Who Will Succeed John Galliano At Dior? #2 *Update Raf Simons Offically Hired*

[cygnenoir]

I am sooooo glad I'm not the only one who saw that on Fashion Police and was like wha-a-a-at?! I immediately grabbed my phone and started Googling. (Yeah, I sometimes watch that show, Joan Rivers makes me laugh.)

I agree, Zann, George said that Tisci was at Dior so casually that it seemed like, ho hum, such old news. Kelly Osbourne looked a little confused though.

I wonder how early that show was filmed? Does George know the scoop or was he just repeating what he had heard and not really thinking about it? I wonder if he'll get in trouble for that. I mean, I can't imagine that show is where you want to first announce such a thing!

 

[before]

All of this Tisci for Dior speculation is based upon Derek Blasberg's tweet. Blasberg may know a thing or two about networking, but I'm not sure if his word is as infallible as some news outlets presume it to be.

 

[Mathewthew]

^ where does it say it's official though, i mean i won't consider anything 'official' till lvmh comes out and announces it

C'est officiel means It's official...
For myself I'm still waiting lvmh announcement..I just repeat the headline from the article

 

[mistress_f]

^ yes i know what it means - even blasberg tweeted that its 'official' but since there hasnt been a single word from lvmh I don't understand where people/sites are getting this from

 

[Ives927]

It's ridiculous how many people on twitter are saying Riccardo is confirmed with no facts to back it up, but just based on Derek's tweet. I'm sure George's unaccurate statement is based solely on that and he wanted to be one of the first to announce such news. He obliviously did not do his research and let the social media get the better of him.

People need to stop making such claims. Even if everything points to Riccardo taking helm at Dior, we need to wait for the official announcement before spreading any words regarding the official appointment.
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[agee]

I think that they are saying that it is official because according to reports, papers were signed. There are probably enough people involved in the process that someone could have blabbed the info even though Dior is not ready to officially announce it. The season just ended a few days ago, so they may be waiting for things to settle down from that and also one of the earlier reports stated that Galliano was fighting his dismissal and if that is the case, Dior may not be able to announce their "marriage" to Tisci because they aren't "divorce" from Galliano. The Tisci thing was expected, but if the Roitfeld part turns out to be true, then that will really be .

so has it been made official^? I was watching fashion police last night (don't you dare judge me.. it was on TV when I sat down on the couch!) and George Kotsiopoulos, one of the hosts, casually dropped that Tisci was confirmed for Dior like it was no big deal. I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Yeah because you did not change the channel after watching The Kardashians.

 

[Street_a_Licious]

i honestly wouldn't mind Carine doing Dior... don't forget, she also styled Tom Ford's Gucci!

 

[agee]

^ Is that an endorsement? How will that play out, Mariacarla opens the first Tisci for Dior show in a black feather concoction on top paired with a bikini bottom and swings around a stripper pole at the end of the runway.

P.S. Now that I've actually typed that out, that may be preferable to the typical uglified and dour Givenchy RTW show.

 

[mackos]

^Not that we haven't been pretty close to this before

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Personally, I'm giving them a chance, if it's true. It can't get much worse than few last season at Dior.

 

[taz]

I just can't see Ricardo at Dior, the don't match at all.

only if he changes his ugly shirt,,,
well, for the final,,,
at least.

 

[Squizree]

Personally, I'm giving them a chance, if it's true. It can't get much worse than few last season at Dior.

Exactly. From the already established list of designers, if Tisci can't fix Dior, who can? He has a really good shot at this. With that being said, however, Tisci is known for being rather...cautious with his collections. He's really mathematical with the pieces he constructs and sometimes he even tends to overthink his collections. In a way this works for Givenchy. But when it comes to Dior, you need a bit of craziness and spontaneity. I think this will be Tisci's biggest obstacle: overcoming his overthinking.

Meanwhile, I was still kinda rooting for Julien Macdonald Don't hate.

 

[agee]

Is Dior really broken and if so, how?

^Not that we haven't been pretty close to this before

Personally, I'm giving them a chance, if it's true. It can't get much worse than few last season at Dior.

Yeah but that is not Tisci, can Tisci-Roitfeld recreate Galliano's dragalicious magic. Seriously though I don't expect Tisci to incorporate those elements of Galliano's shtick, or even do Galliano at all, I just think that he will have to branch out from being one-dimensionally dark and ugly.

 

[Street_a_Licious]

Tisci will definitely have to work with more colors.

 

[kingchic]

It's not about re-creating Gallianos vision; its about taking the roots of Dior, what Galliano has done, and fusing Riccardo's sensibilities + Carines styling/eye, and seeing what happens.

 

[cul8tr]

Personally, I'm giving them a chance, if it's true. It can't get much worse than few last season at Dior.

I agree. I will miss him at Givenchy but I guess he's the only one, who can do Dior right now. He's got an experience with couture. He know how to make more theatrical shows too (he did few for Givenchy). And plus Carine is full of ideas too. She knows exactly how to build an excitement about the brand. She did it with Mario during Tom Ford era at Gucci and YSL. She will push Ricardo to other direction. IMO, doing Dior for them shouldn't be a big problem.

 

[Kimkhuu]

I saw it from internet, it's offically that Riccardo Tiscci and Carine Roitfeld are working on Dior together and Haider is working on Givenchy. it's from a frecnh website, so probably it's ture

That's cool. If it's true, it will actually make Dior interesting. Love Ric, love Carine!

 

[mikeijames]

until it's posted on dior.com, it's just hearsay and rumors. interesting gossip though.

 

[eugenius]

I can't see Tisci leaving Givenchy anytime soon. In my opinion, Givenchy never really had a strong, singularly identifiable style, not under Msr. Givenchy himself, nor under his successors. Beautiful clothes, yes, but nothing that truly definied the house look. And that's where Tisci succeeds: being able to go in, start from scratch, and develop an aesthetic that defines who the new Givenchy woman is from the ground up, and also, really bring a fresh new look to couture. And now that he's done that, he's being re-assigned to Dior? That, I don't buy.

And as far as Haider is concerned, hasn't he already proclaimed he'd rather continue building his own brand instead of somebody else's?

 

[agee]

IMO, unless the Dior job goes to Marc Jacobs or Jean-Paul Gaultier, not giving it to Tisci is the equivalent of passing him over for promotion.


ETA:
^ I kinda agree that Hubert de Givenchy did not have a singularly identifiable style, but I think that that applies to other long-term designers from his era like Valentino (yeah, Garavani is several years younger). These men basically dressed certain women and evolved their style with the women they dressed. I think that the style (vision) thing is a creation of design schools and fashion critics, which there is nothing wrong with, but I think that it is more relevant for today's fashion designers than the ones who started their maisons in the years following the second world war.

 

[dior_couture1245]

I can't see Tisci leaving Givenchy anytime soon. In my opinion, Givenchy never really had a strong, singularly identifiable style, not under Msr. Givenchy himself, nor under his successors. Beautiful clothes, yes, but nothing that truly definied the house look. And that's where Tisci succeeds: being able to go in, start from scratch, and develop an aesthetic that defines who the new Givenchy woman is from the ground up, and also, really bring a fresh new look to couture. And now that he's done that, he's being re-assigned to Dior? That, I don't buy.

And as far as Haider is concerned, hasn't he already proclaimed he'd rather continue building his own brand instead of somebody else's?

I agree completely. This is where I am stuck...the part of me that still doesn't believe this can't get past this point.

At this point, like I've mentioned before, Givenchy is Riccardo Tisci. Hubert and Audrey are irrelevant. You subtract Riccardo from the equation and all I see is Givenchy failing. The house has no real identity aside from Tisci. Additionally, because of this, Tisci is inextricably tied to Givenchy. You move him (and his posse) somewhere else, and you will always have the name Givenchy attached as a side note.

I don't see why potentially moving Riccardo to Dior, then setting up Ackermann at Givenchy makes any sense. Why not just put Ackermann in the head position at Dior? I feel like his aesthetic makes more sense for Dior, anyway.

This whole rumor is terribly frustrating because the principle of separating Tisci from Givenchy is so irrational. I'm certainly not against change...in fact, I've been dying for some major shake ups in the industry, but this is not a smart, let alone, exciting change...it's just aggravating (if its true).