Why do you like/hate Dior?

[ShesElectric]

The thing about Galliano is that he never seems to get (at least imo) the perfect feel. The perfect touch of simplicity and complexity that makes ie, Lagerfeld so great. It's always too this or too that and that's why I don't admire him. I mean, I would love to be front row for one of his shows but not because I plan on picking out my dream item or what I'd like to purchase next, but just to watch. The models are walking works of art (at most of the shows at least) on that runway. I think it's great for entertainment purposes but otherwise, he isn't doing his job as a fashion designer. He should be catering to as wide an array of consumers as possible for the benefit of Dior. Personally, I don't believe catering to stage dragqueens is benefitting the company. I mean, Dior is on its way to becoming the next Versace - that is, if it is not already there.


J'adore Dior, clearly this thread is about discussing (or politely debating, if you must) what is wrong or right about Dior. I don't understand how you can enter the thread, read a few replies, and then rant at anyone who doesn't share your opinion. Not that I can comprehend half of what you're trying to state, but the hostility is annoying.

 

[j´adore dior]

The thing about Galliano is that he never seems to get (at least imo) the perfect feel. The perfect touch of simplicity and complexity that makes ie, Lagerfeld so great. It's always too this or too that and that's why I don't admire him. I mean, I would love to be front row for one of his shows but not because I plan on picking out my dream item or what I'd like to purchase next, but just to watch. The models are walking works of art (at most of the shows at least) on that runway. I think it's great for entertainment purposes but otherwise, he isn't doing his job as a fashion designer. He should be catering to as wide an array of consumers as possible for the benefit of Dior. Personally, I don't believe catering to stage dragqueens is benefitting the company. I mean, Dior is on its way to becoming the next Versace - that is, if it is not already there.


J'adore Dior, clearly this thread is about discussing (or politely debating, if you must) what is wrong or right about Dior. I don't understand how you can enter the thread, read a few replies, and then rant at anyone who doesn't share your opinion. Not that I can comprehend half of what you're trying to state, but the hostility is annoying.

first of all and as you said this and all of the threads here are intended to debate or discuss themes politely wich was the first rule drCaroline broke, (i invite you to read her previous post), i did not entered the thread, read a few replies and started ranting at someone that wasn´t sharing my opinion, i read all of her post and realised that she was being unpolite enaugh to take the time to tell her so (she´s new and probably haven´t read the guide lines)
i think that you thinking Galliano is only catering to dragqueens says little about your perception and knowledge about the Dior bussines.

ps: hostility might be annoying but ignorance is worst.

 

[ShesElectric]

And how, may I ask, am I ignorant?

 

[justinleaddict]

He should be catering to as wide an array of consumers as possible for the benefit of Dior. Personally, I don't believe catering to stage dragqueens is benefitting the company. I mean, Dior is on its way to becoming the next Versace - that is, if it is not already there.

I knew she had started something

Wide array of customers? That is all he does. Every collection is completely different.

It seems like dior-haters either hate his ready to wear for being so unlike his haute couture, or his haute couture for being so unwearable.

Most of you are talking about how UNwearable it is right now, so, I went and easily found very wearable pieces from recent collections. These models look nothing like dragqueens by the way B)

OH! and also, they dont put most of the runway clothes in the stores anyway..they usually make them more wearable.

vogue.co.uk

 

[j´adore dior]

And how, may I ask, am I ignorant?

you don´t seem to understand Dior´s presentation strategies and the way they have builted a successful bussines, but Justinleaddict have already explained it to you.

 

[ShesElectric]

Not 100% sure if you guys had skipped over this but I also said

"The thing about Galliano is that he never seems to get (at least imo) the perfect feel. The perfect touch of simplicity and complexity that makes ie, Lagerfeld so great. It's always too this or too that and that's why I don't admire him. "

There is nothing I find brilliant about any of those photos. Hence, my stating it's either too little or too much for my taste. I am not a "dior-hater" in anyway. Hate is a very strong word. Too strong for what I feel for "Galliano"... not "Dior". I dislike what he's done. Period.

you don´t seem to understand Dior´s presentation strategies and the way they have builted a successful bussines

Well, if you would like to disagree and claim that he has built a "successful" business then please, help me understand what I am misunderstanding. What is it that I misunderstand about his presentation strategies? Perhaps you can change my mind.

 

[justinleaddict]

dior-hater[/I]" in anyway. Hate is a very strong word. Too strong for what I feel for "Galliano"... not "Dior". I dislike what he's done. Period

Right, I understood about what you said about it being either too little or too much. That is sort of just your taste, and why I didnt disagree with you there. I was just showing those because some people seem to think he cant make wearable clothes. Sorry I was sort of generalizing a little.. i try not to.

 

[justinleaddict]

Well, if you would like to disagree and claim that he has built a "successful" business then please, help me understand what I am misunderstanding. What is it that I misunderstand about his presentation strategies? Perhaps you can change my mind.

What I believe he meant was that the shows are simply shows... You probably wont actually find those actual clothes in the store, they are sort of just to get us excited about the collection, thats all.

 

[Doctor Caroline]

you don´t seem to understand Dior´s presentation strategies and the way they have builted a successful bussines, but Justinleaddict have already explained it to you.

Well Mr J'adore im sorry that some of us dont worship Galliano the way u do. Let me "present my strategies" to u.

I do not hate Dior or Galliano, hes artistic which is cool, but I just dont like it how he puts unrealistic and really odd clothes on the runway that cant be worn.

 

[justinleaddict]

I'm sorry but it is really hard to have a discussion with you Caroline lol.. I'm surprised the moderators havent sent you a PM yet.

 

[Arturo21]

Forgive me, but isnt Galliano British? Or did he become a French citizen? (reasonable since he does reside in Paris)

and something I just have to ask, however rude it is.....It's obvious that he spends hours in front of the mirror fixing himself up, but doesn't he understand, doesn't he see that he simply just doesn't look good at all, an d actually looks way better without what he wears. I just don't understand how people try to beautify themselves and become so ugly...

Again, I know it's rather offensive, but I just really have to know...

 

[justinleaddict]

ok I just checked and, yes, the other like/hate threads are this childish.

 

[Baizilla]

Please stay on topic.. and refrain from making this personal.

 

[j´adore dior]

What I believe he meant was that the shows are simply shows... You probably wont actually find those actual clothes in the store, they are sort of just to get us excited about the collection, thats all.

exactly, as justinleaddict said, he´s presentation are marketing strategies, they present the upcoming trends in the most outrageous possible way, because they get media attention and he and his team are creative, cultured and talented enaugh to make the fashion crow and journalist from all over the world to keep on coming for more (strategy that didn´t worked for torrente or balmain) but during the creation of the haute couture collection, while Mr Galliano works on the toiles and the final prototypes, ilustrators sketch diluted designs and ideas from the outrageous piece, that later are separated from the most basic, to the most elavorated and re designed into ready to wear, when he creates purple coats with exagerated shoulders that fall of the body in Poiret inspired silhouettes, he´s not thinking about selling it to the Dior woman (in fact before the runway shows take place half the collection are already sold), those pieces will later translate into perfeclty fitted leopard (an example) printed jacketts that one can wear in multiple ocations, see, thats the way Dior makes its bussines.

 

[j´adore dior]

Well Mr J'adore im sorry that some of us dont worship Galliano the way u do. Let me "present my strategies" to u.

I do not hate Dior or Galliano, hes artistic which is cool, but I just dont like it how he puts unrealistic and really odd clothes on the runway that cant be worn.

John Galliano was born in Gribraltar, he is Anglo Spanish.

i´m not going to keep on arguing with you.

 

[j´adore dior]

i had Baizilla, and i wasn´t saying anything that wasn´t true, and since you are editing on quotes you find disrespectful, you shout edit caroline´s homophobic one, that´s at least disrespectful to me.

 

[justinleaddict]

Indeed.. I can't believe nobody said anything about her comment besides correcting his country of origin....

 

[stilettogirl84]

[if] you are editing on quotes you find disrespectful, you should edit caroline´s homophobic one, that´s at least disrespectful to me.

yes- saying that he is a good designer "despite" his homosexuality is a very bigoted, rude, and offensive thing to say - a designer's sexuality is entirely irrelevant to the discussion of his or her talent

and if you dislike homosexuals, i reccomend you distance yourself from the fashion community, as they form a large part of any artistic field...

 

[Doctor Caroline]

HAHAHAHAHAHA ok ok ok Ive had enough laughs out of this thread now so Ill calm down now. J'adore boy whatever ure name is I seriously didnt know that was his race, one of the people earlier said he was French so I just went with it. And addict girl (forgot your name) they probably love me too much lol.

 

[As You Like It]

I'd have to say I love pre-1970s Dior. When Chrstian Dior was still alive and designing, and when Yves St. Laurent was designing for Dior, it was awesome. Current Dior leaves me cold. It used to be such an iconic house, but now...it's pretty much like just about everything else out there and not, to my eyes, at all distinctive.