

i thought the conversation rather interesting at first, as we were merely commenting on others accusations about scott and his readers being racists, but didn't we get waaaaaay off topic here? i am sure both of your points have their raison d'être, i'm just not sure this is the right place to discuss them. do realize this is still a public thread on scott and garance dating.

 

[marjanthelion]

YES LETS GET BACK TO THIS
teampeterstigter.com

 

[Party_Vixen]

^ Pictures of them together always kill me. But hey Scott finally unrolled the hem on his pants .

 

[sonyagirl]

They are adorable!

They obviously love each other. How they look at each other, how they write about each other. <3

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ They both seem to adore him

 

[LuLover]

That picture has made my day............

 

[marjanthelion]

teampeterstigter.com

 

[marjanthelion]

coquette blog and william yan blog

 

[eternitygoddess]

Two words: Napoleon complex.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

That is an unfortunate pic. Is he wearing a tracksuit jacket? God I loath man wear tracksuit jackets under their coats. How can someone that thinks he's the most stylish men alive could wear that.

 

[fashionista-ta]

OMG, that picture where they both have their pants rolled up with sneakers I wonder how long it took to 'perfect' those crooked rolls ...

 

[chanelnumber5]

^ They both seem to adore him

Oh my

 

[DiamondSea]

Garance's blog is really annoying lately - I preferred it when she posted pictures with minimal commentary.

 

[Harumi]

^I don't read it anymore. I just look at the pretty pictures

^ They both seem to adore him

As hard as I try not to be shallow and immature, I can't help thinking Snow-White and Grumpy whenever they are pictured together.

Well, at least Garance can dress herself, unlike Scott...

 

[mamasarollingsto]

there's a video of them on swide today.