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So ... Your Child is A Model ... Now What? Model Mom Support Thread.

It probably has nothing to do with modeling. She was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
It just so happens her agency wasn't reputable.
 
Her mother agency in Canada has been around over 20 years. Very small time, but not disreputable. Obviously its business contacts were not very good.
 
Many of the contracts set up by the far Eastern countries are guaranteed up front for a set amount of money to the model and also to the agency. Sometimes they offer as much as 15,000 to $20,000 for a 6 week to two month period. This is how many of the models stay afloat while they are waiting for their 'big break'. It's a gamble just like anything else in this industry. I'm not sure what happens if you aren't hired for jobs. There might be a 'trial period' clause in the contract. Ford wanted Ali to do this when she was 16 but we decided against it because we knew nothing about the agency in Japan where she was suppose to be working and we were worried about the safety issues.
 
That's so sad. Did she contact her agency when she wanted to leave? I find it odd that an agency would send a girl there and not know that they were going to ask her to do odd jobs, since other models complained in the past I've read.
 
And even odder is that they closed the agency soon after.
 
Unfortunately bad things happen from time to time, be it in the modeling domain or elsewhere but they are in now way representative.

The media typically focus on unfortunate events but the fact is that there are hundreds of quite young girls who work as model without major problems.
Most of them will never ever become rich from modeling but they're given unique opportunities to work in various places abroad and also meet interesting people. It's a life experience no school can ever teach.
Of course there are some tough days too, things are not perfect but it also helps to gain maturity and independance (well, not always... Hmmmm... but in most cases).

Among the few girls who get into trouble many would have had similar problems even if they weren't models. So it's certainly wrong to consider modeling as especially risky even if it's not a mainstream activity. Most parents and indeed also many aspiring models have no realistic idea about modeling.

Overall it's important to be able to trust the agency because once abroad a girl must mainly rely on the local agency and on her own but, once again, doing some basic homework allows to avoid most scams. Further it's also important to remember that making money should not be the absolutely primary objective as in many cases there's far less money left than expected. The amounts of guarantees may sometimes seem impressive but what counts is what finally ends on the account.

Blunier
 
Unfortunately bad things happen from time to time, be it in the modeling domain or elsewhere but they are in now way representative.


Most of them will never ever become rich from modeling but they're given unique opportunities to work in various places abroad and also meet interesting people.
Blunier

Umm, that depends on what kind of work you do. A commercial girl can make a lot of moola, even if you aren't 'well known'. As for high fashion, you need to have the hype and the status.
 
We should listen to Blunier. Modelling, for most girls, is not as lucrative on an annual basis as people tend to assume. Agencies don't give out information on how much their models make, and people only hear about successful models.

Further it's also important to remember that making money should not be the absolutely primary objective as in many cases there's far less money left than expected. The amounts of guarantees may sometimes seem impressive but what counts is what finally ends on the account.

Of course the agency expects to make money. And they will. But for the model the cost of travel, and the loss of other income and educational opportunities have to be tallied up like any other business.

Now if you can go to Milan or Tokyo with a good agency, and get enough decent jobs to come out a few thousand ahead, or a bit better, you still have to enjoy travelling for it to be worthwhile. And for most girls it ends there, or shortly after.

Local commercial modeling, outside NY and a very few other places, is part-time work that would interfere greatly with most normal careers.

Also, read ModelMom's tale of how elusive the money jobs can be and how much time is spent pursuing them. It is very good of her to explain this in detail.
 
Ali has worked for an agency in Saint Louis Mo. and has had more money in the past year than she made in the 3 years she spent chasing her dream in NY and Paris. She also has a part time job at home. If she gets called for a modeling job her boss gets a sub for her....this doesn't happen with very many jobs and she knows how lucky she is to be able to do this. The agency she works for pays twice a month and on time. It seems to me that if a smaller agency can manage to keep their models happy and working that sometimes thats the best path to take.
 
The path to take has so many forks in it, like you know. You never know if the path you chose - or was chosen for you, is the right one. There are so many times that the girls get their hopes up for a big option.... then nothing. But the next day the phone rings and the hope continues. Making it big is so rare, there are so many hopeful beautiful girls who want their shot at it. I wish in a nutshell they could know going in what we've learned over the course of months & years. Are we too naive getting into the modeling world and having BIG expectations?
 
The Star.com

** (I'm a little put off on the title of this article due to the subject matter it contains)

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TheStar.com | living | Dying to model around the world?
Dying to model around the world?

Why street smarts matter as much as good teeth and sense of style

Jul 18, 2008 04:30 AM

Tracy Nesdoly
Special to the Star

If the heartbreak of America's Next Top Model isn't enough to deter the young, pretty and hopeful, the aspiring Kate Moss should ensure she's equipped with as much street sense as a sense of style.
The murder last week of Canadian model Diana O'Brien in Shanghai has put the need for those in the industry to be careful into sharp relief. The modelling world can offer youths – mostly girls – an opportunity to see the world, make decent money and a crack at fame, fortune and first-name recognition worldwide. Yet it is notorious for its pitfalls, unscrupulous operators and humiliating assignments.
In Shanghai, O'Brien worked for the JH Model Agency, which has since shuttered and disappeared. According to news reports, her friends are now coming forward, saying she was skeptical, wanted to come home and hated her assignments, which included dancing on a podium – not exactly the project runway she had expected.
How is a young model – and they all are young – to know if an agency and its people are legit, or simply smooth operators with big, but empty, promises and an eye for an easy buck?
"I tell every aspiring model who comes to see me to do her homework, to talk to lots of agencies, to talk to other models who work with me and to speak to my clients," says Elmer Olsen, of Elmer Olsen Model Management, who represents supermodel Daria Werbowy. "There is no reason to get scammed if you do the research; the same as you would if you were going to university. Phone the agency's working models, talk to parents about their experiences, talk to the clients. And talk to a lot of agencies before you choose where you should be."
Doing the research is a mantra among legit agencies.
During a survey of the top Toronto firms and discussions with models and their mothers, the rules of the runway emerge:
Rule Number 1: Models look like models. If you don't, and an agency is dying to sign you anyway with big promises that you'll be rich and famous, run.
"There are very stringent physical guidelines for what it takes to be a model. In essence you have to be tall, skinny and beautiful. Unless you are extraordinary, you need to be 5-foot-9 tall, or 5-foot-11, if you're a boy; you must be very slim, you have to have great teeth, good bone structure, lustrous hair, great skin," says Carole Reynolds, a 22-year industry veteran and agency director at Sutherland.
"People who want to be models often want it so badly, and I would say no matter how beautiful, if you're 5-foot-4, it's not going to happen. But if you make enough calls, someone will say yes and you want it so much you go for it and ultimately get ripped off."
Rule Number 2: The agency works for you, you don't work for it. Pay nothing to the agency upfront.
"When we find a girl, we meet with her and her parents and then organize a photo shoot for her with one of the top photographers in the business, so we can see how the camera sees her," says Olsen.
The cost for a test shoot is usually around $400, and is split between the photographer, wardrobe stylist and makeup stylist. The images tell the only story that needs to be told – whether the camera loves you.
"You pay the photographer; it's a startup cost. If an agency wants you to write a cheque, it is a sure sign of a scam," says Matti Gidilevich, an agent at Elite Model Management.
Dan Grant, publisher of a website called modelresource.ca, says before signing on the dotted line a model should ask whether she will be required to do free shows to promote the agency itself.
"That's usually a bad sign," says Grant. "Legitimate agencies should allow a disaffected model to sever a bad relationship in writing, without any waiting period before she can go elsewhere."
Rule Number 3: A good agency wants you to do your homework and will provide you with other models and their parents to talk to, as well as a list of their clients.
Modelling scouts may well approach you at the Gap – Erika Jaluvka's gorgeous 15-year old daughter Tatjana was first approached two years ago while shopping at the Eaton Centre. Scouts scour malls that attract teenagers and that's okay, but a good agency won't press you to sign or to be exclusive with them until you've done the legwork.
Jaluvka says Tatjana's first agency, which she won't name, wanted to sign her daughter immediately and wouldn't let her to speak first to anyone else or any model on their roster – or even carpool to shoots from her homein Niagara Falls.
"We learned the hard way how the industry works," says Jaluvka. "We paid money up front, we paid way too much, and we paid for empty promises."
Rule Number 4: It's a business, not a self-help group. And it can take years to go from a first meeting to first assignment. Whether the result is a big career in the glossies or simply a few fun attempts to make it, Jaluvka says the discipline of the modelling world teaches good skills.
"Modelling teaches you to ask questions, do your homework, learn that you need to eat well, get your sleep, show up on time and be polite. All these are important lessons to learn to do well in any job ," she says.
Reynolds agrees. "We can believe in a girl and promote a girl and recommend a girl, but in the end, when she walks through that door, it's all up to her."
 
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Good article which could be applied to many different professions. Being so young when starting a career is what sets modeling apart. Yes we do need to ask questions, be informed and not be too hasty in making a decision on what agency to go with. If the girl has what it takes, then she should make a choice that her and her family feels comfortable with and you feel you can trust. I think any girl who wants to get into modeling should read this thread from the beginning as well as the http://www.thefashionspot.com/forum...ore-posting-you-must-read-post-1-a-63898.html thread. There is so much info. here that is honest and spoken from those who have experience.
 
after reading some stories here and also ali's journal, am rather wary of the industry. I have an 8 yr old niece that looks like a model and is about the height of a 13yr old but i wouldnt recommend modelling unless she's over 18. The major players in the industry dont see the age of the models they only look out for dollar bills!
 
after reading some stories here and also ali's journal, am rather wary of the industry. I have an 8 yr old niece that looks like a model and is about the height of a 13yr old but i wouldnt recommend modelling unless she's over 18. The major players in the industry dont see the age of the models they only look out for dollar bills!
That's a wrong approach. Most parents and indeed also many if not most aspiring models have no idea about real life modeling. Unfortunately bad things happen but those stories brought up by the media are in no way representative.

If your niece really has a lot of potential she can give it a try around 14-15 and agencies will tell her when she can really start. At 8 years it's impossible to make predictions, face and body can change a lot and parents are usually unable to assess a girl's true potential.
Waiting until 18 would be a waste of time as for a fashion model each year counts.

Blunier
 
May I make a prediction here.... I think the partys over for the young young girls...if I'm wrong I'll eat my hat.:magic:
 
May I make a prediction here.... I think the partys over for the young young girls...if I'm wrong I'll eat my hat.:magic:

I bet you're right ;) The trend seems to be girls in their early/mid twenties nowadays!
 
Hi guys,
Just thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Michelle and I am a mother of a model. Looking forward to getting to know some of you soon.
Cheers
 
Welcome... I just want you to know that being a mom of a model is like walking a tightrope...on one side all all of the wonderful things that are open to her now that she is modeling....the money, the travel,and the fame....but on the other side you have to remember that your are talking about your own child and all that you are putting her up against .....the pressure of being successful, the rejection by some clients,and the sadness of being away form their family and friends. It's a really hard job to decide what best for her even when she is saying "I want it ALL"! and you just do the best you can....Let us know if we can help you in any way.:flower:
 
This is a smart, together, stunning girl who really has a plan. This entry is her essay for her application to Columbia U (she was accepted). She accurately describes how she has to conceal her stress and emotions from her mother back home. At 18 she deals with the situation described in the first paragraph, and thrives in modelling.

from Otilia's blog.

Tokyo 2005. I go to meet the head of my agency, and enter his office. He yells “3 cm!” My hips are 3cm off “perfection”. Everybody starts talking quickly in a language I didn’t understand. But their reactions, their facial features revealed the disappointment, the distress. I’m shown the contract: I could not – under any circumstances – diverge from “standard”. I’m told I have a few days to correct the situation. Else, I’d be responsible for all expenses and the contract would be void. A thousand thoughts rush through my mind; I feel overwhelmed. Alone, thousands of miles away from all I know, the only people supposed to care for me are disappointed, almost angry. I feel hopeless and start crying. I pick up the phone … but had nobody to call. My agent would be upset at me; my friends would not understand; my mom would suffer and get scared. They were all so happy for me, they had confidence in me. And I disappointed them all! I feel like running away. What should I do?

As unlikely as it seemed back then, the decision I was about to make would lead me to be where I am today.

I was born on a December night in 1987 in a small, bohemian town in Northern Romania, a place where time seems to have stopped. In this most traditional society, my family’s position has been shaped by my father’s achievements: a PhD in Engineering, the title of “elite inventor”, published author, and founder of the first local newspaper. This placed my family high up on a societal hierarchy unwritten by anyone but followed by everybody. It was imperative that my brother and I maintain, or even surpass, the educational level of our father. Perhaps this explains why I received books and not dolls as birthday presents. That environment shaped my values and aspirations: family, education and the quest to discover (and conquer) the world.
When I was 16, my parents let me take a few weeks off from school to go to New York and represent Romania in the Ford Supermodel of the World Contest, the most prestigious international modeling competition. I placed 1st runner up, and my life would soon change radically.
Away from my little room, full of books and porcelain dolls, I found myself in expensive hotels, wearing high heels and long dresses, surrounded by people whose primary concern was the color of my hair. Everything seemed from a Universe so distant just a few weeks before. It was very exciting, but unknowingly, I embarked on a difficult road for a 16 year old. Soon, I realized I lost my independence: I was told where to stay, what to wear, and even what to eat. And the roller coaster began: too many people “interested” in me, the loneliness of the hotel rooms; the pressure of expectations, the fear of failure; the unforeseen circumstances, the weight of decisions I had to make all by myself; adapting to new cultures, the yearning for everything I left behind.

I didn’t feel I changed. So why were old friends retreating from my life? Slowly, I realized I didn’t belong anywhere anymore; I didn’t know where “home” was. I had to retrench, to redevelop my own life style and my new me. What initially started as an adventure became a long process of discovering myself and the world, a world which suddenly became much smaller, and a lot more familiar.
The learning and adaptation curves were steep and stressful. Additionally, my already grueling travel schedule had to accommodate my high schools exams. But I kept a promise: I graduated 5th in my class, and entered – also 5th – the most prestigious liberal arts university in Romania. This marked the end of two challenging, deeply formative years. Afterwards I began to grow more secure in my new life and in my new world. And I began to find my place in it. My career had driven me before; now I was beginning to gain control of it. The months spent alone in the big fashion capitals of the world; the multitude of new, captivating people I met; the diverse cultures to which I had to adapt; the realization I had suddenly stopped being seen as a child; the decisions I took that impacted many people in different corners of the globe; all these led to a premature and forced maturation. I was pleased to become mature sooner, although I had the regret of skipping one of the most beautiful parts of life, adolescence, along with all its innocence and emotions.

I experienced a lot during these years. But fundamentally, what impacted me most? It was the day I first landed on JFK, the day I was told “I love you”, the day I held my newly born cousin, the day I signed a contract that condemned me to loneliness, the day I had to walk away from love to pursue my career, the day I turned 18 and flew halfway around the World to keep a promise to my old friends, the day I managed to escape Tokyo in search of happiness and emotions, the day Keith Richard sang for us "This place is empty without you", the day I learned happiness can make you cry. It is a combination of experiences many have at my age, along with things most experience later in life. A similar mix, perhaps more complex, is reflected in the person I became over the years. Every person I met, every culture I experienced, every place I visited, the all left their mark, and shaped me into who I am today: a true citizen of the World, a mosaic of colorful influences. This explains why New York is my new home. The energy, the culture, the diversity, the flux of people and ideas give me a feeling of belonging. More importantly, I see myself reflected in New York, and I see New York reflected in me.

Besides shaping me into a quintessential New Yorker, my modeling career also helped me discover what I would like to do next: pursue an education towards a degree in marketing. For four years I was a small part of a very intricate machine, that of manufacturing and selling an image, a dream, an illusion. No matter what one’s opinion of the ever-growing role of marketing is, it is certainly fundamental part of any modern economy: it is shaping consumer’s behavior and helps companies compete. While I developed a comprehensive insider’s view of how the art of marketing works, I would like to complement that with a more formal understanding of the many intricacies of the science of marketing. I see my continuing my education at Columbia University as the natural next step for me. It is time I focus exclusively on my education, and studying in Romania would not allow me to pursue the full breadth of my goals. I am already experiencing the benefits of the U.S. teaching style and more diverse student body through non-degree classes I am taking at CUNY. Therefore, I am confident Columbia University’s General Studies program to be ideal in helping me further my education: the rigor and flexibility of the curriculum, the rich student body, the reputation, and – of course – New York. Columbia’s educational reputation is well known, but I also had the chance to meet many of its alumni, and realized how much I would benefit from being part of the Columbia family. Moreover, the flexible nature of the General Studies program is very well-suited for me, as it would allow me to gradually de-emphasize modeling.
 

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